98. Araban vs. Magicwand

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Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

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[go]$$Bcm71 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O . . X O . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . 6 . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


i dont know what the final destination is like.. but let's go and find out..
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Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

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Magicwand wrote:I dont know what the final destination is like.. but let's go and find out...


According to my reading, it is usually one of the marked stones:

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . X . W . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X . W . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O . . X O . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . O . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

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This... is quite complex. I cannot read it to the end, but I think both sides are in danger.
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Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

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Violence wrote:
This... is quite complex. I cannot read it to the end, but I think both sides are in danger.


You could have said that much at the first move. :lol:
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Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

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Magicwand: I got a flu yesterday and it's been getting worse today, so is it okay if we pause for a few days until I get better? I find it difficult to convey my thoughts in writing in my current condition.
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Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

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Araban wrote:Magicwand: I got a flu yesterday and it's been getting worse today, so is it okay if we pause for a few days until I get better? I find it difficult to convey my thoughts in writing in my current condition.


no prob.
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Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

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@Araban & observers:

I am a little late, but...
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[go]$$Bc Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , . . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

... is the :b1: :w2: exchange worth the loss? Sure, if white captures he's super-thick, but is black's sente not worth more than white's thickness?
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Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

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for obs:
i like to draw some prediction below board position is so complicated i can not even predict his next move.
but one thing i am sure about is that he is in deeper hole than me.
since he cut my stone in akward empty triangle, there is no way he sacrifice that stones.
but i dont see any way he will save his group. (i dont see any definit way to capture his group either)

worst i will come out of this fight is losing my few stone and get sente plus plenty of influence.
probably better to sacrifice his group than take that road.
either way i think he will lose..


i am thinking :b1: is must for black..
then i will just atari and come out.
he might get life with penuki but...that is no different than killing your group.
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . 6 . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O . 2 X O 1 . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X 4 O X X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . O . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 O X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

or i can atari before connecting at :w4: which he will fight ko..
but i have more ko threats...so i am not sure if he can ko....
i will think more after he makes his move..
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Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

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This game has it all - even a perfectly timed cliffhanger :-)

(Get better, Araban, soon!)
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Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

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araban: i hope you feel better.. i think i contracted flu from you also ;)
for obs:
i studied this board position for a while. below is the oneway street for both black and white.
(black can not ko so he has to back down)
black doesnt look good.
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[go]$$Bcm77 :b81: = :wc:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 6 4 3 . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O . 2 X W 1 . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . O . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


or this.
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[go]$$Bcm77
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X . O . . . . . . 0 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . 5 . 7 . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 6 4 3 9 8 . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O . 2 X W 1 . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . O . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

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Thanks for the well-wishes guys, I've healed up since yesterday but now, as a consequence of missing classes, I have to catch up on my schoolwork and will be imprisoned in the library for a while to do so. I'll make my move either late tonight or tomorrow morning, sorry for the inconvenience everybody.
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm71 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O . . X O . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . O . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I must confess, that when I played my last move I didn't consider :w6: in the slightest. I think I cared a bit too much for what was once two stones; I know time and time again top pros and amateurs who have critiqued my play have said numerous times that a problem I had was being too greedy, and I feel like the last 10 moves reflected that.

Nonetheless I'll have to make best with what I've got. It is unreasonable for me to try and kill the three White stones as my four stones are in more danger than his three (they have an emergency parachute on the first line). I'm not necessarily going to try and save the four stones, but simply to alleviate the situation here (ideally, in sente) as best as I can.
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . f . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . 1 O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O . c X O . e . a O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . O . X O b X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . d O X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Ok, :b1: does set up a snapback at 'a', but 'b' is sente to kill the corner, so white seems to have enough liberties that he need not worry about it.
This leaves white with more good moves than he needs. After the natural :w2:, 'c' is a successful ladder, 'd' connects underneath, 'e' splits, and 'f' encircles everything.

I think that Sol is in too deep to back out now, and I predict that this game is over within 20 moves.
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i will think about my next move for a while.
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[go]$$Bcm71 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O . . X O . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . O . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


i am trying to find a play that is safest.
i could play stronger but there is no guarantee that will work.
i dont have anything against him making life as long as i get sente and enough influence out of it.
this is my style of play.
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