24. Tabemasu (7d) vs. Araban (5d)

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Re: Tabemasu vs. Araban : Malkovich #24

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@ Araban: I love your explanations, and I'd have to say that you're making an interesting game accessible to beginners like me. I especially like how you don't go into long complex variations, and I enjoy your global assessments.

Overall, I'm learning a lot just by watching your videos/reading your commentary. Keep up the good work! :D
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Re: Tabemasu vs. Araban : Malkovich #24

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Kirby wrote:
Araban wrote:
Joaz Banbeck wrote:Sol, ummm...you may have a typo in the trigger.
I see no typo.
I think that Joaz missed the second instance of the word, "then". I also did the first time that I read it.
Yep, that was it.
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Re: Tabemasu vs. Araban : Malkovich #24

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Suji wrote:@ Araban: I love your explanations, and I'd have to say that you're making an interesting game accessible to beginners like me. I especially like how you don't go into long complex variations, and I enjoy your global assessments.

Overall, I'm learning a lot just by watching your videos/reading your commentary. Keep up the good work! :D
Thank you! If you have any questions regarding anything, let me know and I'll do my best to help make things crystal clear :).
Joaz Banbeck wrote:Yep, that was it.
Ah okay, I could see how it could be misread so I fixed it.
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Re: Tabemasu vs. Araban : Malkovich #24

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Araban wrote:
Suji wrote:@ Araban: I love your explanations, and I'd have to say that you're making an interesting game accessible to beginners like me. I especially like how you don't go into long complex variations, and I enjoy your global assessments.

Overall, I'm learning a lot just by watching your videos/reading your commentary. Keep up the good work! :D
Thank you! If you have any questions regarding anything, let me know and I'll do my best to help make things crystal clear :).
I will do that.
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Re: Tabemasu vs. Araban : Malkovich #24

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[go]$$c Move 22
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I guess he wants to play this common sequence, this way I can build up my moyo on the left, and I think I can be satisfied.
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$$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . O , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . O 4 7 . . O , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . 6 O X 2 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 3 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
He could also play this way instead. He is completely alive with some territory, but I get sente and I might get the chance to cut at 'a' later.
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[go]$$c
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$$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . O , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 0 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 7 5 O 4 . . . O , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . 6 O X 2 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 8 1 3 a . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
The reason I didn't kick first was because I wanted to build a large moyo. I didn't want him playing something like below because he can treat his stones rather lightly and reduce my potential while also aiming to attack W2.
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[go]$$c
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$$ | . . . O . 1 . . 2 , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . W X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
The high pincer didn't really have any deep meaning. Since I am going for a moyo, I will naturally play higher moves. Anyway, keep the questions coming, and sorry for taking so long.
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Re: Tabemasu vs. Araban : Malkovich #24

Post by Solomon »

Hey Gus :). I offered a trigger sequence in my last move/post, so my automatic/triggered response is C2. Then, if you play E3, I connect at D2.
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[go]$$c Move 23
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$$ | . . . O . . . . O , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . B . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: Tabemasu vs. Araban : Malkovich #24

Post by zinger »

What about this reply for white:
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[go]$$
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O 5 . . . O , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O X 2 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 3 4 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I like a good messy fight ... is there some outright refutation?
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Re: Tabemasu vs. Araban : Malkovich #24

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zinger wrote:
What about this reply for white:
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[go]$$
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O 5 . . . O , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O X 2 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 3 4 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I like a good messy fight ... is there some outright refutation?
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[go]$$
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 5 3 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 7 4 O X 1 . . O , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O X O X 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Just a thought.
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Re: Tabemasu vs. Araban : Malkovich #24

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uglyboxer wrote:
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[go]$$
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 5 3 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 7 4 O X 1 . . O , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O X O X 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Just a thought.
I think white would play :w6: one point above :b7:.
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Re: Tabemasu vs. Araban : Malkovich #24

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daniel_the_smith wrote:
I think white would play :w6: one point above :b7:.
Ah yes, I always miss that one. *headslap*
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Re: Tabemasu vs. Araban : Malkovich #24

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zinger wrote:
What about this reply for white:
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[go]$$
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O 5 . . . O , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O X 2 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 3 4 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I like a good messy fight ... is there some outright refutation?
This is also a joseki, at least locally, zinger. But Gus said that he wanted to work toward a moyo on the left, so I don't know if this sequence is consistent with that strategy. But in itself, at least locally, it's another joseki.
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Re: Tabemasu vs. Araban : Malkovich #24

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[go]$$c Move 24
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$$ | . . . O . O X . O , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . O , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O X W X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: Tabemasu vs. Araban : Malkovich #24

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Triggers are a pretty tricky concept... :twisted:
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Re: Tabemasu vs. Araban : Malkovich #24

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[go]$$c Move 25
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$$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . O , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . O , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X B . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
(part of trigger sequence I posted earlier)
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Re: Tabemasu vs. Araban : Malkovich #24

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[go]$$c Move 26
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . O , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . O W . . . O , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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