For the past several days the AGA website has posted some announcements about a preliminary tournament to decide on North American representatives to the first Tiangfu Cup tournament.
Does anyone know anything about this tournament? When it will be held? How many total participants there will be?
Also, the AGA news articles have said many of the games were broadcast on KGS. I wasn't able to watch any of them live, but I'm interested in looking at the games. Does anyone know what account was doing the broadcasting so that I can look at the game files? (I looked under USGO1 which is the typical broadcast account for the AGA, but there doesn't seem to be anything more recent than the US Go Congress games).
Thanks in advance for any information.
Tiangfu Cup, North American Prelim, and the KGS Broadcast
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Re: Tiangfu Cup, North American Prelim, and the KGS Broadcas
Post by Calvin Clark »
I saw one of the games, Mingjiu Jiang 7p vs. Ryan Li 1p but unfortunately didn't save it. I know that the AGATD account was there, but the games aren't under that account's public history. You might contact Jeff Shaevel or Dennis Wheeler. I think the official e-mail is tournaments@usgo.org. It would be nice to see this in the E-Journal.
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Re: Tiangfu Cup, North American Prelim, and the KGS Broadcas
Checking Mingjiu's account reveals 5 games
(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[3600]OT[10x30 byo-yomi]
PW[mingjiu]PB[FengYun]WR[7p]BR[9p]DT[2018-08-21]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]RE[W+Resign]
;B[pd]BL[3593.576]
;W[dp]WL[3588.417]
;B[fq]BL[3589.005]C[AGATD [?\]: Mingjiu = Mingiu Jiang, 7p
]
;W[pp]WL[3553.896]C[AGATD [?\]: FengYun = Feng Yun, 9p
]
;B[cn]BL[3586.738]
;W[dn]WL[3544.796]
;B[dm]BL[3584.451]
;W[en]WL[3542.346]
;B[cp]BL[3526.255]
;W[cq]WL[3480.282]
;B[bo]BL[3523.79]C[mahhkjiu: wow, another pro game
mahhkjiu: is this some pros party?
josuke: ya
josuke: qualifiers for the 1st tianfu cup in China
josuke: 2 out of 8 pros from America get to represent
mahhkjiu: what to gain in first place?
]
;W[fp]WL[3337.697]
;B[gp]BL[3511.228]C[josuke: first 2 get to play in the tournament
]
;W[eq]WL[3329.748]
;B[fo]BL[3509.568]
;W[bp]WL[3326.224]
;B[co]BL[3501.894]
;W[ep]WL[3325.057]C[Grunman [1k\]: wow
josuke: g5 or slide on the c10 side i think
]
;B[bq]BL[3432.549]
;W[br]WL[3317.449]
;B[ap]BL[3431.595]C[mahhkjiu: tianbfu cup in china? what is this
josuke: ya
mahhkjiu: what gain in tianfu cup? money?
Grunman [1k\]: some AGA tournament
josuke: so this is the qualifer to see who represents America in that tourny
]
;W[cc]WL[3270.536]C[Grunman [1k\]: they both live in USA?
josuke: ya
josuke: all of the pros in this tournament do
mahhkjiu: whats the prize in the tournament
mahhkjiu: 1m dollars?
Grunman [1k\]: and does somebody represent Europe there?
]
;B[nq]BL[3354.929]C[mahhkjiu: so the winner will gain 1.000.000 usd
mahhkjiu: nice
josuke: This is for who represents US
josuke: not for Europe
mahhkjiu: yes
]
;W[qn]WL[3191.768]C[Grunman [1k\]: i mean, and what about Europe?
greenvibes [2k\]: Is this live or in person ?
]
;B[gq]BL[3321.602]C[greenvibes [2k\]: i mean in person or on computer ?
]
;W[kp]WL[3182.134]C[josuke: I think this is online
josuke: but i could be wrong
Grunman [1k\]: looks so
]
;B[dr]BL[3306.925]
;W[er]WL[3178.29]
;B[cr]BL[3306.115]
;W[gn]WL[3173.787]
;B[hn]BL[3303.697]
;W[gm]WL[3160.915]
;B[ip]BL[3269.559]
;W[oq]WL[3150.88]
;B[np]BL[3266.348]
;W[kn]WL[3103.337]
;B[hm]BL[3261.55]
;W[hl]WL[3092.269]C[U [-\]: mingjiu lost to eric lui yesterday, feng yun lost to stephanie yen, its a double elim so loser of this game is eliminated
mahhkjiu: i think fengyun will lose
mahhkjiu: mingjiu is too strong
njs [3d\]: how does that make any sense
U [-\]: id bet on feng yun
mongo [1k\]: me too but the other way
mongo [1k\]: h8 = the winning move
U [-\]: she had a dominating position on stephanie but then misread a sequence and her position collapsed
njs [3d\]: i gotta vouch for my former teacher
mahhkjiu: she is better than honinbo shusaku?
njs [3d\]: go feng!!!
]
;B[jm]BL[3125.121]C[mongo [1k\]: i can beat shusaku
mongo [1k\]: he lose on time
josuke: j8
mongo [1k\]: j8 a pro move?
njs [3d\]: h5
josuke: its a josuke move
josuke: its either j8 then o6 or just o6 rn
mongo [1k\]: ha
]
;W[nn]WL[3005.607]C[njs [3d\]: meant g5 but rip
josuke: l3
mongo [1k\]: l2
sh [5k\]: Hi njs
mongo [1k\]: m5
mahhkjiu: hi sh
mahhkjiu: are you honinbo shusaku?
valkyre [1d\]: yes
mahhkjiu: a genius?
mongo [1k\]: n6
njs [3d\]: g8 is needed
mongo [1k\]: g8 is not a kick
valkyre [1d\]: they r using bot?
josuke: im not, but i think white is way ahead
mahhkjiu: whats the oficial website of feng yun?
valkyre [1d\]: fengyun.com
njs [3d\]: fengyungoschool.com probably
mongo [1k\]: m4
Grunman [1k\]: using bots would be shame
mongo [1k\]: its ok if bot is bought
r0n1n [3d\]: i believe that they are both on skype, to further prevent usage of bot
njs [3d\]: ^
njs [3d\]: also really
r0n1n [3d\]: (as for all pros in this qualifier)
njs [3d\]: you think they would risk ruining their longstanding career
njs [3d\]: by using a bot
njs [3d\]: you must be actually dull
mahhkjiu: w is a genius
mongo [1k\]: im shiny
valkyre [1d\]: u never know
njs [3d\]: yeah you actually do
njs [3d\]: these are long time professionals with dignity and honesty, obviously they wouldn't use a bot, lmao
mongo [1k\]: sometime u know but dont know that you know
josuke: not gonna lie
mahhkjiu: mingjiu is a genius
mahhkjiu: respect him
josuke: even if they are on skype, what would stop them from using a bot
valkyre [1d\]: online go tournaments should not be organised
josuke: its just a simple matter of alt tabing
mongo [1k\]: yup
mahhkjiu: im saying guys
r0n1n [3d\]: josuke - if they have a webcam that shows the screen/the person, or a screenshare
]
;B[qq]BL[2721.881]C[r0n1n [3d\]: that would make it much more difficult for them to use a bot without it being obvious
josuke: all im saying is ive played in high stakes tourneys online, and they dont do that
mongo [1k\]: wow
josuke: and not to mention there are things like having two screens
josuke: like streamers on twitch have
josuke: so its really not hard to do if you want
U [-\]: how about we stop making wild accusations against people
josuke: just my opion tho
r0n1n [3d\]: but then you would see the mouse going from one screen to the other every move
r0n1n [3d\]: which would also make it obvious
mahhkjiu: Ilenkeshet is a genius ok? all remember that
mongo [1k\]: i would p2 but probably bad
r0n1n [3d\]: i think it's great that they take measures against assistance cheating, like what they did at the usgo congress
josuke: you mean taking away phones
josuke: ya i agree
mongo [1k\]: phone a friend
josuke: p2 is fine here
mahhkjiu: imo black is losing harder
]
;W[or]WL[2821.092]C[mongo [1k\]: \\o/
mongo [1k\]: solid 1k move..
mongo [1k\]: q5
FAKENEWSS: im sure you are missing the playout
RainierBob [?\]: no bots allowed. Players have a skype connection so they can see what the other is doing.
xedover [?\]: lets concentrate on the game please
josuke: either l3, m3, l2 or g8,
]
;B[oo]BL[2608.485]C[mongo [1k\]: p5
Koyou [1k\]: what tournament is this? if you dont mind me asking
mongo [1k\]: oops too late
xedover [?\]: http://www.usgo.org/news/2018/08/1st-ti ... 24-on-kgs/
Koyou [1k\]: ty
mongo [1k\]: b played 2 1k moves in a row..
redreoicy [6d\]: I guess white should win then
mongo [1k\]: :^(
njs [3d\]: just q7...
njs [3d\]: b is floundering
greenvibes [2k\]: does anyone know if the tournament results/brackets are available online ?
U [-\]: well its double elimination, top 2 go to the tournament
U [-\]: both these players lost yesterday
r0n1n [3d\]: since games are played on kgs, you can also just check the result of their previous game in their profile
redreoicy [6d\]: I would guess r4 here
U [-\]: itll be 6 pros left after today. loser of this game and loser of ryan/ahn dalhoon
U [-\]: will be eliminated today
mongo [1k\]: i woule r4..
Koyou [1k\]: same red
mongo [1k\]: but thot too safe..
U [-\]: suchs for ahn dalhoon though, he was way ahead in the game vs huiren yang but he had connection issues and lost on time
njs [3d\]: lol
njs [3d\]: rip
Koyou [1k\]: seriously rip
njs [3d\]: q7 need
]
;W[pm]WL[2359.488]C[njs [3d\]: ye
]
;B[po]BL[2602.653]C[r0n1n [3d\]: yeee
mongo [1k\]: hehehe
]
;W[qp]WL[2348.683]C[mongo [1k\]: this seems pretty good
mongo [1k\]: p7
mongo [1k\]: n6
ML [3d\]: n6
r0n1n [3d\]: yep, those are all vital points
mongo [1k\]: mingjiu says yep alot
]
;B[kq]BL[2413.254]C[mongo [1k\]: l3
ML [3d\]: ha
njs [3d\]: little bit late on that one mongo
mongo [1k\]: oops late again
]
;W[lq]WL[2335.577]
;B[lp]BL[2411.679]C[mongo [1k\]:
njs [3d\]: might as well t19
]
;W[lo]WL[2316.092]C[njs [3d\]: t19 seems like a sente i think
SuperAwe [3k\]: Ouch
njs [3d\]: t19 s18 s19 r18 r19 t18 t17 q19 p18
]
;B[lr]BL[2385.936]
;W[mp]WL[2294.896]C[r0n1n [3d\]: good call
r0n1n [3d\]: i sense seki
njs [3d\]: I think b18 is a vital invasion?
SuperAwe [3k\]: K3?
redreoicy [6d\]: k3 then white might play n3
r0n1n [3d\]: c18 is the fashion now, for the upper left corner
SuperAwe [3k\]: N3 o2
r0n1n [3d\]: is n3 problematic ?
SuperAwe [3k\]: It's ko
]
;B[jq]BL[2277.671]C[redreoicy [6d\]: o2 is nice move
redreoicy [6d\]: n3 is terrible move
njs [3d\]: wait what
SuperAwe [3k\]: My bad
njs [3d\]: l2 seems better than k3
]
;W[ho]WL[2260.802]C[njs [3d\]: white seems better
r0n1n [3d\]: obviously time for a san san invasion
redreoicy [6d\]: If l2 white could play k3
]
;B[go]BL[2192.443]C[SuperAwe [3k\]: W is preparing for ko on the right?
]
;W[em]WL[2246.313]
;B[dl]BL[2186.225]C[njs [3d\]: so
mongo [1k\]: hmmm??
]
;W[io]WL[2233.038]C[njs [3d\]: after k3 it isnt severe
mongo [1k\]: not bad for w but b seems ok too
mongo [1k\]: maybe better for w?
]
;B[im]BL[2122.373]C[mongo [1k\]: oh!!
SuperAwe [3k\]: Woah
Koyou [1k\]: wow ok
]
;W[jp]WL[2206.322]
;B[hp]BL[2109.389]C[SuperAwe [3k\]: J7 turns out to be good move, fixing B's weakness in bottom group in Senate?
SuperAwe [3k\]: *sentw
KoyoToya [1d\]: Ah autocprrect
njs [3d\]: I would say in the House myself
SuperAwe [3k\]: Oops
mongo [1k\]: so did w overplay somewhere?
redreoicy [6d\]: no
KoyoToya [1d\]: Q7, imo
]
;W[jn]WL[2077.674]C[SuperAwe [3k\]: W played q7?
njs [3d\]: q7 was necessary
njs [3d\]: there was no other move
mongo [1k\]: ya q7 was nice move
mongo [1k\]: g8 ?
mongo [1k\]: no forget it
SuperAwe [3k\]: I think G8 might be overlay?
SuperAwe [3k\]: *overplay
mongo [1k\]: p7 now
UBIK [2k\]: not sure 7p do much overplay
njs [3d\]: g8 i guess
SuperAwe [3k\]: Tenuki?
Azabache [3d\]: q7 was very strong move
ctdogpdf: o2 is pretty big but b seems in a fighty mood
ctdogpdf: g8 is to be expected after connecting thos j7 stones ?
soundpost [6k\]: is the black group alive in the bottom middle without another play?
mongo [1k\]: yes and no
Azabache [3d\]: Q7 won the crowd
]
;B[gl]BL[1908.636]C[ctdogpdf: its a shrodinger group ?
njs [3d\]: i mean
njs [3d\]: q7 was sort of obvious
mongo [1k\]: hey 1k move
njs [3d\]: but kk
ctdogpdf: so w has to push out
mongo [1k\]: g9
ctdogpdf: meaning j7 is safe and w keeps running
Azabache [3d\]: i meant j7
FAKENEWSS: h9 only
ctdogpdf: unless h9 f8 l8 ?
Azabache [3d\]: coordinates disabled
]
;W[ek]WL[1929.094]C[mongo [1k\]: ah interesting
]
;B[gk]BL[1896.729]C[Azabache [3d\]: So, J7 was a very strong move.
]
;W[el]WL[1917.609]
;B[mq]BL[1889.646]C[ctdogpdf: b looks good now
ctdogpdf: j9 like a crazy person
mongo [1k\]: dirty and hairy?
redreoicy [6d\]: h9 fight!
mongo [1k\]: f16
]
;W[ik]WL[1786.576]
;B[jk]BL[1886.757]
;W[ij]WL[1783.09]
;B[jj]BL[1885.136]
;W[ii]WL[1780.231]C[mongo [1k\]: always fighting..
mongo [1k\]: this fight will go on for the next 50 moves
]
;B[om]BL[1824.297]C[mongo [1k\]: finally
]
;W[on]WL[1751.568]
;B[qo]BL[1803.387]
;W[ro]WL[1742.42]
;B[rp]BL[1800.145]
;W[rq]WL[1735.092]
;B[pn]BL[1797.124]C[soundpost [6k\]: wow
josuke: so
josuke: what happens if white connects at r7, and then after black goes p8, whtie cuts at n2
ctdogpdf: someone has to die it seems
mongo [1k\]: n6 ?
Lambic12 [1k\]: this game is for learning us, poor newbies, what a clean shape is
Azabache [3d\]: K5 may work soon
ctdogpdf: r7
mafutrct [-\]: the cut at n2 is less danger because p4 is sente
]
;W[rm]WL[1587.41]
;B[pl]BL[1793.42]
;W[qm]WL[1584.519]C[josuke: but then s6 loses its value
]
;B[no]BL[1773.748]C[mafutrct [-\]: that sounds right
sh [5k\]: Hi mafutrct
]
;W[nm]WL[1480.929]C[mongo [1k\]: b seems better now..
mongo [1k\]: to me..
josuke: i think white in control
josuke: as long as white keeps the p7 group and the k7 group split and doesnt die that is
josuke: if we consider that c17 and q16 are the same size, and the bottom right and bottom left corner as the same
josuke: then white has the g9 stones in his mouth, and komi
mongo [1k\]: i thot n6 not o5
Sorry [8d\]: p8 l8 k8 o8
]
;B[mn]BL[1652.033]C[josuke: uh
josuke: l8?
mongo [1k\]: not as good now..
mongo [1k\]: imo
josuke: what does black do if white l8 right not
josuke: seems like no good move
Sorry [8d\]: l8 o8
mongo [1k\]: 2 l8 for l8
josuke: taking the o6stones
josuke: and giving up the four in the center
josuke: would be pretty good for white ya
josuke: and he gets sente
Kellan [?\]: More than 4 stones in center
Kellan [?\]: And they are cutting stones
Azabache [3d\]: center is a group, not simply stones
]
;W[mm]WL[1198.36]C[Kellan [?\]: You mean give up j9 group?
josuke: so this way, white gets the k7 stones, but also makes it so that the o7 stones have more aji
josuke: i like it
]
;B[lm]BL[1537.98]
;W[km]WL[1190.821]C[mongo [1k\]: what else..
