49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)

Violence · Post by **Violence** » Tue Jun 22, 2010 5:43 pm

Actually, my plans for tonight got canceled, so I can keep going.

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KGS 4 kyu · Post by **fwiffo** » Tue Jun 22, 2010 6:21 pm

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Tue Jun 22, 2010 7:02 pm

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Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Tue Jun 22, 2010 10:17 pm

In this post quoted below, Shapenaji asks a question of Magicwand. He puts it inside 'hide' tags. However, he neglects to type something like "@Magicwand:".

shapenaji wrote:
Magicwand wrote:
i am pissed at myself for letting him control my emotion.
i wanted to show him that i can beat him with my playing territory game and same time let my group live easily.
my plan backfired. i am pissed at the idea of weaker player beating me on even game.
i wanted to make something happen in his territory and it is not going too well.
last 10 moves do not have any "EDUCATIONAL VALUE" other than my struggle to get back in the game.
that is why you dont see me talk about it.

As an outside observer, you seem very confident that you should win. You should know, Violence isn't that much weaker than you (on KGS he's usually 2-3d, and the middle-game is when he is strongest. He's pulled off many wins against people who are rated stronger. Underestimating your opponent is one of the most dangerous things you can do. Assuming that you "deserve" a win is the quickest way to put yourself on tilt.

I think the best way to calm your nerves is to recognize that he's decent, and remove your ego from the equation, it will become much easier to play your kind of game again.

EDIT: that being said, I think you SHOULD talk about how you pick moves to try to get back into the game, weaker players would benefit from that

Nonetheless, Magicwand replies to it with this post:

Magicwand wrote:
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if he block be from top i thik he will have some problem. let me see how he answer this move.
he is playing the game very sloppy. leaving toomuch aji and giving me chance to comeback.

shapenaji wrote:
Magicwand wrote:
i am pissed at myself for letting him control my emotion.
i wanted to show him that i can beat him with my playing territory game and same time let my group live easily.
my plan backfired. i am pissed at the idea of weaker player beating me on even game.
i wanted to make something happen in his territory and it is not going too well.
last 10 moves do not have any "EDUCATIONAL VALUE" other than my struggle to get back in the game.
that is why you dont see me talk about it.

As an outside observer, you seem very confident that you should win. You should know, Violence isn't that much weaker than you (on KGS he's usually 2-3d, and the middle-game is when he is strongest. He's pulled off many wins against people who are rated stronger. Underestimating your opponent is one of the most dangerous things you can do. Assuming that you "deserve" a win is the quickest way to put yourself on tilt.

I think the best way to calm your nerves is to recognize that he's decent, and remove your ego from the equation, it will become much easier to play your kind of game again.

EDIT: that being said, I think you SHOULD talk about how you pick moves to try to get back into the game, weaker players would benefit from that

thank you for your kind advice..
2-3 dan in kgs is definitely weaker than i am. i usually dont lose to 3D in KGS so i shouldnt lose to him on even game. not only that..i can see from his comment that he is weaker.
it is the grudge i got from the comment he put on kirby-magicwand game that rattled my emotion.
i was waiting for this match and wanted to show him that he is not of equal strength.
it is more than overconfidence...i wanted to show him that i can beat him whatever way he choose to play.
well...i guess not

So, how does this happen? Am I missing something here? Are the 'hide' tags not working?

schilds · Post by **schilds** » Tue Jun 22, 2010 10:24 pm

You're missing that it was a conversation started by shapenaji with magicwand and that it's not unnatural to assume that if you're being visibly quoted by the person you're conversing with and they don't explicitly say their posts are no longer for you to read, they're probably talking to you ...

Beginning of that particular discussion:

shapenaji wrote:to Magicwand:

I understand not writing thoughts when the sequences have already been discussed, but you've played some real humdingers in the past 10-15 moves, it would be nice to see some of your thoughts...

Violence · Post by **Violence** » Tue Jun 22, 2010 11:17 pm

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Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Wed Jun 23, 2010 1:36 am

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Violence · Post by **Violence** » Wed Jun 23, 2010 1:44 am

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tj86430 · Post by **tj86430** » Wed Jun 23, 2010 1:50 am

@Violence:

schilds · Post by **schilds** » Wed Jun 23, 2010 1:54 am

Violence · Post by **Violence** » Wed Jun 23, 2010 1:59 am

tj86430 wrote:@Violence:

Violence wrote:So lemme get this straight... after finding a tesuji to live... you decide to kill yourself?

I couldn't figure out how white would have been able to live after H13?

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Everything I read told me there's just too much aji here to kill.

Violence · Post by **Violence** » Wed Jun 23, 2010 2:04 am

I can't sleep, so here are some sequences.

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I either connect my groups together, or I capture the one stone. either way, you can't get out.

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No dice.

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Wed Jun 23, 2010 4:58 am

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Violence · Post by **Violence** » Wed Jun 23, 2010 5:00 am

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Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Wed Jun 23, 2010 5:51 am

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