132 Kirby vs. tj86430 (4-stone hcp)

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 12:42 pm

Graham, gaius:

Pro evaluation:

(1)

is gote. (My reasoning was correct.)

topazg wrote:I feel like this is a case of urgent before big.

(2) Yes, but here the lower right corner is more urgent than the upper left corner. B's upper left corner group is OK.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wm27 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 1 X . . X . O . . . . . . . O O O . | $$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . . O O X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . a b O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X c . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

gaius wrote:This is why the marked black stone was in the wrong direction.

(3) Correct. :bc:

was not good. Better was :black:

(c) directly.
(4) My :black:

(a) keima is not good; it does not close W. :black:

(b) attach is better -- it closes W. However...
(5) Better is still :black:

(c) directly -- this is more urgent than the upper left corner.

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 12:47 pm

@Ed:

tj86430 · Post by **tj86430** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 12:50 pm

Hmm, I'm really looking forward to see what all the fuss is about...

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 12:53 pm

Graham,

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 12:55 pm

tj86430 wrote:Hmm, I'm really looking forward to see what all the fuss is about...

"Nothing to see here. Move along..." (until after the game.

)

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 12:59 pm

Clearly, everyone here is discussing my hidden in-depth and thought provoking analysis.

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 1:36 pm

TJ, actually there's some good stuff here. Hopefully, soon the game will have progressed enough that we can unhide some of these posts.

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 2:02 pm

I guess, since I'm bored, I'll provide some (shallow) analysis (which is lacking in depth).

I don't know how tj86430 plays, but I hope for the following:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X 1 O . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X . 2 X . O . . . . . . . O O O . | $$ | . O . X 3 . . . . , . . . O O X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

If that's the case, maybe I can keep the flow by threatening his group:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm21 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . B B O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O B . O B . O . . . . . . . O O O . | $$ | . O . B B . . . . , . . . O O X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I have no real aspirations to kill his group, but I want to have fun with it. Push him around, get some stones placed where I want to in the process.

I want to do that for as long as I think he'll respond to me. I guess this is different than "as long as it's sente", because that's how I play handicap games as white.

It's probably a habit, but since I'm behind, if I can get moves in that may not be sente, but I feel they will respond, I sometimes play them. I guess that's probably bad, but... Otherwise I get discouraged being behind.

Anyway...

Once I do get the chance to take sente, I'm not quite sure where I want to play. I want to make a ruckus on the bottom, but I wonder if that's best. Maybe I should help my two stones on the bottom right.

That seems so lame, though... :-P

tj86430 · Post by **tj86430** » Fri Jul 29, 2011 11:32 am

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Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Fri Jul 29, 2011 11:58 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm31 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X . 1 X . O . . . . . . . O O O . | $$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . . O O X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

tj86430 · Post by **tj86430** » Fri Jul 29, 2011 2:11 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm31 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X . O X . O . . . . . . . O O O . | $$ | . O . X 2 . . . . , . . . O O X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

tj86430 · Post by **tj86430** » Sat Jul 30, 2011 12:40 pm

I will be on the road most of tomorrow. After that I will spend a week in a summer cabin, where the only internet connection is via my mobile, so I may or may not be able to play. I will try though.

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Sat Jul 30, 2011 2:13 pm

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No problem.

tj86430 · Post by **tj86430** » Wed Aug 03, 2011 11:31 pm

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