]
;B[ll]BL[1533.323]C[josuke: k8, then black p7
josuke: er 8
Azabache [3d\]: everybody eats 4 stones
redreoicy [6d\]: munch munch
josuke: better for whtie tho
redreoicy [6d\]: everybody eats 4 stones, then white wins
mongo [1k\]: oops supper time
]
;W[jl]WL[1126.186]
;B[ol]BL[1531.703]C[josuke: white eats 4 in sente
josuke: and gets a lot of aji
josuke: with the four
mongo [1k\]: yeah w capture big
josuke: white goes r9, or simply r17
josuke: and this looks in the bag
]
;W[qc]WL[1099.728]
;B[pc]BL[1507.319]
;W[qd]WL[1096.581]C[Kellan [?\]: Oh, those 4:)
]
;B[qe]BL[1493.966]
;W[re]WL[1094.008]
;B[rf]BL[1492.697]
;W[pb]WL[1079.04]
;B[ob]BL[1480.51]
;W[oc]WL[1075.423]
;B[pe]BL[1479.52]
;W[nb]WL[1072.97]
;B[qb]BL[1478.79]C[josuke: nice
]
;W[oa]WL[1071.851]
;B[rb]BL[1478.072]C[josuke: this is good for w
josuke: k16
josuke: huge point
Kellan [?\]: I agree
josuke: or even o16
josuke: 15*
Kellan [?\]: Great for w
josuke: l17 for safety
josuke: but either way, very nice
]
;W[cj]WL[1020.858]C[Sorry [8d\]: w's not worried about b developing
Sorry [8d\]: right side is open for w to invade
josuke: ya r9 hole
josuke: always there
]
;B[mc]BL[1453.655]C[Sorry [8d\]: m17 ?
josuke: i dont like c10 tho
redreoicy [6d\]: really q18 isn't a good move but white is too far ahead...
josuke: c10 feels like giving black a chance
]
;W[kc]WL[975.92]C[josuke: natural follow
]
;B[dd]BL[1444.192]
;W[dc]WL[965.397]
;B[ed]BL[1442.387]
;W[fc]WL[961.694]C[josuke: minju playing well
josuke: glad to see
]
;B[ec]BL[1299.103]
;W[eb]WL[957.225]
;B[cd]BL[1298.344]
;W[bc]WL[883.517]
;B[fd]BL[1267.591]
;W[gc]WL[881.085]
;B[gd]BL[1260.25]
;W[hd]WL[874.678]
;B[he]BL[1258.242]
;W[id]WL[813.28]
;B[db]BL[1242.463]
;W[fb]WL[810.655]
;B[ch]BL[1202.959]
;W[nd]WL[794.596]
;B[ne]BL[1193.824]
;W[kl]WL[767.928]C[njs [3d\]: whats the point of that wall
josuke: :/
ctdogpdf: walling
njs [3d\]: so black is lost then i guess
ctdogpdf: game looks even to me
ctdogpdf: maybe b slightly better
josuke: nah, black behind
]
;B[rk]BL[928.504]C[josuke: l8 was kinda bad tho
josuke: but following with m9 isnt too bad
]
;W[qk]WL[618.305]
;B[ql]BL[920.256]
;W[rl]WL[616.973]
;B[rj]BL[917.146]C[Sorry [8d\]: o9 ?
josuke: r11 seems like a nice probe
]
;W[mo]WL[504.5]
;B[ml]BL[910.485]C[ctdogpdf: i like b
]
;W[ln]WL[491.091]
;B[nl]BL[908.349]
;W[mn]WL[489.9]C[josuke: honestly dont like this trade for white
njs [3d\]: n16 need
josuke: i feel like he coulda got a lot more value
Sorry [8d\]: me neither
Sorry [8d\]: perhaps he's preparing for l2 ?
josuke: that seems far fetched
josuke: like hes winning
Sorry [8d\]: a long ko for sure
josuke: no need to play the ko
Kellan [?\]: Is this sentence against bottom group?
Kellan [?\]: Sente
josuke: i dont think so
Sorry [8d\]: cut seems fairly large
leelaqi [9d\]: l2 seems pretty dangerous
Sorry [8d\]: ^
josuke: ^
josuke: perhaps
Harmonic [7d\]: o2 fine for b
josuke: but black doesnt have time to fix that ya
Sorry [8d\]: looks severe
josuke: hm
josuke: if black fixes here, then ig uess this sequence was pretty good for him
josuke: for white
]
;B[nr]BL[706.397]C[redreoicy [6d\]: cut should be too small for now
josuke: ^
]
;W[ns]WL[479.683]C[josuke: well gj minju
josuke: i for one did not see this sequence as viable at first xd
]
;B[ms]BL[615.386]
;W[os]WL[475.385]
;B[ks]BL[614.355]C[SuperAwe [3k\]: Huge ko
josuke: so is it n16 or m10
SuperAwe [3k\]: Nvm
]
;W[mi]WL[441.216]C[njs [3d\]: 2 points is huge ko?
josuke: xD
SuperAwe [3k\]: My bad
SuperAwe [3k\]: I misread
josuke: well hey guys, was fun, hope to see you all tomorrow
SuperAwe [3k\]: Bye
josuke: enjoy the rest of these games
]
;B[ni]BL[555.72]
;W[nh]WL[352.053]
;B[mh]BL[552.79]
;W[nj]WL[184.368]
;B[oi]BL[549.276]
;W[li]WL[181.863]
;B[lh]BL[541.241]
;W[oj]WL[84.155]
;B[pj]BL[534.971]
;W[ng]WL[76.712]
;B[ph]BL[423.262]
;W[me]WL[62.603]
;B[md]BL[412.057]
;W[oe]WL[30]OW[8]
;B[od]BL[407.111]
;W[nc]WL[30]OW[8]
;B[of]BL[405.731]
;W[nf]WL[30]OW[8]C[Sorry [8d\]: fierce
Sorry [8d\]: must be from the pushups
njs [3d\]: m15
njs [3d\]: how can black win from here
]
;B[le]BL[11.345]C[njs [3d\]: I hope ther's a miracle
]
;W[oe]WL[30]OW[8]
;B[fn]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[fm]WL[30]OW[8]
;B[ne]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[mf]WL[30]OW[8]
;B[mb]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[oe]WL[30]OW[8]
;B[kd]BL[30]OB[9]
;W[lb]WL[30]OW[8]C[njs [3d\]: k17 ig
Grunman [1k\]: b got 9p btw
]
;B[ma]BL[30]OB[9]C[njs [3d\]: we know
]
;W[pf]WL[30]OW[8]
;B[qf]BL[30]OB[9]C[njs [3d\]: it says at the top of the game
]
;W[og]WL[30]OW[8]C[sh [5k\]: is there anyone got classic tsumego collection in sgf form,thank you
]
;B[kh]BL[30]OB[9]
;W[pg]WL[30]OW[8]
;B[qg]BL[30]OB[9]
;W[kg]WL[30]OW[8]
;B[ie]BL[30]OB[9]
;W[lf]WL[30]OW[7]
;B[jc]BL[30]OB[9]
;W[kj]WL[30]OW[6]C[Grunman [1k\]: there is Cho Chikun's encyclopedia of Life&Death, i guess it's not hard to find it
]
;B[ki]BL[30]OB[9]
;W[lk]WL[30]OW[6]C[njs [3d\]: k11 or?
Grunman [1k\]: cool connection
njs [3d\]: i guess n10 first
]
;B[ji]BL[30]OB[8]C[njs [3d\]: or not
njs [3d\]: lol
]
;W[kk]WL[30]OW[6]
;B[ih]BL[30]OB[8]C[njs [3d\]: white winning seems less certain now
]
;W[jg]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[jh]BL[30]OB[8]
;W[if]WL[30]OW[5]C[sh [5k\]: koyo please check my pm,you are so much into this game lol
]
;B[hf]BL[30]OB[8]
;W[hg]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[hh]BL[30]OB[8]
;W[ig]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[gh]BL[30]OB[6]
;W[gg]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[fh]BL[30]OB[6]
;W[je]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[kb]BL[30]OB[6]
;W[eg]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[eh]BL[30]OB[6]
;W[dg]WL[30]OW[4]C[Kellan [?\]: Mingjiu is killing something
lonepeak: black seems somewho weak for 9p(
]
;B[dh]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[cg]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[ge]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[fg]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[jd]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[ib]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[ke]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[jf]WL[30]OW[4]C[njs [3d\]: i guess k13 better than j12? idk
ranyee [2k\]: no chance
Sorry [8d\]: it's over
])
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[3600]OT[10x30 byo-yomi]
PW[mingjiu]PB[FengYun]WR[7p]BR[9p]DT[2018-08-21]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]RE[W+Resign]
;B[pd]BL[3593.576]
;W[dp]WL[3588.417]
;B[fq]BL[3589.005]C[AGATD [?\]: Mingjiu = Mingiu Jiang, 7p
]
;W[pp]WL[3553.896]C[AGATD [?\]: FengYun = Feng Yun, 9p
]
;B[cn]BL[3586.738]
;W[dn]WL[3544.796]
;B[dm]BL[3584.451]
;W[en]WL[3542.346]
;B[cp]BL[3526.255]
;W[cq]WL[3480.282]
;B[bo]BL[3523.79]C[mahhkjiu: wow, another pro game
mahhkjiu: is this some pros party?
josuke: ya
josuke: qualifiers for the 1st tianfu cup in China
josuke: 2 out of 8 pros from America get to represent
mahhkjiu: what to gain in first place?
]
;W[fp]WL[3337.697]
;B[gp]BL[3511.228]C[josuke: first 2 get to play in the tournament
]
;W[eq]WL[3329.748]
;B[fo]BL[3509.568]
;W[bp]WL[3326.224]
;B[co]BL[3501.894]
;W[ep]WL[3325.057]C[Grunman [1k\]: wow
josuke: g5 or slide on the c10 side i think
]
;B[bq]BL[3432.549]
;W[br]WL[3317.449]
;B[ap]BL[3431.595]C[mahhkjiu: tianbfu cup in china? what is this
josuke: ya
mahhkjiu: what gain in tianfu cup? money?
Grunman [1k\]: some AGA tournament
josuke: so this is the qualifer to see who represents America in that tourny
]
;W[cc]WL[3270.536]C[Grunman [1k\]: they both live in USA?
josuke: ya
josuke: all of the pros in this tournament do
mahhkjiu: whats the prize in the tournament
mahhkjiu: 1m dollars?
Grunman [1k\]: and does somebody represent Europe there?
]
;B[nq]BL[3354.929]C[mahhkjiu: so the winner will gain 1.000.000 usd
mahhkjiu: nice
josuke: This is for who represents US
josuke: not for Europe
mahhkjiu: yes
]
;W[qn]WL[3191.768]C[Grunman [1k\]: i mean, and what about Europe?
greenvibes [2k\]: Is this live or in person ?
]
;B[gq]BL[3321.602]C[greenvibes [2k\]: i mean in person or on computer ?
]
;W[kp]WL[3182.134]C[josuke: I think this is online
josuke: but i could be wrong
Grunman [1k\]: looks so
]
;B[dr]BL[3306.925]
;W[er]WL[3178.29]
;B[cr]BL[3306.115]
;W[gn]WL[3173.787]
;B[hn]BL[3303.697]
;W[gm]WL[3160.915]
;B[ip]BL[3269.559]
;W[oq]WL[3150.88]
;B[np]BL[3266.348]
;W[kn]WL[3103.337]
;B[hm]BL[3261.55]
;W[hl]WL[3092.269]C[U [-\]: mingjiu lost to eric lui yesterday, feng yun lost to stephanie yen, its a double elim so loser of this game is eliminated
mahhkjiu: i think fengyun will lose
mahhkjiu: mingjiu is too strong
njs [3d\]: how does that make any sense
U [-\]: id bet on feng yun
mongo [1k\]: me too but the other way
mongo [1k\]: h8 = the winning move
U [-\]: she had a dominating position on stephanie but then misread a sequence and her position collapsed
njs [3d\]: i gotta vouch for my former teacher
mahhkjiu: she is better than honinbo shusaku?
njs [3d\]: go feng!!!
]
;B[jm]BL[3125.121]C[mongo [1k\]: i can beat shusaku
mongo [1k\]: he lose on time
josuke: j8
mongo [1k\]: j8 a pro move?
njs [3d\]: h5
josuke: its a josuke move
josuke: its either j8 then o6 or just o6 rn
mongo [1k\]: ha
]
;W[nn]WL[3005.607]C[njs [3d\]: meant g5 but rip
josuke: l3
mongo [1k\]: l2
sh [5k\]: Hi njs
mongo [1k\]: m5
mahhkjiu: hi sh
mahhkjiu: are you honinbo shusaku?
valkyre [1d\]: yes
mahhkjiu: a genius?
mongo [1k\]: n6
njs [3d\]: g8 is needed
mongo [1k\]: g8 is not a kick
valkyre [1d\]: they r using bot?
josuke: im not, but i think white is way ahead
mahhkjiu: whats the oficial website of feng yun?
valkyre [1d\]: fengyun.com
njs [3d\]: fengyungoschool.com probably
mongo [1k\]: m4
Grunman [1k\]: using bots would be shame
mongo [1k\]: its ok if bot is bought
r0n1n [3d\]: i believe that they are both on skype, to further prevent usage of bot
njs [3d\]: ^
njs [3d\]: also really
r0n1n [3d\]: (as for all pros in this qualifier)
njs [3d\]: you think they would risk ruining their longstanding career
njs [3d\]: by using a bot
njs [3d\]: you must be actually dull
mahhkjiu: w is a genius
mongo [1k\]: im shiny
valkyre [1d\]: u never know
njs [3d\]: yeah you actually do
njs [3d\]: these are long time professionals with dignity and honesty, obviously they wouldn't use a bot, lmao
mongo [1k\]: sometime u know but dont know that you know
josuke: not gonna lie
mahhkjiu: mingjiu is a genius
mahhkjiu: respect him
josuke: even if they are on skype, what would stop them from using a bot
valkyre [1d\]: online go tournaments should not be organised
josuke: its just a simple matter of alt tabing
mongo [1k\]: yup
mahhkjiu: im saying guys
r0n1n [3d\]: josuke - if they have a webcam that shows the screen/the person, or a screenshare
]
;B[qq]BL[2721.881]C[r0n1n [3d\]: that would make it much more difficult for them to use a bot without it being obvious
josuke: all im saying is ive played in high stakes tourneys online, and they dont do that
mongo [1k\]: wow
josuke: and not to mention there are things like having two screens
josuke: like streamers on twitch have
josuke: so its really not hard to do if you want
U [-\]: how about we stop making wild accusations against people
josuke: just my opion tho
r0n1n [3d\]: but then you would see the mouse going from one screen to the other every move
r0n1n [3d\]: which would also make it obvious
mahhkjiu: Ilenkeshet is a genius ok? all remember that
mongo [1k\]: i would p2 but probably bad
r0n1n [3d\]: i think it's great that they take measures against assistance cheating, like what they did at the usgo congress
josuke: you mean taking away phones
josuke: ya i agree
mongo [1k\]: phone a friend
josuke: p2 is fine here
mahhkjiu: imo black is losing harder
]
;W[or]WL[2821.092]C[mongo [1k\]: \\o/
mongo [1k\]: solid 1k move..
mongo [1k\]: q5
FAKENEWSS: im sure you are missing the playout
RainierBob [?\]: no bots allowed. Players have a skype connection so they can see what the other is doing.
xedover [?\]: lets concentrate on the game please
josuke: either l3, m3, l2 or g8,
]
;B[oo]BL[2608.485]C[mongo [1k\]: p5
Koyou [1k\]: what tournament is this? if you dont mind me asking
mongo [1k\]: oops too late
xedover [?\]: http://www.usgo.org/news/2018/08/1st-ti ... 24-on-kgs/
Koyou [1k\]: ty
mongo [1k\]: b played 2 1k moves in a row..
redreoicy [6d\]: I guess white should win then
mongo [1k\]: :^(
njs [3d\]: just q7...
njs [3d\]: b is floundering
greenvibes [2k\]: does anyone know if the tournament results/brackets are available online ?
U [-\]: well its double elimination, top 2 go to the tournament
U [-\]: both these players lost yesterday
r0n1n [3d\]: since games are played on kgs, you can also just check the result of their previous game in their profile
redreoicy [6d\]: I would guess r4 here
U [-\]: itll be 6 pros left after today. loser of this game and loser of ryan/ahn dalhoon
U [-\]: will be eliminated today
mongo [1k\]: i woule r4..
