#73: Hazushi(9 kyu) vs. Rubin427(7 kyu)

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Re: #73: Hazushi(9 kyu) vs. Rubin427(7 kyu)

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[go]$$Wc Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . W X . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O , . . . |
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I would NEVER play like this in person, because I couldn't take the time to read the variations - (or even if i did read them, I couldn't keep them straight in my head).

But I've done a little reading here, and I think this is okay, best case, I get some thickness on the outside, worst case, my stones get split and my thickness is gone, but R10 stone gets easy life.

I went to a lot of effort to show variations as diagrams rather than long sequences of moves... but it seems not all diagrams are visible in edogo. I might start using pdf or something.

finally... I feel a lot of pressure in this game. I feel like I've made more mistakes than my opponent. which won't work in a handicap game... maybe it's the handicap stones that make me feel this way? maybe I am playing poorly. It's hard to be objective.

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Re: #73: Hazushi(9 kyu) vs. Rubin427(7 kyu)

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for rubin427:

Did you consider the one-point jump to p10? I am not at all suggesting it would be better, and I haven't read it myself; I'm just curious about your thought process.
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Re: #73: Hazushi(9 kyu) vs. Rubin427(7 kyu)

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judicata wrote:for rubin427:

Did you consider the one-point jump to p10? I am not at all suggesting it would be better, and I haven't read it myself; I'm just curious about your thought process.


for judicata:
If white p10, then black p8, black is chasing white's weak group while making profit and easy life. also, the chances of white getting thickness on the outside are much reduced.

Did white get any profit form the exchange? maybe the R10 stone just becomes heavy?

If that play works, I don't understand it well enough to make it work for me right now.
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Re: #73: Hazushi(9 kyu) vs. Rubin427(7 kyu)

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[go]$$Wc Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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$$ | . . . X . . . X . X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
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[go]$$Wc Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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$$ | . . . X . . . X . X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . d . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . a c . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . b . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . e . . O . . . . O , . . . |
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All places noted are probable responces, there are obviously a few more locally yet how ever I am some what lazy and rather tired today to note them all with variations.

I was not expecting this, It sort of burst my ideas and is not casually answered.

I went through alot of variations for points "a" and "b" because those were the first respnces that came to mind both of which all variations were bad for black except for like 1 in each but were easily avoidable for white. I almost wanted to play at "e" and give up what I have in the corner area there.

I decided on "c" being a little tired and feeling almost sick, I decided to keep it simplish and step over. I have no real Ideas for this I just cant afford a fight if I can not read it out.


Below are some variations for "a" and "b" and a simple one for "e"




Variation A
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[go]$$Wc Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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$$ | . . . X . . . X . X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X 6 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B 1 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 3 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



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[go]$$Wc Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 6 8 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X 5 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B 1 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 3 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wc Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 6 7 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X 5 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B 1 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 3 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



Variation B

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[go]$$Wc Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 2 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wc Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 6 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 1 3 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 8 B . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wc Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 7 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X 4 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 1 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 . B . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wc Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O 8 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 6 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X 4 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 1 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 . B . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Variation E
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[go]$$Wc Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . |
$$ | . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . B . . O . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Wc Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . W X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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Re: #73: Hazushi(9 kyu) vs. Rubin427(7 kyu)

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This is horribly inconsistent of white. First you attach on top of his stone, then you tenuki? You made black stronger for nothing. White is begging to be cut at R9.
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Re: #73: Hazushi(9 kyu) vs. Rubin427(7 kyu)

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[go]$$Wc Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wc Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . W . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Sorry for the delay Hazushi. Generally speaking, Fridays are difficult for me to make a move. This Saturday was an exception. :/

I am really undecided on what to do next, allowing black q10 is 12 or more points solid territory, when I am already behind on territory.

On the other hand, my best chance ought to be to develop in the open areas.

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Re: #73: Hazushi(9 kyu) vs. Rubin427(7 kyu)

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[go]$$Wc Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . B . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Thats ok

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[go]$$Wc Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . B . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . T . O . T . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . 2 . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Then at one of the Triangles

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[go]$$Wc Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 4 , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . B . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . 2 X . . . . . O . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . 1 3 . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: #73: Hazushi(9 kyu) vs. Rubin427(7 kyu)

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[go]$$Wc Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . W . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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Re: #73: Hazushi(9 kyu) vs. Rubin427(7 kyu)

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[go]$$Wc Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . B . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . e . d . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . O 1 . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . B . . . . . . . . . . . a O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . c . O . b . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Then I have sente. And then I see "a" through "e".
I do not have any variations ready... this point in the game it is hard for me to offer variations. But I will as best as I can.


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[go]$$Wc Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . O 1 . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . B . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This is what I would like to happen.
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Re: #73: Hazushi(9 kyu) vs. Rubin427(7 kyu)

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[go]$$Wc Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . O W . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Previous Analysis still relevant.
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Re: #73: Hazushi(9 kyu) vs. Rubin427(7 kyu)

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[go]$$Wc Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . B . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This is what I was hoping for.
Now the result depends highly on how my opponent answer.
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[go]$$Wc Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . c O d e . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . h . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . B a b . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . g . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . f O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I see my opponent playing somewhere at any of these.
If answered "a" through "e" I jump to "f".
At "f" I jump over to "c" and the result will be a fight where I plan to cut the two groups C-9 and C-13.
At "h" still I will jump out at "f", but also I may play out to "a".
"g" feels.... unsettled with a few results that come to mind though it still seems safe to jump over to "c"
I know this looks like poor thought or, show of idea but as it progresses a bit the ideas will be understandable. Currently there are to many variations to note with diagrams but at my next move I should have some to show.
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Re: #73: Hazushi(9 kyu) vs. Rubin427(7 kyu)

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Black massively overestimates the value of C8, I think. The corner is full of weak points still, but white's shape is made stronger. Black needed to play a solid protecting move if he wanted the corner, rather than struggling for a sente way which doesn't work.
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[go]$$Wc Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . W O . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



I think I have lost this game. I spent a very long time looking things over and It's challenging to even come up with a plan to keep the game close...

This is what I am thinking about this move. there is a remote chance that my opponent will end up floating with one eye.



This is some other stuff I looked at - I didn't find anything all that amazing.

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