Re: This 'n' that
Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2015 2:59 pm
I have a question about one of the variations:
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Sennahoj wrote:I have a question about one of the variations:
If you move White 2 one point to the left it is a gote and gains 4 points. Black then does not have to reply with 4 at once. So the only dynamic difference between the two White 2s is that the correct one is - well, we have to have a name for it, so why not call it sente. Making Black reply and "gaining" an extra point needs some way of describing that attribute of the correct White 2. 'Sente sequence' certainly doesn't cut the mustard.does not qualify as a sente because it is a gote. It gains 5 points and then
gains 4 points in reply, so that the sente sequence gains 1 point.
Actually, it gains nothing (on average). And it allows Black to gain 1 point in reverse sente.John Fairbairn wrote:If you move White 2 one point to the left it is a gote and gains 4 points.does not qualify as a sente because it is a gote. It gains 5 points and then
gains 4 points in reply, so that the sente sequence gains 1 point.
I'm fine with gote sequence.'Sente sequence' certainly doesn't cut the mustard.
Traditional usage of gote, sente, and double sente is something of a muddle. But it does not take much to clear things up.Conclusion: trying to explain your new approach using the traditional terms is a cure worse than the disease.
Or I've lost the plot completely, which I accept is perfectly possible.
Since O Meien had to write a book specially to convey his ideas and felt compelled to give his system a new name (Absolute Counting) this is Alice in Wonderland stuff - words just mean what the Red Queen wants them to mean.For instance, if you show to O Meien and ask him what kind of playis, he will say gote in a flash. Ask him how much it gains, and he will say 5 points.
Well, traditionally this play is considered a gote with a swing value of 10 points. Some pros might be confused, but I feel sure that O Meien would not be.John Fairbairn wrote:Since O Meien had to write a book specially to convey his ideas and felt compelled to give his system a new name (Absolute Counting) this is Alice in Wonderland stuff - words just mean what the Red Queen wants them to mean.For instance, if you show to O Meien and ask him what kind of playis, he will say gote in a flash. Ask him how much it gains, and he will say 5 points.
Even Korschelt did not go that far.Abyssinica wrote:A play is sente only if your opponent answers.
Is this like a thousand year double sente.Bill Spight wrote:
Waddaya know? By the method of multiples, if Black plays first White gets 5 points in each corner, but if White plays first he gets only 3 points in each corner.
A true double sente!