Koyou [1k\]: same red
mongo [1k\]: but thot too safe..
U [-\]: suchs for ahn dalhoon though, he was way ahead in the game vs huiren yang but he had connection issues and lost on time
njs [3d\]: lol
njs [3d\]: rip
Koyou [1k\]: seriously rip
njs [3d\]: q7 need
]
;W[pm]WL[2359.488]C[njs [3d\]: ye
]
;B[po]BL[2602.653]C[r0n1n [3d\]: yeee
mongo [1k\]: hehehe
]
;W[qp]WL[2348.683]C[mongo [1k\]: this seems pretty good
mongo [1k\]: p7
mongo [1k\]: n6
ML [3d\]: n6
r0n1n [3d\]: yep, those are all vital points
mongo [1k\]: mingjiu says yep alot
]
;B[kq]BL[2413.254]C[mongo [1k\]: l3
ML [3d\]: ha
njs [3d\]: little bit late on that one mongo
mongo [1k\]: oops late again
]
;W[lq]WL[2335.577]
;B[lp]BL[2411.679]C[mongo [1k\]:
njs [3d\]: might as well t19
]
;W[lo]WL[2316.092]C[njs [3d\]: t19 seems like a sente i think
SuperAwe [3k\]: Ouch
njs [3d\]: t19 s18 s19 r18 r19 t18 t17 q19 p18
]
;B[lr]BL[2385.936]
;W[mp]WL[2294.896]C[r0n1n [3d\]: good call
r0n1n [3d\]: i sense seki
njs [3d\]: I think b18 is a vital invasion?
SuperAwe [3k\]: K3?
redreoicy [6d\]: k3 then white might play n3
r0n1n [3d\]: c18 is the fashion now, for the upper left corner
SuperAwe [3k\]: N3 o2
r0n1n [3d\]: is n3 problematic ?
SuperAwe [3k\]: It's ko
]
;B[jq]BL[2277.671]C[redreoicy [6d\]: o2 is nice move
redreoicy [6d\]: n3 is terrible move
njs [3d\]: wait what
SuperAwe [3k\]: My bad
njs [3d\]: l2 seems better than k3
]
;W[ho]WL[2260.802]C[njs [3d\]: white seems better
r0n1n [3d\]: obviously time for a san san invasion
redreoicy [6d\]: If l2 white could play k3
]
;B[go]BL[2192.443]C[SuperAwe [3k\]: W is preparing for ko on the right?
]
;W[em]WL[2246.313]
;B[dl]BL[2186.225]C[njs [3d\]: so
mongo [1k\]: hmmm??
]
;W[io]WL[2233.038]C[njs [3d\]: after k3 it isnt severe
mongo [1k\]: not bad for w but b seems ok too
mongo [1k\]: maybe better for w?
]
;B[im]BL[2122.373]C[mongo [1k\]: oh!!
SuperAwe [3k\]: Woah
Koyou [1k\]: wow ok
]
;W[jp]WL[2206.322]
;B[hp]BL[2109.389]C[SuperAwe [3k\]: J7 turns out to be good move, fixing B's weakness in bottom group in Senate?
SuperAwe [3k\]: *sentw
KoyoToya [1d\]: Ah autocprrect
njs [3d\]: I would say in the House myself
SuperAwe [3k\]: Oops
mongo [1k\]: so did w overplay somewhere?
redreoicy [6d\]: no
KoyoToya [1d\]: Q7, imo
]
;W[jn]WL[2077.674]C[SuperAwe [3k\]: W played q7?
njs [3d\]: q7 was necessary
njs [3d\]: there was no other move
mongo [1k\]: ya q7 was nice move
mongo [1k\]: g8 ?
mongo [1k\]: no forget it
SuperAwe [3k\]: I think G8 might be overlay?
SuperAwe [3k\]: *overplay
mongo [1k\]: p7 now
UBIK [2k\]: not sure 7p do much overplay
njs [3d\]: g8 i guess
SuperAwe [3k\]: Tenuki?
Azabache [3d\]: q7 was very strong move
ctdogpdf: o2 is pretty big but b seems in a fighty mood
ctdogpdf: g8 is to be expected after connecting thos j7 stones ?
soundpost [6k\]: is the black group alive in the bottom middle without another play?
mongo [1k\]: yes and no
Azabache [3d\]: Q7 won the crowd
]
;B[gl]BL[1908.636]C[ctdogpdf: its a shrodinger group ?
njs [3d\]: i mean
njs [3d\]: q7 was sort of obvious
mongo [1k\]: hey 1k move
njs [3d\]: but kk
ctdogpdf: so w has to push out
mongo [1k\]: g9
ctdogpdf: meaning j7 is safe and w keeps running
Azabache [3d\]: i meant j7
FAKENEWSS: h9 only
ctdogpdf: unless h9 f8 l8 ?
Azabache [3d\]: coordinates disabled
]
;W[ek]WL[1929.094]C[mongo [1k\]: ah interesting
]
;B[gk]BL[1896.729]C[Azabache [3d\]: So, J7 was a very strong move.
]
;W[el]WL[1917.609]
;B[mq]BL[1889.646]C[ctdogpdf: b looks good now
ctdogpdf: j9 like a crazy person
mongo [1k\]: dirty and hairy?
redreoicy [6d\]: h9 fight!
mongo [1k\]: f16
]
;W[ik]WL[1786.576]
;B[jk]BL[1886.757]
;W[ij]WL[1783.09]
;B[jj]BL[1885.136]
;W[ii]WL[1780.231]C[mongo [1k\]: always fighting..
mongo [1k\]: this fight will go on for the next 50 moves
]
;B[om]BL[1824.297]C[mongo [1k\]: finally
]
;W[on]WL[1751.568]
;B[qo]BL[1803.387]
;W[ro]WL[1742.42]
;B[rp]BL[1800.145]
;W[rq]WL[1735.092]
;B[pn]BL[1797.124]C[soundpost [6k\]: wow
josuke: so
josuke: what happens if white connects at r7, and then after black goes p8, whtie cuts at n2
ctdogpdf: someone has to die it seems
mongo [1k\]: n6 ?
Lambic12 [1k\]: this game is for learning us, poor newbies, what a clean shape is
Azabache [3d\]: K5 may work soon
ctdogpdf: r7
mafutrct [-\]: the cut at n2 is less danger because p4 is sente
]
;W[rm]WL[1587.41]
;B[pl]BL[1793.42]
;W[qm]WL[1584.519]C[josuke: but then s6 loses its value
]
;B[no]BL[1773.748]C[mafutrct [-\]: that sounds right
sh [5k\]: Hi mafutrct
]
;W[nm]WL[1480.929]C[mongo [1k\]: b seems better now..
mongo [1k\]: to me..
josuke: i think white in control
josuke: as long as white keeps the p7 group and the k7 group split and doesnt die that is
josuke: if we consider that c17 and q16 are the same size, and the bottom right and bottom left corner as the same
josuke: then white has the g9 stones in his mouth, and komi
mongo [1k\]: i thot n6 not o5
Sorry [8d\]: p8 l8 k8 o8
]
;B[mn]BL[1652.033]C[josuke: uh
josuke: l8?
mongo [1k\]: not as good now..
mongo [1k\]: imo
josuke: what does black do if white l8 right not
josuke: seems like no good move
Sorry [8d\]: l8 o8
mongo [1k\]: 2 l8 for l8
josuke: taking the o6stones
josuke: and giving up the four in the center
josuke: would be pretty good for white ya
josuke: and he gets sente
Kellan [?\]: More than 4 stones in center
Kellan [?\]: And they are cutting stones
Azabache [3d\]: center is a group, not simply stones
]
;W[mm]WL[1198.36]C[Kellan [?\]: You mean give up j9 group?
josuke: so this way, white gets the k7 stones, but also makes it so that the o7 stones have more aji
josuke: i like it
]
;B[lm]BL[1537.98]
;W[km]WL[1190.821]C[mongo [1k\]: what else..
]
;B[ll]BL[1533.323]C[josuke: k8, then black p7
josuke: er 8
Azabache [3d\]: everybody eats 4 stones
redreoicy [6d\]: munch munch
josuke: better for whtie tho
redreoicy [6d\]: everybody eats 4 stones, then white wins
mongo [1k\]: oops supper time
]
;W[jl]WL[1126.186]
;B[ol]BL[1531.703]C[josuke: white eats 4 in sente
josuke: and gets a lot of aji
josuke: with the four
mongo [1k\]: yeah w capture big
josuke: white goes r9, or simply r17
josuke: and this looks in the bag
]
;W[qc]WL[1099.728]
;B[pc]BL[1507.319]
;W[qd]WL[1096.581]C[Kellan [?\]: Oh, those 4:)
]
;B[qe]BL[1493.966]
;W[re]WL[1094.008]
;B[rf]BL[1492.697]
;W[pb]WL[1079.04]
;B[ob]BL[1480.51]
;W[oc]WL[1075.423]
;B[pe]BL[1479.52]
;W[nb]WL[1072.97]
;B[qb]BL[1478.79]C[josuke: nice
]
;W[oa]WL[1071.851]
;B[rb]BL[1478.072]C[josuke: this is good for w
josuke: k16
josuke: huge point
Kellan [?\]: I agree
josuke: or even o16
josuke: 15*
Kellan [?\]: Great for w
josuke: l17 for safety
josuke: but either way, very nice
]
;W[cj]WL[1020.858]C[Sorry [8d\]: w's not worried about b developing
Sorry [8d\]: right side is open for w to invade
josuke: ya r9 hole
josuke: always there
]
;B[mc]BL[1453.655]C[Sorry [8d\]: m17 ?
josuke: i dont like c10 tho
redreoicy [6d\]: really q18 isn't a good move but white is too far ahead...
josuke: c10 feels like giving black a chance
]
;W[kc]WL[975.92]C[josuke: natural follow
]
;B[dd]BL[1444.192]
;W[dc]WL[965.397]
;B[ed]BL[1442.387]
;W[fc]WL[961.694]C[josuke: minju playing well
josuke: glad to see
]
;B[ec]BL[1299.103]
;W[eb]WL[957.225]
;B[cd]BL[1298.344]
;W[bc]WL[883.517]
;B[fd]BL[1267.591]
;W[gc]WL[881.085]
;B[gd]BL[1260.25]
;W[hd]WL[874.678]
;B[he]BL[1258.242]
;W[id]WL[813.28]
;B[db]BL[1242.463]
;W[fb]WL[810.655]
;B[ch]BL[1202.959]
;W[nd]WL[794.596]
;B[ne]BL[1193.824]
;W[kl]WL[767.928]C[njs [3d\]: whats the point of that wall
josuke: :/
ctdogpdf: walling
njs [3d\]: so black is lost then i guess
ctdogpdf: game looks even to me
ctdogpdf: maybe b slightly better
josuke: nah, black behind
]
;B[rk]BL[928.504]C[josuke: l8 was kinda bad tho
josuke: but following with m9 isnt too bad
]
;W[qk]WL[618.305]
;B[ql]BL[920.256]
;W[rl]WL[616.973]
;B[rj]BL[917.146]C[Sorry [8d\]: o9 ?
josuke: r11 seems like a nice probe
]
;W[mo]WL[504.5]
;B[ml]BL[910.485]C[ctdogpdf: i like b
]
;W[ln]WL[491.091]
;B[nl]BL[908.349]
;W[mn]WL[489.9]C[josuke: honestly dont like this trade for white
njs [3d\]: n16 need
josuke: i feel like he coulda got a lot more value
Sorry [8d\]: me neither
Sorry [8d\]: perhaps he's preparing for l2 ?
josuke: that seems far fetched
josuke: like hes winning
Sorry [8d\]: a long ko for sure
josuke: no need to play the ko
Kellan [?\]: Is this sentence against bottom group?
Kellan [?\]: Sente
josuke: i dont think so
Sorry [8d\]: cut seems fairly large
leelaqi [9d\]: l2 seems pretty dangerous
Sorry [8d\]: ^
josuke: ^
josuke: perhaps
Harmonic [7d\]: o2 fine for b
josuke: but black doesnt have time to fix that ya
Sorry [8d\]: looks severe
josuke: hm
josuke: if black fixes here, then ig uess this sequence was pretty good for him
josuke: for white
]
;B[nr]BL[706.397]C[redreoicy [6d\]: cut should be too small for now
josuke: ^
]
;W[ns]WL[479.683]C[josuke: well gj minju
josuke: i for one did not see this sequence as viable at first xd
]
;B[ms]BL[615.386]
;W[os]WL[475.385]
;B[ks]BL[614.355]C[SuperAwe [3k\]: Huge ko
josuke: so is it n16 or m10
SuperAwe [3k\]: Nvm
]
;W[mi]WL[441.216]C[njs [3d\]: 2 points is huge ko?
josuke: xD
SuperAwe [3k\]: My bad
SuperAwe [3k\]: I misread
josuke: well hey guys, was fun, hope to see you all tomorrow
SuperAwe [3k\]: Bye
josuke: enjoy the rest of these games
]
;B[ni]BL[555.72]
;W[nh]WL[352.053]
;B[mh]BL[552.79]
;W[nj]WL[184.368]
;B[oi]BL[549.276]
;W[li]WL[181.863]
;B[lh]BL[541.241]
;W[oj]WL[84.155]
;B[pj]BL[534.971]
;W[ng]WL[76.712]
;B[ph]BL[423.262]
;W[me]WL[62.603]
;B[md]BL[412.057]
;W[oe]WL[30]OW[8]
;B[od]BL[407.111]
;W[nc]WL[30]OW[8]
;B[of]BL[405.731]
;W[nf]WL[30]OW[8]C[Sorry [8d\]: fierce
Sorry [8d\]: must be from the pushups
njs [3d\]: m15
njs [3d\]: how can black win from here
]
;B[le]BL[11.345]C[njs [3d\]: I hope ther's a miracle
]
;W[oe]WL[30]OW[8]
;B[fn]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[fm]WL[30]OW[8]
;B[ne]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[mf]WL[30]OW[8]
;B[mb]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[oe]WL[30]OW[8]
;B[kd]BL[30]OB[9]
;W[lb]WL[30]OW[8]C[njs [3d\]: k17 ig
Grunman [1k\]: b got 9p btw
]
;B[ma]BL[30]OB[9]C[njs [3d\]: we know
]
;W[pf]WL[30]OW[8]
;B[qf]BL[30]OB[9]C[njs [3d\]: it says at the top of the game
]
;W[og]WL[30]OW[8]C[sh [5k\]: is there anyone got classic tsumego collection in sgf form,thank you
]
;B[kh]BL[30]OB[9]
;W[pg]WL[30]OW[8]
;B[qg]BL[30]OB[9]
;W[kg]WL[30]OW[8]
;B[ie]BL[30]OB[9]
;W[lf]WL[30]OW[7]
;B[jc]BL[30]OB[9]
;W[kj]WL[30]OW[6]C[Grunman [1k\]: there is Cho Chikun's encyclopedia of Life&Death, i guess it's not hard to find it
]
;B[ki]BL[30]OB[9]
;W[lk]WL[30]OW[6]C[njs [3d\]: k11 or?
Grunman [1k\]: cool connection
njs [3d\]: i guess n10 first
]
;B[ji]BL[30]OB[8]C[njs [3d\]: or not
njs [3d\]: lol
]
;W[kk]WL[30]OW[6]
;B[ih]BL[30]OB[8]C[njs [3d\]: white winning seems less certain now
]
;W[jg]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[jh]BL[30]OB[8]
;W[if]WL[30]OW[5]C[sh [5k\]: koyo please check my pm,you are so much into this game lol
]
;B[hf]BL[30]OB[8]
;W[hg]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[hh]BL[30]OB[8]
;W[ig]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[gh]BL[30]OB[6]
;W[gg]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[fh]BL[30]OB[6]
;W[je]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[kb]BL[30]OB[6]
;W[eg]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[eh]BL[30]OB[6]
;W[dg]WL[30]OW[4]C[Kellan [?\]: Mingjiu is killing something
lonepeak: black seems somewho weak for 9p(
]
;B[dh]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[cg]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[ge]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[fg]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[jd]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[ib]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[ke]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[jf]WL[30]OW[4]C[njs [3d\]: i guess k13 better than j12? idk
ranyee [2k\]: no chance
Sorry [8d\]: it's over
])
(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[3600]OT[10x30 byo-yomi]
PW[mingjiu]PB[cloudnotes]WR[7p]DT[2018-08-24]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[cloudnotes [-\]: Hello, goo dluck
]RE[W+Resign]
;B[pd]BL[3588.953]
;W[dd]WL[3565.664]
;B[dp]BL[3586.499]
;W[qp]WL[3527.165]
;B[oq]BL[3585.147]
;W[pn]WL[3501.439]
;B[cc]BL[3583.455]C[kmr [2d\]: Before strong bots, Q6 was rather rare, now its one of most frequent responses to low kakari
]
;W[cd]WL[3325.956]
;B[dc]BL[3579.912]
;W[ec]WL[3283.727]
;B[eb]BL[3578.451]
;W[fb]WL[3275.779]
;B[fc]BL[3575.398]
;W[ed]WL[3273.215]
;B[gb]BL[3574.446]
;W[db]WL[3269.084]
;B[fa]BL[3573.696]
;W[cb]WL[3268.419]
;B[ql]BL[3572.68]C[DapperDan [1d\]: White is really thinking
]
;W[lp]WL[3048.236]
;B[jq]BL[3364.441]C[akinn [5k?\]: m3?
vaansama [-\]: oh old joseki
]
;W[qf]WL[2854.127]
;B[np]BL[3294.811]C[kmr [2d\]: omg, almosty like Shusaku kosumi!
]
;W[qi]WL[2752.497]C[kmr [2d\]: O6 looks nice for black
]
;B[pj]BL[3244.999]
;W[qj]WL[2729.948]
;B[nn]BL[3142.1]C[goodvibes [1k\]: Does anyone know if these two have ever played each other before ?
Xpert [4d\]: yes
kmr [2d\]: i think many times
kmr [2d\]: several years ago, it would be huge surprise if Andy win, but now i guess most people would bet on him
spacetime [4d\]: I think Andy's been at least as strong as Mingjiu, Fengyun, other retired pros in the US for a long time. He beat both of them in 2009 for to win the Ing Masters, for example
]
;W[pl]WL[2524.604]
;B[pk]BL[3120.098]
;W[ol]WL[2520.847]
;B[qk]BL[3116.49]
;W[qm]WL[2517.492]C[goodvibes [1k\]: awesome, thanks for the background story!
kmr [2d\]: damn Spacetime, its already 2018 and it was in 2009 lol, time flies too fast
lAmaterasu [1d\]: ＊Who is Cloudnotes?
]
;B[nj]BL[3047.284]C[lAmaterasu [1d\]: .
]
;W[ml]WL[2509.144]C[kmr [2d\]: Andy Liu 1p
lAmaterasu [1d\]: Thanks
kmr [2d\]: you welcome
spacetime [4d\]: Shameless plug - if you want to see the story of How Andy became the first American Pro, watch "The Surrounding Game", which will be on Netflix next Month!
frankly: I can second that - it was really worth watching.
frankly: Very well made, and with a surprising amount of humor.
goodvibes [1k\]: oh you are Will? Yeah that documentary was awesome, congratulations
]
;B[qq]BL[2964.127]C[kmr [2d\]: what is "shameless plug" ?
anayami [?\]: Yep! It's the reason I and quite a few friends picked Go up again
spacetime [4d\]: hey thanks!
]
;W[rq]WL[2465.819]
;B[pp]BL[2961.465]
;W[qo]WL[2458.111]C[Petrosian [3k\]: M6?
]
;B[ph]BL[2885.514]
;W[of]WL[2370.619]
;B[qh]BL[2881.033]
;W[nd]WL[2367.191]C[lAmaterasu [1d\]: oh I'm from Latin America, I think we'll have to wait for it to come out on netflix here, I hope it's soon! : D
fly [1k\]: interesting trade
]
;B[nc]BL[2864.039]C[fly [1k\]: w will build a wall then attack the ponuki?
Petrosian [3k\]: looks good for b
Petrosian [3k\]: ponnuki is already strong
fly [1k\]: So, what is w's plan?
XXNINJAXX [4d\]: Build a wall then attack the ponnuki doesn't sound like a plan I'd ever want to have
]
;W[qc]WL[2268.763]C[randaoms: the reason you are only 4d
rubicon [3d\]: i love this move
fly [1k\]: Huh, steal the corner...
Petrosian [3k\]: i thought that looked nice
dash [-\]: s14 idea
Petrosian [3k\]: B has to defend at q17?
Petrosian [3k\]: Or will R16 work?
rubicon [3d\]: i dont think q17 is good
Petrosian [3k\]: maybe r16 will work
fly [1k\]: p15 might be fun
kmr [2d\]: attacking black ponnuki is rahter hard to achieve
rubicon [3d\]: r16 probably is much better
fly [1k\]: ...or n16 to use the awesome power of the ponuki you all seem to like?
dreamz [9d\]: r16 looks required
rubicon [3d\]: R16 Q17 P17 S16 ?
Petrosian [3k\]: S16?
rubicon [3d\]: oh just cut
dreamz [9d\]: yes and then white gets his broken shape again
rubicon [3d\]: seems complicated though
goodvibes [1k\]: poo
goodvibes [1k\]: plz excuse me, my younger sister grabbed the keyboard
rubicon [3d\]: i dont think it works petrosian
monstralex [10k?\]: ?
Petrosian [3k\]: well i was thinking p16 instead of p17
]
;B[qd]BL[2595.85]C[Petrosian [3k\]: b will have running fight with p14 i think
fly [1k\]: if s16 s15 s14 threatens to save the R11 stones
fly [1k\]: so Mr dreamz: what will w do?
rubicon [3d\]: i think he has to q17, right?
dreamz [9d\]: q17 ofc
fly [1k\]: Then why is he thinking?
rubicon [3d\]: but maybe mingjiu will surprise us
rubicon [3d\]: he is reading
dreamz [9d\]: if s16 black would play q17
rubicon [3d\]: yes then maybe w r18?
Petrosian [3k\]: but is s16 good here?
rubicon [3d\]: but no, i think w will play q17
rubicon [3d\]: s16 is usually considered "soft"
GodofGo [9d\]: depending on the sequence he prefers he could choose maybe p17 or p16 to force it
fly [1k\]: oh... p17 makes n17 sente?
dreamz [9d\]: Here though if you try to play p17 or p16 black can q17
GodofGo [9d\]: is that necessarily bad?
GodofGo [9d\]: hm maybe corner's still big
]
;W[pc]WL[1881.95]C[dreamz [9d\]: locally bad
GodofGo [9d\]: yeah this is the natural one
]
;B[oc]BL[2578.81]
;W[od]WL[1879.804]C[rubicon [3d\]: i dont see any other sequence than this one
]
;B[rc]BL[2577.14]C[fly [1k\]: ha! 5 minutes to play the obvious move...
]
;W[rb]WL[1876.25]
;B[rd]BL[2574.779]C[GodofGo [9d\]: q18
rubicon [3d\]: yes there's some sort of ko there
GodofGo [9d\]: do not like this for b
rubicon [3d\]: i dont like it for w...
]
;W[pb]WL[1826.697]C[rubicon [3d\]: lol
Petrosian [3k\]: N17 or S14?
rubicon [3d\]: surely not s14
]
;B[ob]BL[2534.221]C[rubicon [3d\]: yes this
GodofGo [9d\]: q19
rubicon [3d\]: R19 P19 Q19 T18 ?
Petrosian [3k\]: whaa
rubicon [3d\]: hmm no
GodofGo [9d\]: or just r19 lol
rubicon [3d\]: R19 M17 T18 S14
dreamz [9d\]: I think r19 but it's very similar
]
;W[qa]WL[1731.119]C[fly [1k\]: so, ko?
GodofGo [9d\]: nah w won't t18
kmr [2d\]: i smell ko
rubicon [3d\]: probably not kmr
kmr [2d\]: thats bad
kmr [2d\]: i like ko
dreamz [9d\]: it's possible for white to kill s17
rubicon [3d\]: i think its not a great ko for b
]
;B[lc]BL[2495.978]C[rubicon [3d\]: N17 N18 N16 P19 Q19 L18 T18 S14
Petrosian [3k\]: so doesn't S14 connect?
GodofGo [9d\]: wait a minute...
dreamz [9d\]: s13 s12 t17
]
;W[rg]WL[1635.112]C[GodofGo [9d\]: yeah
]
;B[oa]BL[2488.851]C[rubicon [3d\]: ignore
fly [1k\]: good call
]
;W[pa]WL[1631.078]
;B[sb]BL[2485.948]C[dreamz [9d\]: oh black refuses to sacrifice
GodofGo [9d\]: can't respond obviously
rubicon [3d\]: we got our wish
rubicon [3d\]: ko
]
;W[rh]WL[1625.315]C[GodofGo [9d\]: so annoying for b
dreamz [9d\]: Well you can respond it is just a sacrifice
rubicon [3d\]: its almost dead though, right?
fly [1k\]: why didn't w throw-in at t17 first?
]
;B[md]BL[2458.788]C[Fantleroy [?\]: this looks pretty unpleasant
rubicon [3d\]: w can throwin at any time fly
fly [1k\]: Huh, after teh ko starts?
rubicon [3d\]: if b starts the ko, w doesnt care
rubicon [3d\]: but b doesnt want to start the ko, thats super slow
fly [1k\]: ah...
dreamz [9d\]: the throwin isn't good for white
rubicon [3d\]: its a good ko threat
kmr [2d\]: now ko looks liek inevitable
]
;W[mf]WL[1539.331]C[Fantleroy [?\]: it makes the ko two-steps, right ?
dreamz [9d\]: throwin isn't a threat
randaoms: corner is way too small
rubicon [3d\]: it theatens to live?
dreamz [9d\]: yes throwin makes the ko harder for white to win
rubicon [3d\]: i dont mean a local threat
Petrosian [3k\]: w cant play it as a threat bc b would win the ko by capturing
rubicon [3d\]: i mean a ko threat in general
]
;B[lj]BL[2401.189]C[Petrosian [3k\]: oh, for another ko?
dreamz [9d\]: oh but it's very damaging as a ko threat
Petrosian [3k\]: I suppose so, but dreamz said it would still be bad
rubicon [3d\]: yeah, i mean t17 is a waste of a ko threat
dreamz [9d\]: loses at least 5 points
rubicon [3d\]: also, like dreamz said it loses a lib
fly [1k\]: dreamz: excuse my brain, but would you be so kind as to explain why it loses 5+ points?
Fantleroy [?\]: as it stands, black doesn't need to play a ko to capture the 6 white stones
rubicon [3d\]: lets say w wants to start the ko
rubicon [3d\]: w would play s15 first
fly [1k\]: (er... *lack* of brain)
rubicon [3d\]: if b captures
]
;W[kl]WL[1419.017]C[rubicon [3d\]: after the ko, the lives
]
;B[jj]BL[2386.564]C[dreamz [9d\]: when black makes a ko at s19, if white captures at t17 white is alive ko over
rubicon [3d\]: if w had sacrificed 1 stone, it would be a ko for a ko
dreamz [9d\]: if there is a black stone at t16 white cannot end the ko in one move
fly [1k\]: ah, right; thank you
Petrosian [3k\]: ah, of course
Petrosian [3k\]: don't blindly throw in!
]
;W[ko]WL[1341.095]C[Fantleroy [?\]: i wonder how many semeais i lost because of a throw-in I played
Petrosian [3k\]: well often it is good
Petrosian [3k\]: tesuji
Petrosian [3k\]: just not here.
]
;B[kp]BL[2313.624]C[ZhiangT: You can make opponents dead group alive by throwing in
Petrosian [3k\]: that's interesting
Petrosian [3k\]: L4, i mean
fly [1k\]: "angle wedge"!
Fantleroy [?\]: I would have expected smth like m2
]
;W[ip]WL[1284.984]C[DapperDan [1d\]: Complicated
]
;B[lq]BL[2296.859]C[Petrosian [3k\]: ok i never would have considered j4
]
;W[cn]WL[1265.725]C[spacetime [4d\]: L4 shows why I know nothing
]
;B[bo]BL[2283.365]C[dreamz [9d\]: l4 is cool
Petrosian [3k\]: makes me feel better if a 4d says that
Fantleroy [?\]: ok guys, who do you prefer here ?
kmr [2d\]: L4 might be not good move, but i am way too weak to judge, just might
randaoms: white
dreamz [9d\]: prefer black
frankly: black
Petrosian [3k\]: ya black
frozensoul [9d?\]: the position is interesting
]
;W[dk]WL[1214.659]C[rubicon [3d\]: i like b too
Petrosian [3k\]: although b has to win ko in top right, don't know if that's easy or not
]
;B[bf]BL[2271.138]C[Petrosian [3k\]: can anyone explain why b played B5?
fly [1k\]: how much will it cost b to make that weak group safe?
kmr [2d\]: to protect corner
Petrosian [3k\]: rather than a simple c5 or c4?
Petrosian [3k\]: or b4?
randaoms: it will cost 10
]
;W[bd]WL[1161.171]
;B[ci]BL[2267.678]C[Fantleroy [?\]: maybe because f3 white next won't be very severe ?
]
;W[cj]WL[1142.547]
;B[di]BL[2264.516]
;W[fj]WL[1139.49]C[fly [1k\]: w tries to give b two weak groups?
Fantleroy [?\]: f10 was played in 3 seconds, wow
Petrosian [3k\]: yeah
Petrosian [3k\]: it is natural looking
frozensoul [9d?\]: standard
Petrosian [3k\]: but i probably would have missed it
randaoms: petrosian
randaoms: 99% of us would have
Fantleroy [?\]: I would try to be extra careful about playing instantly moves i consider standard in a middle-game situation
dreamz [9d\]: All the thinking for f10 probably came the move before
dreamz [9d\]: since white knew black would extend after the kick
Fantleroy [?\]: but for sure a 7p is not to be fooled like me
GodofGo [9d\]: it's just standard pretty much..
frozensoul [9d?\]: yea
frozensoul [9d?\]: you kick to play this move
frozensoul [9d?\]: if black was afraid he wouldnt have nobid
fly [1k\]: Uh... *when* is it standard after the kick
Petrosian [3k\]: it's v nice to split k10
]
;B[fh]BL[2104.218]C[Petrosian [3k\]: honstely i'm not sure i've ever seen it quite like that
frozensoul [9d?\]: variations similar to this are in quite a few games lol
frozensoul [9d?\]: make black heavy then surround
frozensoul [9d?\]: simple idea
fly [1k\]: When w is setting up to attack a group to the right, or just to get out to the center?
Petrosian [3k\]: yes, i like it very much, but it doesn't look standard to me.
]
;W[hi]WL[1095.78]
;B[ik]BL[2085.214]C[Fantleroy [?\]: i hope w's next move is also a keima
Petrosian [3k\]: k12?
Petrosian [3k\]: g8?
Fantleroy [?\]: any
Petrosian [3k\]: i'm just going to list all the keima
Fantleroy [?\]: no, please
Petrosian [3k\]: e5?
Fantleroy [?\]: that would be a lot of them
Petrosian [3k\]: well, n2 doesn't count
Petrosian [3k\]: not too many
Petrosian [3k\]: g15
Fantleroy [?\]: s1 does, though
Petrosian [3k\]: that's not keima
Petrosian [3k\]: you mean r1?
Fantleroy [?\]: no, r3 to s1
fly [1k\]: How will w continue?
Petrosian [3k\]: we're doing this for w stones
]
;W[gg]WL[978.216]C[Petrosian [3k\]: haha
Fantleroy [?\]: ah, yes, for some reason i inverted colors
Fantleroy [?\]: yes ! yes !!!
Petrosian [3k\]: i didn't list that one though
]
;B[fg]BL[2061.786]C[Petrosian [3k\]: more thorough next time
Petrosian [3k\]: f14
]
;W[gf]WL[963.892]C[fly [1k\]: w will build strength attacking this side then return to the center group?
]
;B[df]BL[2054.836]C[Sorry [8d\]: appears to be his plan
Petrosian [3k\]: which center group?
ZhiangT: which tournament is this?
Petrosian [3k\]: d9?
Petrosian [3k\]: Tianfu Cup Preliminary
Fantleroy [?\]: the black group in the center
Petrosian [3k\]: oh right
dreamz [9d\]: must fix e9
Petrosian [3k\]: d14 is alive?
ZhiangT: yes, i think
fly [1k\]: fix it with f8?
]
;W[ki]WL[858.527]C[Petrosian [3k\]: yes more keima
Petrosian [3k\]: no.
dreamz [9d\]: g8 or h9 is faster
frozensoul [9d?\]: whites outside shape isnt really strong enough to kill
frozensoul [9d?\]: so black should be fine
]
;B[kj]BL[2044.127]C[Petrosian [3k\]: thats what i thought
frozensoul [9d?\]: in similar situations, if you lean on the white group with the center black stones to get the middle healthy then white might have some ideas of attacking severely
frozensoul [9d?\]: but atm prob not
Fantleroy [?\]: what would be a satisfying way to protect e9 ?
Petrosian [3k\]: then white would attack what?
fly [1k\]: so... is the L10 group in trouble?
frozensoul [9d?\]: the left
]
;W[ef]WL[772.162]C[GodofGo [9d\]: w's gonna attack top first
dreamz [9d\]: e9 lets go
GodofGo [9d\]: yeah b's gotta counter
dreamz [9d\]: this is tragic to play there while e9 is available
]
;B[eg]BL[2018.593]C[GodofGo [9d\]: oof
GodofGo [9d\]: h17
fly [1k\]: h17? No, no; I've been told you can't attack that ponuki!
Fantleroy [?\]: fake news, fly
Petrosian [3k\]: h17??
]
;W[hc]WL[696.831]C[Petrosian [3k\]: omg
Fantleroy [?\]: good call
GodofGo [9d\]: i mean.. he played e14 for a reason
ZhiangT: j17
dreamz [9d\]: still e9
Fantleroy [?\]: visual representation of a leaning attack
MagnusC [8d?\]: Shape point also standard
dreamz [9d\]: Just play e9 is my new motto
fly [1k\]: No, really, a player I trusted claimed there was no point to attacking it!
GodofGo [9d\]: is e9 really that big?
supernova [7d\]: not at all
GodofGo [9d\]: w can just ladder it now
]
;B[ic]BL[1945.89]C[dreamz [9d\]: I would be happy to take c8
]
;W[id]WL[686.445]
;B[ib]BL[1940.531]C[Fantleroy [?\]: but then, quite some trouble in the center, no ?
kmr [2d\]: as black i would fear for L10 group for sure
Petrosian [3k\]: h17 is just sente reduction?
dreamz [9d\]: the black e13 group isn't alive yet
dreamz [9d\]: so it's nice to get points while living with it
sh [5k\]: What is the status of r19
Fantleroy [?\]: egg is the status
Petrosian [3k\]: b will have to kill eventually
ZhiangT: e13 not alive? how to kill?
]
;W[hl]WL[623.944]C[Fantleroy [?\]: b can kill without ko in one move
GodofGo [9d\]: called it
GodofGo [9d\]: in my head
fly [1k\]: w can make ko by s15?
]
;B[ng]BL[1927.128]C[Fantleroy [?\]: w can force a ko whenever he wants
]
;W[nf]WL[612.506]C[Fantleroy [?\]: that's cheating, godofgo
GodofGo [9d\]: wanted to do this after n11 but w prob can't get away fully with n11 sente
UBIK [2k\]: is b ahead?
dreamz [9d\]: c13 c14 b11 b12 b10
Fantleroy [?\]: on the board, most likely
Petrosian [3k\]: as long as j9 lives b should be ok
randaoms: how can b be ahead off the board?
]
;B[lh]BL[1873.758]C[Jake [1k\]: how solid is d4?
Petrosian [3k\]: he stands up
Fantleroy [?\]: ↑
Fantleroy [?\]: also, he is ahead on the clock
MagnusC [8d?\]: D4 isnt relevent atm
Jake [1k\]: ok
Fantleroy [?\]: what I meant is that, black has some issues with two groups and some ko aji, but otherwise he's ahead
Petrosian [3k\]: maybe w is making ko threats?
fly [1k\]: If he loses a big group, he is *not* ahead!
agcStupGod [9d\]: obvious w is ahead
GodofGo [9d\]: yeah c13 locally kills but prob wouldn't kill b
Fantleroy [?\]: ko looks quite small at this stage
Fantleroy [?\]: is that so, agc ?
]
;W[dr]WL[516.644]C[fly [1k\]: lol
Sorry [8d\]: lovely
Petrosian [3k\]: ko will become big
Jake [1k\]: not relevent???
]
;B[dq]BL[1854.1]C[Petrosian [3k\]: i will never understand d2
Fantleroy [?\]: why not ?
randaoms: petrosian, ko will become big only in like 40 moves
agcStupGod [9d\]: and c13 cannot kill that group is alive....
]
;W[er]WL[501.297]C[randaoms: or even more
randaoms: i say 60 moves
justafool [1d\]: lizzie likes white as two is to one
]
;B[cr]BL[1840.27]C[Sorry [8d\]: c5 ?
Petrosian [3k\]: 66%?
agcStupGod [9d\]: b2 now for w
fly [1k\]: "randaoms says: ko will start at move 160"
]
;W[br]WL[480.042]
;B[cs]BL[1830.523]C[randaoms: about that
kmr [2d\]: so 58 moves to go
agcStupGod [9d\]: then b3
agcStupGod [9d\]: or c5
Sorry [8d\]: now c5
GodofGo [9d\]: c555
agcStupGod [9d\]: either way
Petrosian [3k\]: c5?
]
;W[co]WL[448.442]C[Petrosian [3k\]: why?
Sorry [8d\]: read a little bit
agcStupGod [9d\]: common joseki
fly [1k\]: Hey! It's like this is a pattern you strong players know!
Petrosian [3k\]: is it just 1 eye now?
Petrosian [3k\]: i've never seen this
agcStupGod [9d\]: b is okay down there
agcStupGod [9d\]: b3
]
;B[bq]BL[1788.726]C[randaoms: just lost many points
fly [1k\]: Pet: you are 3k! That's why.
agcStupGod [9d\]: c4 again
agcStupGod [9d\]: and time to leave
]
;W[cp]WL[431.464]
;B[cq]BL[1787.782]
;W[bp]WL[421.321]C[MagnusC [8d?\]: @randoms its not points if he could be taken lol
]
;B[gq]BL[1782.665]
;W[iq]WL[419.015]
;B[fp]BL[1772.905]
;W[jd]WL[410.992]C[Petrosian [3k\]: is k16 sente?
randaoms: yes
dreamz [9d\]: no
fly [1k\]: else h17 is nasty
]
;B[jm]BL[1718.006]C[randaoms: haha
Petrosian [3k\]: you mean h18?
dreamz [9d\]: black is good to ignore
fly [1k\]: y
GodofGo [9d\]: it just has a big follow up but not fully sente
dreamz [9d\]: l18 h16
]
;W[jp]WL[374.146]
;B[kq]BL[1715.248]C[fly [1k\]: then k18?
Fantleroy [?\]: l18 h16 l17
Fantleroy [?\]: looks pretty painful
UBIK [2k\]: noob question: isnt r2 big?
Sorry [8d\]: yes, large endgame
randaoms: it is
Sorry [8d\]: very large
Fantleroy [?\]: it is a huge endgame
Petrosian [3k\]: well considering L10 isn't alive, it's still small
randaoms: they just got no time to play
Fantleroy [?\]: like , at least "wow that is a lot of points" points worth
UBIK [2k\]: thx
Petrosian [3k\]: also the L18 sequence seems bigger
randaoms: h16 protects against l18
ZhiangT: @dreamz: c13 b13 c14 c12 c15 b10 b9 b11 a12 e10 e9 f11 is alive?
]
;W[hn]WL[270.252]C[randaoms: among many others, h6 is the kind of move i never think off
fly [1k\]: Where will b make eyes for the center group?
]
;B[in]BL[1687.935]C[Petrosian [3k\]: h6 looks very natural
Petrosian [3k\]: also it's keima, so it's always good
Fantleroy [?\]: ↑↑↑
Sorry [8d\]: black is alive topside
GodofGo [9d\]: c13 just c14
MagnusC [8d?\]: Funny ive died with keimas before :/ lol
ZhiangT: c13 c14 b11 b12 b10 is locally 1 eye?
randaoms: j6 is good
]
;W[ho]WL[169.046]
;B[bi]BL[1686.612]C[Petrosian [3k\]: there you go zhiang
Sorry [8d\]: he loves his points
Sorry [8d\]: no, it was seki life.
GodofGo [9d\]: this is huge
Sorry [8d\]: black could have e11 after your sequence for seki
Sorry [8d\]: but this is huge points wise
]
;W[mq]WL[133.432]C[fly [1k\]: wow
Sorry [8d\]: trying to get k2 ?
fly [1k\]: to fix the aji
Petrosian [3k\]: so Andy needs some magic now to save l10
Petrosian [3k\]: L10
GodofGo [9d\]: definitely k2 next
Sorry [8d\]: yes, nice endgame sequence
Petrosian [3k\]: serious?
fly [1k\]: ...to attack the center?
]
;B[mp]BL[1563.71]
;W[lo]WL[128.67]
;B[mr]BL[1561.935]C[GodofGo [9d\]: ok..
]
;W[mk]WL[115.98]C[GodofGo [9d\]: it's still good enough
Sorry [8d\]: ah, apologize
kmr [2d\]: time to kill
]
;B[ih]BL[1534.261]C[Petrosian [3k\]: kill w kill
]
;W[kh]WL[96.157]C[fly [1k\]: w has time trouble for this difficult attack?
]
;B[kg]BL[1494.572]C[dreamz [9d\]: No killing here only points
]
;W[jg]WL[86.211]C[Petrosian [3k\]: oh wow, who would hae expected Andy to have 25 minutes more than his opponent?
]
;B[jh]BL[1473.159]C[dreamz [9d\]: at the same time black can't win by just living, he has to make enough points at the same time
]
;W[lg]WL[78.399]
;B[kf]BL[1472.241]
;W[li]WL[69.565]C[Sorry [8d\]: eh?
GodofGo [9d\]: oof
]
;B[mj]BL[1465.842]C[GodofGo [9d\]: rip
GodofGo [9d\]: not dead* but still
kmr [2d\]: but...how no killing?!This game without killing is like war without battles
Petrosian [3k\]: will j14 work?
]
;W[jf]WL[45.488]
;B[le]BL[1464.814]
;W[mh]WL[43.351]
;B[if]BL[1461.013]C[Petrosian [3k\]: i guess not
randaoms: oh
]
;W[je]WL[23.93]C[GodofGo [9d\]: w needs to be careful here..
Petrosian [3k\]: will we finally see e9?
]
;B[hk]BL[1447.284]C[dreamz [9d\]: There might be killing after all
Petrosian [3k\]: someone will die
kmr [2d\]: sure thing, killing is essential
GodofGo [9d\]: let's see here how badly w wants to kill..
GodofGo [9d\]: he shouldn't go for it imo lol doesn't need to
fly [1k\]: w kills, w wins?
]
;W[gl]WL[30]OW[9]C[Sorry [8d\]: of course-
fly [1k\]: Oh? w is ahead?
kmr [2d\]: i guess Minjiu would be just happpy with win on poinst, his ego does not need kill, mine need
randaoms: to not touch h16 is convenient for both haha
AlphaG0 [-\]: my ego is bigger than your ego
rubicon [3d\]: b looks ahead to me
]
;B[gj]BL[1396.171]C[spacetime [4d\]: B dead?
]
;W[gi]WL[30]OW[9]C[rubicon [3d\]: if it all lives, that is
Petrosian [3k\]: b just connected?
]
;B[ig]BL[1385.094]C[rubicon [3d\]: im just talking about points, not life&death ^^
]
;W[he]WL[30]OW[9]
;B[gd]BL[1373.539]
;W[hd]WL[30]OW[9]
;B[fi]BL[1357.898]
;W[hb]WL[30]OW[9]C[cloudnotes [-\]: thanks
mingjiu [7p\]: thx
Sorry [8d\]: gg
kmr [2d\]: so, afterall - no ko!
rubicon [3d\]: oh, this kills the top
AGATD [-\]: Congratulations to Ming-jiu Jiang 7P, who, along with Eric Lui 1P will be the North American representatives to the Tianfu Cup!
AGATD [-\]: Thanks to all the participants who have played this week: Dalhoon Ahn 9P, Feng Yun 9P, Ming-jiu Jiang 7P, Andy Liu 1P, Eric Lui 1P, Huiren Yang 1P, Ryan Li 1P, and Stephanie Yin 1P.
fly [1k\]: When is that?
kmr [2d\]: damn, that game was thrilling, gg
Jake [1k\]: gg
fly [1k\]: Thanks AGATD!
AGATD [-\]: It's the end of September in China.
AGATD [-\]: This is Tournament Director Jeff Shaevel, signing off.
lonepeak: i was for cloud, sad he lost(
Petrosian [3k\]: yeah i guess this is too painful
Petrosian [3k\]: or maybe just dead
kmr [2d\]: i wonder where Leela points worst move by black, i still dont like L4
lonepeak: b invastion in the left side seems very bad
kmr [2d\]: you mean B14-C11?yeah that looks suspicous, but what instead?
lonepeak: bot move mb to the d9 stone=)
lonepeak: after f10 - black was behind enemy line
Lsugyen [5d?\]: yes Mingjiu!
])
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[3600]OT[10x30 byo-yomi]
PW[mingjiu]PB[cloudnotes]WR[7p]DT[2018-08-24]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[cloudnotes [-\]: Hello, goo dluck
]RE[W+Resign]
;B[pd]BL[3588.953]
;W[dd]WL[3565.664]
;B[dp]BL[3586.499]
;W[qp]WL[3527.165]
;B[oq]BL[3585.147]
;W[pn]WL[3501.439]
;B[cc]BL[3583.455]C[kmr [2d\]: Before strong bots, Q6 was rather rare, now its one of most frequent responses to low kakari
]
;W[cd]WL[3325.956]
;B[dc]BL[3579.912]
;W[ec]WL[3283.727]
;B[eb]BL[3578.451]
;W[fb]WL[3275.779]
;B[fc]BL[3575.398]
;W[ed]WL[3273.215]
;B[gb]BL[3574.446]
;W[db]WL[3269.084]
;B[fa]BL[3573.696]
;W[cb]WL[3268.419]
;B[ql]BL[3572.68]C[DapperDan [1d\]: White is really thinking
]
;W[lp]WL[3048.236]
;B[jq]BL[3364.441]C[akinn [5k?\]: m3?
vaansama [-\]: oh old joseki
]
;W[qf]WL[2854.127]
;B[np]BL[3294.811]C[kmr [2d\]: omg, almosty like Shusaku kosumi!
]
;W[qi]WL[2752.497]C[kmr [2d\]: O6 looks nice for black
]
;B[pj]BL[3244.999]
;W[qj]WL[2729.948]
;B[nn]BL[3142.1]C[goodvibes [1k\]: Does anyone know if these two have ever played each other before ?
Xpert [4d\]: yes
kmr [2d\]: i think many times
kmr [2d\]: several years ago, it would be huge surprise if Andy win, but now i guess most people would bet on him
spacetime [4d\]: I think Andy's been at least as strong as Mingjiu, Fengyun, other retired pros in the US for a long time. He beat both of them in 2009 for to win the Ing Masters, for example
]
;W[pl]WL[2524.604]
;B[pk]BL[3120.098]
;W[ol]WL[2520.847]
;B[qk]BL[3116.49]
;W[qm]WL[2517.492]C[goodvibes [1k\]: awesome, thanks for the background story!
kmr [2d\]: damn Spacetime, its already 2018 and it was in 2009 lol, time flies too fast
lAmaterasu [1d\]: ＊Who is Cloudnotes?
]
;B[nj]BL[3047.284]C[lAmaterasu [1d\]: .
]
;W[ml]WL[2509.144]C[kmr [2d\]: Andy Liu 1p
lAmaterasu [1d\]: Thanks
kmr [2d\]: you welcome
spacetime [4d\]: Shameless plug - if you want to see the story of How Andy became the first American Pro, watch "The Surrounding Game", which will be on Netflix next Month!
frankly: I can second that - it was really worth watching.
frankly: Very well made, and with a surprising amount of humor.
goodvibes [1k\]: oh you are Will? Yeah that documentary was awesome, congratulations
]
;B[qq]BL[2964.127]C[kmr [2d\]: what is "shameless plug" ?
anayami [?\]: Yep! It's the reason I and quite a few friends picked Go up again
spacetime [4d\]: hey thanks!
]
;W[rq]WL[2465.819]
;B[pp]BL[2961.465]
;W[qo]WL[2458.111]C[Petrosian [3k\]: M6?
]
;B[ph]BL[2885.514]
;W[of]WL[2370.619]
;B[qh]BL[2881.033]
;W[nd]WL[2367.191]C[lAmaterasu [1d\]: oh I'm from Latin America, I think we'll have to wait for it to come out on netflix here, I hope it's soon! : D
fly [1k\]: interesting trade
]
;B[nc]BL[2864.039]C[fly [1k\]: w will build a wall then attack the ponuki?
Petrosian [3k\]: looks good for b
Petrosian [3k\]: ponnuki is already strong
fly [1k\]: So, what is w's plan?
XXNINJAXX [4d\]: Build a wall then attack the ponnuki doesn't sound like a plan I'd ever want to have
]
;W[qc]WL[2268.763]C[randaoms: the reason you are only 4d
rubicon [3d\]: i love this move
fly [1k\]: Huh, steal the corner...
Petrosian [3k\]: i thought that looked nice
dash [-\]: s14 idea
Petrosian [3k\]: B has to defend at q17?
Petrosian [3k\]: Or will R16 work?
rubicon [3d\]: i dont think q17 is good
Petrosian [3k\]: maybe r16 will work
fly [1k\]: p15 might be fun
kmr [2d\]: attacking black ponnuki is rahter hard to achieve
rubicon [3d\]: r16 probably is much better
fly [1k\]: ...or n16 to use the awesome power of the ponuki you all seem to like?
dreamz [9d\]: r16 looks required
rubicon [3d\]: R16 Q17 P17 S16 ?
Petrosian [3k\]: S16?
rubicon [3d\]: oh just cut
dreamz [9d\]: yes and then white gets his broken shape again
rubicon [3d\]: seems complicated though
goodvibes [1k\]: poo
goodvibes [1k\]: plz excuse me, my younger sister grabbed the keyboard
rubicon [3d\]: i dont think it works petrosian
monstralex [10k?\]: ?
Petrosian [3k\]: well i was thinking p16 instead of p17
]
;B[qd]BL[2595.85]C[Petrosian [3k\]: b will have running fight with p14 i think
fly [1k\]: if s16 s15 s14 threatens to save the R11 stones
fly [1k\]: so Mr dreamz: what will w do?
rubicon [3d\]: i think he has to q17, right?
dreamz [9d\]: q17 ofc
fly [1k\]: Then why is he thinking?
rubicon [3d\]: but maybe mingjiu will surprise us
rubicon [3d\]: he is reading
dreamz [9d\]: if s16 black would play q17
rubicon [3d\]: yes then maybe w r18?
Petrosian [3k\]: but is s16 good here?
rubicon [3d\]: but no, i think w will play q17
rubicon [3d\]: s16 is usually considered "soft"
GodofGo [9d\]: depending on the sequence he prefers he could choose maybe p17 or p16 to force it
fly [1k\]: oh... p17 makes n17 sente?
dreamz [9d\]: Here though if you try to play p17 or p16 black can q17
GodofGo [9d\]: is that necessarily bad?
GodofGo [9d\]: hm maybe corner's still big
]
;W[pc]WL[1881.95]C[dreamz [9d\]: locally bad
GodofGo [9d\]: yeah this is the natural one
]
;B[oc]BL[2578.81]
;W[od]WL[1879.804]C[rubicon [3d\]: i dont see any other sequence than this one
]
;B[rc]BL[2577.14]C[fly [1k\]: ha! 5 minutes to play the obvious move...
]
;W[rb]WL[1876.25]
;B[rd]BL[2574.779]C[GodofGo [9d\]: q18
rubicon [3d\]: yes there's some sort of ko there
GodofGo [9d\]: do not like this for b
rubicon [3d\]: i dont like it for w...
]
;W[pb]WL[1826.697]C[rubicon [3d\]: lol
Petrosian [3k\]: N17 or S14?
rubicon [3d\]: surely not s14
]
;B[ob]BL[2534.221]C[rubicon [3d\]: yes this
GodofGo [9d\]: q19
rubicon [3d\]: R19 P19 Q19 T18 ?
Petrosian [3k\]: whaa
rubicon [3d\]: hmm no
GodofGo [9d\]: or just r19 lol
rubicon [3d\]: R19 M17 T18 S14
dreamz [9d\]: I think r19 but it's very similar
]
;W[qa]WL[1731.119]C[fly [1k\]: so, ko?
GodofGo [9d\]: nah w won't t18
kmr [2d\]: i smell ko
rubicon [3d\]: probably not kmr
kmr [2d\]: thats bad
kmr [2d\]: i like ko
dreamz [9d\]: it's possible for white to kill s17
rubicon [3d\]: i think its not a great ko for b
]
;B[lc]BL[2495.978]C[rubicon [3d\]: N17 N18 N16 P19 Q19 L18 T18 S14
Petrosian [3k\]: so doesn't S14 connect?
GodofGo [9d\]: wait a minute...
dreamz [9d\]: s13 s12 t17
]
;W[rg]WL[1635.112]C[GodofGo [9d\]: yeah
]
;B[oa]BL[2488.851]C[rubicon [3d\]: ignore
fly [1k\]: good call
]
;W[pa]WL[1631.078]
;B[sb]BL[2485.948]C[dreamz [9d\]: oh black refuses to sacrifice
GodofGo [9d\]: can't respond obviously
rubicon [3d\]: we got our wish
rubicon [3d\]: ko
]
;W[rh]WL[1625.315]C[GodofGo [9d\]: so annoying for b
dreamz [9d\]: Well you can respond it is just a sacrifice
rubicon [3d\]: its almost dead though, right?
fly [1k\]: why didn't w throw-in at t17 first?
]
;B[md]BL[2458.788]C[Fantleroy [?\]: this looks pretty unpleasant
rubicon [3d\]: w can throwin at any time fly
fly [1k\]: Huh, after teh ko starts?
rubicon [3d\]: if b starts the ko, w doesnt care
rubicon [3d\]: but b doesnt want to start the ko, thats super slow
fly [1k\]: ah...
dreamz [9d\]: the throwin isn't good for white
rubicon [3d\]: its a good ko threat
kmr [2d\]: now ko looks liek inevitable
]
;W[mf]WL[1539.331]C[Fantleroy [?\]: it makes the ko two-steps, right ?
dreamz [9d\]: throwin isn't a threat
randaoms: corner is way too small
rubicon [3d\]: it theatens to live?
dreamz [9d\]: yes throwin makes the ko harder for white to win
rubicon [3d\]: i dont mean a local threat
Petrosian [3k\]: w cant play it as a threat bc b would win the ko by capturing
rubicon [3d\]: i mean a ko threat in general
]
;B[lj]BL[2401.189]C[Petrosian [3k\]: oh, for another ko?
dreamz [9d\]: oh but it's very damaging as a ko threat
Petrosian [3k\]: I suppose so, but dreamz said it would still be bad
rubicon [3d\]: yeah, i mean t17 is a waste of a ko threat
dreamz [9d\]: loses at least 5 points
rubicon [3d\]: also, like dreamz said it loses a lib
fly [1k\]: dreamz: excuse my brain, but would you be so kind as to explain why it loses 5+ points?
Fantleroy [?\]: as it stands, black doesn't need to play a ko to capture the 6 white stones
rubicon [3d\]: lets say w wants to start the ko
rubicon [3d\]: w would play s15 first
fly [1k\]: (er... *lack* of brain)
rubicon [3d\]: if b captures
]
;W[kl]WL[1419.017]C[rubicon [3d\]: after the ko, the lives
]
;B[jj]BL[2386.564]C[dreamz [9d\]: when black makes a ko at s19, if white captures at t17 white is alive ko over
rubicon [3d\]: if w had sacrificed 1 stone, it would be a ko for a ko
dreamz [9d\]: if there is a black stone at t16 white cannot end the ko in one move
fly [1k\]: ah, right; thank you
Petrosian [3k\]: ah, of course
Petrosian [3k\]: don't blindly throw in!
]
;W[ko]WL[1341.095]C[Fantleroy [?\]: i wonder how many semeais i lost because of a throw-in I played
Petrosian [3k\]: well often it is good
Petrosian [3k\]: tesuji
Petrosian [3k\]: just not here.
]
;B[kp]BL[2313.624]C[ZhiangT: You can make opponents dead group alive by throwing in
Petrosian [3k\]: that's interesting
Petrosian [3k\]: L4, i mean
fly [1k\]: "angle wedge"!
Fantleroy [?\]: I would have expected smth like m2
]
;W[ip]WL[1284.984]C[DapperDan [1d\]: Complicated
]
;B[lq]BL[2296.859]C[Petrosian [3k\]: ok i never would have considered j4
]
;W[cn]WL[1265.725]C[spacetime [4d\]: L4 shows why I know nothing
]
;B[bo]BL[2283.365]C[dreamz [9d\]: l4 is cool
Petrosian [3k\]: makes me feel better if a 4d says that
Fantleroy [?\]: ok guys, who do you prefer here ?
kmr [2d\]: L4 might be not good move, but i am way too weak to judge, just might
randaoms: white
dreamz [9d\]: prefer black
frankly: black
Petrosian [3k\]: ya black
frozensoul [9d?\]: the position is interesting
]
;W[dk]WL[1214.659]C[rubicon [3d\]: i like b too
Petrosian [3k\]: although b has to win ko in top right, don't know if that's easy or not
]
;B[bf]BL[2271.138]C[Petrosian [3k\]: can anyone explain why b played B5?
fly [1k\]: how much will it cost b to make that weak group safe?
kmr [2d\]: to protect corner
Petrosian [3k\]: rather than a simple c5 or c4?
Petrosian [3k\]: or b4?
randaoms: it will cost 10
]
;W[bd]WL[1161.171]
;B[ci]BL[2267.678]C[Fantleroy [?\]: maybe because f3 white next won't be very severe ?
]
;W[cj]WL[1142.547]
;B[di]BL[2264.516]
;W[fj]WL[1139.49]C[fly [1k\]: w tries to give b two weak groups?
Fantleroy [?\]: f10 was played in 3 seconds, wow
Petrosian [3k\]: yeah
Petrosian [3k\]: it is natural looking
frozensoul [9d?\]: standard
Petrosian [3k\]: but i probably would have missed it
randaoms: petrosian
randaoms: 99% of us would have
Fantleroy [?\]: I would try to be extra careful about playing instantly moves i consider standard in a middle-game situation
dreamz [9d\]: All the thinking for f10 probably came the move before
dreamz [9d\]: since white knew black would extend after the kick
Fantleroy [?\]: but for sure a 7p is not to be fooled like me
GodofGo [9d\]: it's just standard pretty much..
frozensoul [9d?\]: yea
frozensoul [9d?\]: you kick to play this move
frozensoul [9d?\]: if black was afraid he wouldnt have nobid
fly [1k\]: Uh... *when* is it standard after the kick
Petrosian [3k\]: it's v nice to split k10
]
;B[fh]BL[2104.218]C[Petrosian [3k\]: honstely i'm not sure i've ever seen it quite like that
frozensoul [9d?\]: variations similar to this are in quite a few games lol
frozensoul [9d?\]: make black heavy then surround
frozensoul [9d?\]: simple idea
fly [1k\]: When w is setting up to attack a group to the right, or just to get out to the center?
Petrosian [3k\]: yes, i like it very much, but it doesn't look standard to me.
]
;W[hi]WL[1095.78]
;B[ik]BL[2085.214]C[Fantleroy [?\]: i hope w's next move is also a keima
Petrosian [3k\]: k12?
Petrosian [3k\]: g8?
Fantleroy [?\]: any
Petrosian [3k\]: i'm just going to list all the keima
Fantleroy [?\]: no, please
Petrosian [3k\]: e5?
Fantleroy [?\]: that would be a lot of them
Petrosian [3k\]: well, n2 doesn't count
Petrosian [3k\]: not too many
Petrosian [3k\]: g15
Fantleroy [?\]: s1 does, though
Petrosian [3k\]: that's not keima
Petrosian [3k\]: you mean r1?
Fantleroy [?\]: no, r3 to s1
fly [1k\]: How will w continue?
Petrosian [3k\]: we're doing this for w stones
]
;W[gg]WL[978.216]C[Petrosian [3k\]: haha
Fantleroy [?\]: ah, yes, for some reason i inverted colors
Fantleroy [?\]: yes ! yes !!!
Petrosian [3k\]: i didn't list that one though
]
;B[fg]BL[2061.786]C[Petrosian [3k\]: more thorough next time
Petrosian [3k\]: f14
]
;W[gf]WL[963.892]C[fly [1k\]: w will build strength attacking this side then return to the center group?
]
;B[df]BL[2054.836]C[Sorry [8d\]: appears to be his plan
Petrosian [3k\]: which center group?
ZhiangT: which tournament is this?
Petrosian [3k\]: d9?
Petrosian [3k\]: Tianfu Cup Preliminary
Fantleroy [?\]: the black group in the center
Petrosian [3k\]: oh right
dreamz [9d\]: must fix e9
Petrosian [3k\]: d14 is alive?
ZhiangT: yes, i think
fly [1k\]: fix it with f8?
]
;W[ki]WL[858.527]C[Petrosian [3k\]: yes more keima
Petrosian [3k\]: no.
dreamz [9d\]: g8 or h9 is faster
frozensoul [9d?\]: whites outside shape isnt really strong enough to kill
frozensoul [9d?\]: so black should be fine
]
;B[kj]BL[2044.127]C[Petrosian [3k\]: thats what i thought
frozensoul [9d?\]: in similar situations, if you lean on the white group with the center black stones to get the middle healthy then white might have some ideas of attacking severely
frozensoul [9d?\]: but atm prob not
Fantleroy [?\]: what would be a satisfying way to protect e9 ?
Petrosian [3k\]: then white would attack what?
fly [1k\]: so... is the L10 group in trouble?
frozensoul [9d?\]: the left
]
;W[ef]WL[772.162]C[GodofGo [9d\]: w's gonna attack top first
dreamz [9d\]: e9 lets go
GodofGo [9d\]: yeah b's gotta counter
dreamz [9d\]: this is tragic to play there while e9 is available
]
;B[eg]BL[2018.593]C[GodofGo [9d\]: oof
GodofGo [9d\]: h17
fly [1k\]: h17? No, no; I've been told you can't attack that ponuki!
Fantleroy [?\]: fake news, fly
Petrosian [3k\]: h17??
]
;W[hc]WL[696.831]C[Petrosian [3k\]: omg
Fantleroy [?\]: good call
GodofGo [9d\]: i mean.. he played e14 for a reason
ZhiangT: j17
dreamz [9d\]: still e9
Fantleroy [?\]: visual representation of a leaning attack
MagnusC [8d?\]: Shape point also standard
dreamz [9d\]: Just play e9 is my new motto
fly [1k\]: No, really, a player I trusted claimed there was no point to attacking it!
GodofGo [9d\]: is e9 really that big?
supernova [7d\]: not at all
GodofGo [9d\]: w can just ladder it now
]
;B[ic]BL[1945.89]C[dreamz [9d\]: I would be happy to take c8
]
;W[id]WL[686.445]
;B[ib]BL[1940.531]C[Fantleroy [?\]: but then, quite some trouble in the center, no ?
kmr [2d\]: as black i would fear for L10 group for sure
Petrosian [3k\]: h17 is just sente reduction?
dreamz [9d\]: the black e13 group isn't alive yet
dreamz [9d\]: so it's nice to get points while living with it
sh [5k\]: What is the status of r19
Fantleroy [?\]: egg is the status
Petrosian [3k\]: b will have to kill eventually
ZhiangT: e13 not alive? how to kill?
]
;W[hl]WL[623.944]C[Fantleroy [?\]: b can kill without ko in one move
GodofGo [9d\]: called it
GodofGo [9d\]: in my head
fly [1k\]: w can make ko by s15?
]
;B[ng]BL[1927.128]C[Fantleroy [?\]: w can force a ko whenever he wants
]
;W[nf]WL[612.506]C[Fantleroy [?\]: that's cheating, godofgo
GodofGo [9d\]: wanted to do this after n11 but w prob can't get away fully with n11 sente
UBIK [2k\]: is b ahead?
dreamz [9d\]: c13 c14 b11 b12 b10
Fantleroy [?\]: on the board, most likely
Petrosian [3k\]: as long as j9 lives b should be ok
randaoms: how can b be ahead off the board?
]
;B[lh]BL[1873.758]C[Jake [1k\]: how solid is d4?
Petrosian [3k\]: he stands up
Fantleroy [?\]: ↑
Fantleroy [?\]: also, he is ahead on the clock
MagnusC [8d?\]: D4 isnt relevent atm
Jake [1k\]: ok
Fantleroy [?\]: what I meant is that, black has some issues with two groups and some ko aji, but otherwise he's ahead
Petrosian [3k\]: maybe w is making ko threats?
fly [1k\]: If he loses a big group, he is *not* ahead!
agcStupGod [9d\]: obvious w is ahead
GodofGo [9d\]: yeah c13 locally kills but prob wouldn't kill b
Fantleroy [?\]: ko looks quite small at this stage
Fantleroy [?\]: is that so, agc ?
]
;W[dr]WL[516.644]C[fly [1k\]: lol
Sorry [8d\]: lovely
Petrosian [3k\]: ko will become big
Jake [1k\]: not relevent???
]
;B[dq]BL[1854.1]C[Petrosian [3k\]: i will never understand d2
Fantleroy [?\]: why not ?
randaoms: petrosian, ko will become big only in like 40 moves
agcStupGod [9d\]: and c13 cannot kill that group is alive....
]
;W[er]WL[501.297]C[randaoms: or even more
randaoms: i say 60 moves
justafool [1d\]: lizzie likes white as two is to one
]
;B[cr]BL[1840.27]C[Sorry [8d\]: c5 ?
Petrosian [3k\]: 66%?
agcStupGod [9d\]: b2 now for w
fly [1k\]: "randaoms says: ko will start at move 160"
]
;W[br]WL[480.042]
;B[cs]BL[1830.523]C[randaoms: about that
kmr [2d\]: so 58 moves to go
agcStupGod [9d\]: then b3
agcStupGod [9d\]: or c5
Sorry [8d\]: now c5
GodofGo [9d\]: c555
agcStupGod [9d\]: either way
Petrosian [3k\]: c5?
]
;W[co]WL[448.442]C[Petrosian [3k\]: why?
Sorry [8d\]: read a little bit
agcStupGod [9d\]: common joseki
fly [1k\]: Hey! It's like this is a pattern you strong players know!
Petrosian [3k\]: is it just 1 eye now?
Petrosian [3k\]: i've never seen this
agcStupGod [9d\]: b is okay down there
agcStupGod [9d\]: b3
]
;B[bq]BL[1788.726]C[randaoms: just lost many points
fly [1k\]: Pet: you are 3k! That's why.
agcStupGod [9d\]: c4 again
agcStupGod [9d\]: and time to leave
]
;W[cp]WL[431.464]
;B[cq]BL[1787.782]
;W[bp]WL[421.321]C[MagnusC [8d?\]: @randoms its not points if he could be taken lol
]
;B[gq]BL[1782.665]
;W[iq]WL[419.015]
;B[fp]BL[1772.905]
;W[jd]WL[410.992]C[Petrosian [3k\]: is k16 sente?
randaoms: yes
dreamz [9d\]: no
fly [1k\]: else h17 is nasty
]
;B[jm]BL[1718.006]C[randaoms: haha
Petrosian [3k\]: you mean h18?
dreamz [9d\]: black is good to ignore
fly [1k\]: y
GodofGo [9d\]: it just has a big follow up but not fully sente
dreamz [9d\]: l18 h16
]
;W[jp]WL[374.146]
;B[kq]BL[1715.248]C[fly [1k\]: then k18?
Fantleroy [?\]: l18 h16 l17
Fantleroy [?\]: looks pretty painful
UBIK [2k\]: noob question: isnt r2 big?
Sorry [8d\]: yes, large endgame
randaoms: it is
Sorry [8d\]: very large
Fantleroy [?\]: it is a huge endgame
Petrosian [3k\]: well considering L10 isn't alive, it's still small
randaoms: they just got no time to play
Fantleroy [?\]: like , at least "wow that is a lot of points" points worth
UBIK [2k\]: thx
Petrosian [3k\]: also the L18 sequence seems bigger
randaoms: h16 protects against l18
ZhiangT: @dreamz: c13 b13 c14 c12 c15 b10 b9 b11 a12 e10 e9 f11 is alive?
]
;W[hn]WL[270.252]C[randaoms: among many others, h6 is the kind of move i never think off
fly [1k\]: Where will b make eyes for the center group?
]
;B[in]BL[1687.935]C[Petrosian [3k\]: h6 looks very natural
Petrosian [3k\]: also it's keima, so it's always good
Fantleroy [?\]: ↑↑↑
Sorry [8d\]: black is alive topside
GodofGo [9d\]: c13 just c14
MagnusC [8d?\]: Funny ive died with keimas before :/ lol
ZhiangT: c13 c14 b11 b12 b10 is locally 1 eye?
randaoms: j6 is good
]
;W[ho]WL[169.046]
;B[bi]BL[1686.612]C[Petrosian [3k\]: there you go zhiang
Sorry [8d\]: he loves his points
Sorry [8d\]: no, it was seki life.
GodofGo [9d\]: this is huge
Sorry [8d\]: black could have e11 after your sequence for seki
Sorry [8d\]: but this is huge points wise
]
;W[mq]WL[133.432]C[fly [1k\]: wow
Sorry [8d\]: trying to get k2 ?
fly [1k\]: to fix the aji
Petrosian [3k\]: so Andy needs some magic now to save l10
Petrosian [3k\]: L10
GodofGo [9d\]: definitely k2 next
Sorry [8d\]: yes, nice endgame sequence
Petrosian [3k\]: serious?
fly [1k\]: ...to attack the center?
]
;B[mp]BL[1563.71]
;W[lo]WL[128.67]
;B[mr]BL[1561.935]C[GodofGo [9d\]: ok..
]
;W[mk]WL[115.98]C[GodofGo [9d\]: it's still good enough
Sorry [8d\]: ah, apologize
kmr [2d\]: time to kill
]
;B[ih]BL[1534.261]C[Petrosian [3k\]: kill w kill
]
;W[kh]WL[96.157]C[fly [1k\]: w has time trouble for this difficult attack?
]
;B[kg]BL[1494.572]C[dreamz [9d\]: No killing here only points
]
;W[jg]WL[86.211]C[Petrosian [3k\]: oh wow, who would hae expected Andy to have 25 minutes more than his opponent?
]
;B[jh]BL[1473.159]C[dreamz [9d\]: at the same time black can't win by just living, he has to make enough points at the same time
]
;W[lg]WL[78.399]
;B[kf]BL[1472.241]
;W[li]WL[69.565]C[Sorry [8d\]: eh?
GodofGo [9d\]: oof
]
;B[mj]BL[1465.842]C[GodofGo [9d\]: rip
GodofGo [9d\]: not dead* but still
kmr [2d\]: but...how no killing?!This game without killing is like war without battles
Petrosian [3k\]: will j14 work?
]
;W[jf]WL[45.488]
;B[le]BL[1464.814]
;W[mh]WL[43.351]
;B[if]BL[1461.013]C[Petrosian [3k\]: i guess not
randaoms: oh
]
;W[je]WL[23.93]C[GodofGo [9d\]: w needs to be careful here..
Petrosian [3k\]: will we finally see e9?
]
;B[hk]BL[1447.284]C[dreamz [9d\]: There might be killing after all
Petrosian [3k\]: someone will die
kmr [2d\]: sure thing, killing is essential
GodofGo [9d\]: let's see here how badly w wants to kill..
GodofGo [9d\]: he shouldn't go for it imo lol doesn't need to
fly [1k\]: w kills, w wins?
]
;W[gl]WL[30]OW[9]C[Sorry [8d\]: of course-
fly [1k\]: Oh? w is ahead?
kmr [2d\]: i guess Minjiu would be just happpy with win on poinst, his ego does not need kill, mine need
randaoms: to not touch h16 is convenient for both haha
AlphaG0 [-\]: my ego is bigger than your ego
rubicon [3d\]: b looks ahead to me
]
;B[gj]BL[1396.171]C[spacetime [4d\]: B dead?
]
;W[gi]WL[30]OW[9]C[rubicon [3d\]: if it all lives, that is
Petrosian [3k\]: b just connected?
]
;B[ig]BL[1385.094]C[rubicon [3d\]: im just talking about points, not life&death ^^
]
;W[he]WL[30]OW[9]
;B[gd]BL[1373.539]
;W[hd]WL[30]OW[9]
;B[fi]BL[1357.898]
;W[hb]WL[30]OW[9]C[cloudnotes [-\]: thanks
mingjiu [7p\]: thx
Sorry [8d\]: gg
kmr [2d\]: so, afterall - no ko!
rubicon [3d\]: oh, this kills the top
AGATD [-\]: Congratulations to Ming-jiu Jiang 7P, who, along with Eric Lui 1P will be the North American representatives to the Tianfu Cup!
AGATD [-\]: Thanks to all the participants who have played this week: Dalhoon Ahn 9P, Feng Yun 9P, Ming-jiu Jiang 7P, Andy Liu 1P, Eric Lui 1P, Huiren Yang 1P, Ryan Li 1P, and Stephanie Yin 1P.
fly [1k\]: When is that?
kmr [2d\]: damn, that game was thrilling, gg
Jake [1k\]: gg
fly [1k\]: Thanks AGATD!
AGATD [-\]: It's the end of September in China.
AGATD [-\]: This is Tournament Director Jeff Shaevel, signing off.
lonepeak: i was for cloud, sad he lost(
Petrosian [3k\]: yeah i guess this is too painful
Petrosian [3k\]: or maybe just dead
kmr [2d\]: i wonder where Leela points worst move by black, i still dont like L4
lonepeak: b invastion in the left side seems very bad
kmr [2d\]: you mean B14-C11?yeah that looks suspicous, but what instead?
lonepeak: bot move mb to the d9 stone=)
lonepeak: after f10 - black was behind enemy line
Lsugyen [5d?\]: yes Mingjiu!
])
(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[3600]OT[10x30 byo-yomi]
PW[HYang]PB[mingjiu]BR[7p]DT[2018-08-22]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]RE[B+Resign]
;B[pd]BL[3584.104]
;W[qp]WL[3585.086]
;B[dd]BL[3542.498]
;W[co]WL[3531.389]
;B[op]BL[3488.01]C[RedAdmiral: How strong HYang plas?
RedAdmiral: please
]
;W[lq]WL[3521.111]C[afgani [4d\]: i think hes a pro
xedover [?\]: he is 1p
RedAdmiral: Thanks
]
;B[on]BL[3423.038]
;W[qn]WL[3498.051]
;B[eq]BL[3409.617]C[RedAdmiral: h3
]
;W[no]WL[3431.892]C[RedAdmiral: lol kikashi
]
;B[oo]BL[3372.639]
;W[pl]WL[3428.557]C[afgani [4d\]: whats kikashi?
RedAdmiral: forcing move that can later be discarded
afgani [4d\]: ah
]
;B[lo]BL[3316.818]C[RedAdmiral: is HYang the ex pro who used to play here
RedAdmiral: or some younger pro
Unitary [4d\]: older pro
RedAdmiral: thx
RedAdmiral: this should be a hack in that case
]
;W[nq]WL[3118.942]C[RedAdmiral: I'm curious, does anyone know if this is a known position or if they're already original
]
;B[qq]BL[3290.886]
;W[rq]WL[3107.496]C[Petrosian [3k\]: no clue
FAKENEWSS: in theory this should be bad for w
RedAdmiral: what theory
FAKENEWSS: o5 exchange achieved what?
RedAdmiral: makes black heavy and leaves aji
FAKENEWSS: if that is true, doesnt it mean p6 is bad?
]
;B[qo]BL[3142.691]C[Petrosian [3k\]: o5 looks ok to me
FAKENEWSS: maybe e3 was bad
]
;W[ro]WL[3095.742]
;B[np]BL[3139.332]
;W[iq]WL[3088.34]
;B[cq]BL[3131.325]
;W[dk]WL[3082.754]C[FAKENEWSS: or maybe o5 was bad
]
;B[cf]BL[3008.708]
;W[qf]WL[3042.282]
;B[nd]BL[3001.972]
;W[ic]WL[3033.291]
;B[kc]BL[2996.522]
;W[db]WL[3026.922]
;B[cc]BL[2714.295]
;W[fc]WL[3016.422]
;B[rd]BL[2687.955]
;W[qi]WL[2998.305]
;B[ci]BL[2677.295]
;W[bq]WL[2992.808]
;B[br]BL[2671.006]C[Sokrates [1d\]: how strong are you to judge that
]
;W[di]WL[2959.739]
;B[dj]BL[2610.36]
;W[ej]WL[2955.344]
;B[cj]BL[2608.293]
;W[ck]WL[2953.426]
;B[ek]BL[2589.193]
;W[fj]WL[2940.691]
;B[el]BL[2571.071]C[Marathon [?\]: he's a chess grandmaster
Petrosian [3k\]: I think he meant fakenews, not me.
Marathon [?\]: oh
]
;W[dm]WL[2655.284]
;B[em]BL[2554.132]C[sedgwick [?\]: Position seems quite difficult for white
]
;W[bk]WL[2307.274]
;B[dh]BL[2535.699]
;W[eo]WL[2303.919]C[Sorry [8d\]: agreed
]
;B[hl]BL[2474.419]
;W[hj]WL[2291.632]
;B[ol]BL[2132.982]
;W[ok]WL[2276.657]
;B[nk]BL[2128.396]
;W[jj]WL[2181.783]C[Petrosian [3k\]: why?
Petrosian [3k\]: center group?
sedgwick [?\]: And annoynces like b4 nearly sente, so black seems ahead on points
]
;B[ml]BL[1916.681]
;W[bp]WL[2117.253]
;B[gq]BL[1870.201]
;W[il]WL[1875.83]
;B[hm]BL[1795.933]
;W[om]WL[1776.843]
;B[nm]BL[1780.75]
;W[nl]WL[1770.169]
;B[dl]BL[1645.119]
;W[cm]WL[1754.586]
;B[ol]BL[1642.563]
;W[je]WL[1738.43]
;B[pm]BL[1629.288]
;W[ql]WL[1569.303]C[monstralex [10k?\]: 7r?
]
;B[fd]BL[1604.938]C[monstralex [10k?\]: r7*
]
;W[gc]WL[1526.436]C[monstralex [10k?\]: h13
]
;B[he]BL[1455.275]
;W[ig]WL[1053.045]
;B[id]BL[1243.813]
;W[jd]WL[999.898]
;B[jc]BL[1241.296]
;W[ib]WL[991.612]
;B[jf]BL[1200.888]
;W[ld]WL[967.499]
;B[if]BL[657.069]
;W[lc]WL[948.469]
;B[ik]BL[654.558]
;W[hk]WL[580.423]
;B[jl]BL[628.447]
;W[kh]WL[472.792]C[sh [5k\]: Middle game is about to end
]
;B[lf]BL[398.7]C[sh [5k\]: After that boring yose
]
;W[le]WL[450.54]
;B[mf]BL[370.77]
;W[jg]WL[415.905]
;B[kg]BL[356.255]
;W[lh]WL[362.646]
;B[oj]BL[351.311]
;W[fh]WL[331.727]
;B[qm]BL[306.063]
;W[rm]WL[324.66]
;B[qk]BL[304.56]
;W[rk]WL[314.855]
;B[pk]BL[302.564]
;W[rl]WL[311.839]
;B[pp]BL[282.323]
;W[po]WL[307.422]
;B[ir]BL[161.208]
;W[jr]WL[252.314]
;B[hr]BL[139.92]
;W[jp]WL[247.768]
;B[nr]BL[127.652]
;W[mr]WL[225.652]
;B[oq]BL[123.788]
;W[mq]WL[207.047]
;B[pr]BL[111.49]
;W[hp]WL[99.594]
;B[fo]BL[105.212]
;W[io]WL[86.929]
;B[nb]BL[96.86]
;W[mb]WL[74.442]
;B[hg]BL[51.912]
;W[hh]WL[70.167]
;B[gg]BL[48.699]
;W[gh]WL[65.164]
;B[rf]BL[24.503]
;W[rg]WL[59.634]
;B[re]BL[9.792]
;W[cb]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[bj]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[pg]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[ak]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[bm]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[en]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[ar]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[cr]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[al]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[cl]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[bl]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[dn]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[cn]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[bb]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[aj]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[bh]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[oe]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[od]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[fg]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[ei]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[na]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[ob]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[oa]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[pa]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[ma]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[pb]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[ko]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[lp]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[kp]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[jn]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[kn]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[dc]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[ec]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[ca]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[eb]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[ef]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[ed]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[ee]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[bc]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[bd]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[ba]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[aa]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[ge]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[of]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[ne]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[me]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[pe]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[qe]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[nf]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[ng]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[pf]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[mg]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[og]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[aq]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[an]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[rr]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[sr]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[pn]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[qo]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[do]BL[30]OB[7]
;W[gp]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[fp]BL[30]OB[6]
;W[hq]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[gr]BL[30]OB[6]
;W[mp]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[mo]BL[30]OB[6]
;W[mn]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[nn]BL[30]OB[6]
;W[ln]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[no]BL[30]OB[6]
;W[ns]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[os]BL[30]OB[6]
;W[or]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[mc]BL[30]OB[6]
;W[kb]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[nr]BL[30]OB[6]
;W[ms]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[ff]BL[30]OB[6]
;W[gf]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[hf]BL[30]OB[6]
;W[hd]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[mi]BL[30]OB[6]
;W[lj]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[kk]BL[30]OB[6]
;W[kj]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[li]BL[30]OB[6]
;W[ki]WL[30]OW[8]
;B[gk]BL[30]OB[6]C[AlphaG0 [-\]: hmmm
]
;W[gl]WL[30]OW[4]C[Marathon [?\]: careful, alphago. if you pass the turning test, people won't believe you're a bot
]
;B[gm]BL[30]OB[5]C[AlphaG0 [-\]: ٩(̾●̮̮̃̾•̃̾)۶
sedgwick [?\]: Any way to savethis?
AlphaG0 [-\]: w was careless
]
;W[ni]WL[30]OW[1]C[sedgwick [?\]: Maybe wants to show us a magic sequence
]
;B[mj]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[lk]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[ll]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[jk]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[im]BL[30]OB[5]C[HYang: thx
AGATD [-\]: Thanks to both. Ming-jiu Jiang will continue to Round 4 tomorrow night.
autarch [?\]: good game to watch! thank you
Petrosian [3k\]: Thanks to aga folks
AGATD [-\]: See you tomorrow night!
Taro [-\]: congrats to black!
])
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[3600]OT[10x30 byo-yomi]
PW[HYang]PB[mingjiu]BR[7p]DT[2018-08-22]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]RE[B+Resign]
;B[pd]BL[3584.104]
;W[qp]WL[3585.086]
;B[dd]BL[3542.498]
;W[co]WL[3531.389]
;B[op]BL[3488.01]C[RedAdmiral: How strong HYang plas?
RedAdmiral: please
]
;W[lq]WL[3521.111]C[afgani [4d\]: i think hes a pro
xedover [?\]: he is 1p
RedAdmiral: Thanks
]
;B[on]BL[3423.038]
;W[qn]WL[3498.051]
;B[eq]BL[3409.617]C[RedAdmiral: h3
]
;W[no]WL[3431.892]C[RedAdmiral: lol kikashi
]
;B[oo]BL[3372.639]
;W[pl]WL[3428.557]C[afgani [4d\]: whats kikashi?
RedAdmiral: forcing move that can later be discarded
afgani [4d\]: ah
]
;B[lo]BL[3316.818]C[RedAdmiral: is HYang the ex pro who used to play here
RedAdmiral: or some younger pro
Unitary [4d\]: older pro
RedAdmiral: thx
RedAdmiral: this should be a hack in that case
]
;W[nq]WL[3118.942]C[RedAdmiral: I'm curious, does anyone know if this is a known position or if they're already original
]
;B[qq]BL[3290.886]
;W[rq]WL[3107.496]C[Petrosian [3k\]: no clue
FAKENEWSS: in theory this should be bad for w
RedAdmiral: what theory
FAKENEWSS: o5 exchange achieved what?
RedAdmiral: makes black heavy and leaves aji
FAKENEWSS: if that is true, doesnt it mean p6 is bad?
]
;B[qo]BL[3142.691]C[Petrosian [3k\]: o5 looks ok to me
FAKENEWSS: maybe e3 was bad
]
;W[ro]WL[3095.742]
;B[np]BL[3139.332]
;W[iq]WL[3088.34]
;B[cq]BL[3131.325]
;W[dk]WL[3082.754]C[FAKENEWSS: or maybe o5 was bad
]
;B[cf]BL[3008.708]
;W[qf]WL[3042.282]
;B[nd]BL[3001.972]
;W[ic]WL[3033.291]
;B[kc]BL[2996.522]
;W[db]WL[3026.922]
;B[cc]BL[2714.295]
;W[fc]WL[3016.422]
;B[rd]BL[2687.955]
;W[qi]WL[2998.305]
;B[ci]BL[2677.295]
;W[bq]WL[2992.808]
;B[br]BL[2671.006]C[Sokrates [1d\]: how strong are you to judge that
]
;W[di]WL[2959.739]
;B[dj]BL[2610.36]
;W[ej]WL[2955.344]
;B[cj]BL[2608.293]
;W[ck]WL[2953.426]
;B[ek]BL[2589.193]
;W[fj]WL[2940.691]
;B[el]BL[2571.071]C[Marathon [?\]: he's a chess grandmaster
Petrosian [3k\]: I think he meant fakenews, not me.
Marathon [?\]: oh
]
;W[dm]WL[2655.284]
;B[em]BL[2554.132]C[sedgwick [?\]: Position seems quite difficult for white
]
;W[bk]WL[2307.274]
;B[dh]BL[2535.699]
;W[eo]WL[2303.919]C[Sorry [8d\]: agreed
]
;B[hl]BL[2474.419]
;W[hj]WL[2291.632]
;B[ol]BL[2132.982]
;W[ok]WL[2276.657]
;B[nk]BL[2128.396]
;W[jj]WL[2181.783]C[Petrosian [3k\]: why?
Petrosian [3k\]: center group?
sedgwick [?\]: And annoynces like b4 nearly sente, so black seems ahead on points
]
;B[ml]BL[1916.681]
;W[bp]WL[2117.253]
;B[gq]BL[1870.201]
;W[il]WL[1875.83]
;B[hm]BL[1795.933]
;W[om]WL[1776.843]
;B[nm]BL[1780.75]
;W[nl]WL[1770.169]
;B[dl]BL[1645.119]
;W[cm]WL[1754.586]
;B[ol]BL[1642.563]
;W[je]WL[1738.43]
;B[pm]BL[1629.288]
;W[ql]WL[1569.303]C[monstralex [10k?\]: 7r?
]
;B[fd]BL[1604.938]C[monstralex [10k?\]: r7*
]
;W[gc]WL[1526.436]C[monstralex [10k?\]: h13
]
;B[he]BL[1455.275]
;W[ig]WL[1053.045]
;B[id]BL[1243.813]
;W[jd]WL[999.898]
;B[jc]BL[1241.296]
;W[ib]WL[991.612]
;B[jf]BL[1200.888]
;W[ld]WL[967.499]
;B[if]BL[657.069]
;W[lc]WL[948.469]
;B[ik]BL[654.558]
;W[hk]WL[580.423]
;B[jl]BL[628.447]
;W[kh]WL[472.792]C[sh [5k\]: Middle game is about to end
]
;B[lf]BL[398.7]C[sh [5k\]: After that boring yose
]
;W[le]WL[450.54]
;B[mf]BL[370.77]
;W[jg]WL[415.905]
;B[kg]BL[356.255]
;W[lh]WL[362.646]
;B[oj]BL[351.311]
;W[fh]WL[331.727]
;B[qm]BL[306.063]
;W[rm]WL[324.66]
;B[qk]BL[304.56]
;W[rk]WL[314.855]
;B[pk]BL[302.564]
;W[rl]WL[311.839]
;B[pp]BL[282.323]
;W[po]WL[307.422]
;B[ir]BL[161.208]
;W[jr]WL[252.314]
;B[hr]BL[139.92]
;W[jp]WL[247.768]
;B[nr]BL[127.652]
;W[mr]WL[225.652]
;B[oq]BL[123.788]
;W[mq]WL[207.047]
;B[pr]BL[111.49]
;W[hp]WL[99.594]
;B[fo]BL[105.212]
;W[io]WL[86.929]
;B[nb]BL[96.86]
;W[mb]WL[74.442]
;B[hg]BL[51.912]
;W[hh]WL[70.167]
;B[gg]BL[48.699]
;W[gh]WL[65.164]
;B[rf]BL[24.503]
;W[rg]WL[59.634]
;B[re]BL[9.792]
;W[cb]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[bj]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[pg]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[ak]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[bm]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[en]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[ar]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[cr]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[al]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[cl]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[bl]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[dn]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[cn]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[bb]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[aj]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[bh]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[oe]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[od]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[fg]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[ei]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[na]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[ob]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[oa]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[pa]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[ma]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[pb]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[ko]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[lp]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[kp]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[jn]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[kn]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[dc]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[ec]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[ca]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[eb]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[ef]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[ed]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[ee]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[bc]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[bd]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[ba]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[aa]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[ge]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[of]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[ne]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[me]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[pe]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[qe]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[nf]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[ng]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[pf]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[mg]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[og]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[aq]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[an]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[rr]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[sr]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[pn]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[qo]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[do]BL[30]OB[7]
;W[gp]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[fp]BL[30]OB[6]
;W[hq]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[gr]BL[30]OB[6]
;W[mp]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[mo]BL[30]OB[6]
;W[mn]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[nn]BL[30]OB[6]
;W[ln]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[no]BL[30]OB[6]
;W[ns]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[os]BL[30]OB[6]
;W[or]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[mc]BL[30]OB[6]
;W[kb]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[nr]BL[30]OB[6]
;W[ms]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[ff]BL[30]OB[6]
;W[gf]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[hf]BL[30]OB[6]
;W[hd]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[mi]BL[30]OB[6]
;W[lj]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[kk]BL[30]OB[6]
;W[kj]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[li]BL[30]OB[6]
;W[ki]WL[30]OW[8]
;B[gk]BL[30]OB[6]C[AlphaG0 [-\]: hmmm
]
;W[gl]WL[30]OW[4]C[Marathon [?\]: careful, alphago. if you pass the turning test, people won't believe you're a bot
]
;B[gm]BL[30]OB[5]C[AlphaG0 [-\]: ٩(̾●̮̮̃̾•̃̾)۶
sedgwick [?\]: Any way to savethis?
AlphaG0 [-\]: w was careless
]
;W[ni]WL[30]OW[1]C[sedgwick [?\]: Maybe wants to show us a magic sequence
]
;B[mj]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[lk]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[ll]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[jk]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[im]BL[30]OB[5]C[HYang: thx
AGATD [-\]: Thanks to both. Ming-jiu Jiang will continue to Round 4 tomorrow night.
autarch [?\]: good game to watch! thank you
Petrosian [3k\]: Thanks to aga folks
AGATD [-\]: See you tomorrow night!
Taro [-\]: congrats to black!
])
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Re: Tiangfu Cup, North American Prelim, and the KGS Broadcas
(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[3600]OT[10x30 byo-yomi]
PW[Sentinel]PB[mingjiu]BR[7p]DT[2018-08-20]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[mingjiu [7p\]: thx
Sentinel [?\]: hi
]RE[W+Resign]
;B[pd]BL[3579.839]
;W[dp]WL[3586.469]
;B[qp]BL[3378.681]
;W[dd]WL[3574.58]
;B[np]BL[3342.872]
;W[fq]WL[3391.042]
;B[nc]BL[3286.688]
;W[qj]WL[3287.723]
;B[cf]BL[3133.037]
;W[fc]WL[3219.566]
;B[cd]BL[3090.312]
;W[cc]WL[3216.384]
;B[bc]BL[3087.325]
;W[ce]WL[3144.132]
;B[bd]BL[3075.84]
;W[de]WL[3063.737]
;B[be]BL[3071.746]
;W[cb]WL[3059.054]
;B[df]BL[3060.63]
;W[ch]WL[3021.065]
;B[bg]BL[3035.992]
;W[qg]WL[2926.42]
;B[cn]BL[2744.393]
;W[cl]WL[2673.741]
;B[en]BL[2483.564]
;W[el]WL[2549.871]
;B[ep]BL[2335.043]
;W[eq]WL[2499.304]
;B[cp]BL[2277.992]
;W[do]WL[2495.144]
;B[co]BL[2275.127]
;W[cq]WL[2454.858]
;B[dn]BL[2220.835]
;W[bq]WL[2394.946]
;B[cj]BL[2215.681]
;W[dj]WL[2285.63]
;B[ck]BL[2193.411]
;W[dl]WL[2279.672]
;B[gn]BL[2009.406]
;W[gl]WL[2130.181]
;B[ci]BL[1947.077]
;W[im]WL[2084.703]
;B[eo]BL[1914.996]
;W[di]WL[1978.889]
;B[bh]BL[1900.849]
;W[io]WL[1805.794]
;B[dq]BL[1892.406]
;W[dr]WL[1799.282]
;B[gp]BL[1866.627]
;W[ic]WL[1556.893]
;B[gq]BL[1844.198]C[hvk [-\]: What level of white?
r0n1n [3d\]: 1p
hvk [-\]: OK TX
]
;W[iq]WL[1469.441]
;B[dp]BL[1785.701]
;W[fr]WL[1406.44]
;B[gr]BL[1770.271]
;W[lq]WL[1370.311]
;B[mq]BL[1535.141]
;W[lp]WL[1321.968]
;B[qe]BL[1470.627]
;W[qm]WL[1294.05]
;B[lr]BL[1182.342]
;W[kr]WL[1246.623]
;B[nr]BL[1146.929]
;W[lc]WL[1212.442]
;B[fs]BL[1099.467]
;W[es]WL[1203.178]
;B[gs]BL[1097.492]
;W[pb]WL[1075.505]
;B[ob]BL[976.569]
;W[rd]WL[1016.639]
;B[qc]BL[903.418]
;W[re]WL[996.792]
;B[rc]BL[897.921]
;W[ff]WL[919.609]
;B[le]BL[843.206]
;W[lg]WL[835.98]
;B[eh]BL[783.05]
;W[mn]WL[700.478]
;B[pi]BL[745.649]
;W[qi]WL[661.022]
;B[pg]BL[703.651]
;W[pf]WL[630.732]
;B[mg]BL[492.291]
;W[mh]WL[504.275]
;B[ng]BL[473.897]
;W[lf]WL[498.715]
;B[me]BL[450.086]
;W[ph]WL[459.134]
;B[og]BL[326.625]
;W[qf]WL[372.779]
;B[ni]BL[295.166]
;W[lj]WL[318.053]
;B[je]BL[259.305]
;W[fi]WL[218.953]
;B[jc]BL[203.075]
;W[jb]WL[214.366]
;B[id]BL[198.581]
;W[hc]WL[205.436]C[Prodigy [9d\]: b needs more
]
;B[jh]BL[96.036]
;W[jg]WL[167.572]
;B[li]BL[16.067]
;W[mi]WL[136.277]
;B[lh]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[mj]WL[127.946]
;B[ig]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[ji]WL[89.547]
;B[kh]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[ih]WL[82.748]
;B[ii]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[hh]WL[73.678]
;B[kg]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[ki]WL[61.07]
;B[kf]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[br]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[pl]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[ql]WL[30]OW[9]
;B[ml]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[ll]WL[30]OW[8]
;B[mo]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[lo]WL[30]OW[8]
;B[mm]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[lm]WL[30]OW[8]
;B[nn]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[ln]WL[30]OW[8]
;B[gd]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[gc]WL[30]OW[8]
;B[rn]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[qn]WL[30]OW[8]
;B[qo]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[rm]WL[30]OW[8]
;B[kc]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[kb]WL[30]OW[8]
;B[mb]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[lb]WL[30]OW[8]
;B[bb]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[hg]WL[30]OW[7]
;B[ro]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[ls]WL[30]OW[7]
;B[mr]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[on]WL[30]OW[6]
;B[om]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[oo]WL[30]OW[6]
;B[no]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[pn]WL[30]OW[6]
;B[op]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[dh]WL[30]OW[6]
;B[ef]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[fe]WL[30]OW[6]
;B[fg]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[hd]WL[30]OW[6]
;B[ca]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[eb]WL[30]OW[6]
;B[bl]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[bm]WL[30]OW[6]
;B[bk]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[cm]WL[30]OW[6]
;B[if]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[hf]WL[30]OW[6]
;B[oh]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[qh]WL[30]OW[6]
;B[jr]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[jq]WL[30]OW[6]
;B[ir]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[da]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[sd]BL[30]OB[7]
;W[se]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[sc]BL[30]OB[7]
;W[oe]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[rf]BL[30]OB[7]
;W[rg]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[mk]BL[30]OB[7]C[vegmandu [2d\]: Who is Sentinel Eric Lui?
Prodigy [9d\]: yes
vegmandu [2d\]: thanks
]
;W[lk]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[pk]BL[30]OB[7]
;W[qk]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[hn]BL[30]OB[7]
;W[in]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[fm]BL[30]OB[7]
;W[fl]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[ba]BL[30]OB[7]
;W[od]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[oc]BL[30]OB[7]
;W[he]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[la]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[nj]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[gg]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[ie]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[jf]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[jd]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[kd]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[ld]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[id]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[ka]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[ma]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[jd]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[ke]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[nk]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[sm]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[sl]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[sn]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[pj]WL[30]OW[4]C[Prodigy [9d\]: ah
Sentinel [?\]: thanks
mingjiu [7p\]: thx
AGATD [?\]: Thanks to both. See you tomorrow!
])
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[3600]OT[10x30 byo-yomi]
PW[Sentinel]PB[mingjiu]BR[7p]DT[2018-08-20]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[mingjiu [7p\]: thx
Sentinel [?\]: hi
]RE[W+Resign]
;B[pd]BL[3579.839]
;W[dp]WL[3586.469]
;B[qp]BL[3378.681]
;W[dd]WL[3574.58]
;B[np]BL[3342.872]
;W[fq]WL[3391.042]
;B[nc]BL[3286.688]
;W[qj]WL[3287.723]
;B[cf]BL[3133.037]
;W[fc]WL[3219.566]
;B[cd]BL[3090.312]
;W[cc]WL[3216.384]
;B[bc]BL[3087.325]
;W[ce]WL[3144.132]
;B[bd]BL[3075.84]
;W[de]WL[3063.737]
;B[be]BL[3071.746]
;W[cb]WL[3059.054]
;B[df]BL[3060.63]
;W[ch]WL[3021.065]
;B[bg]BL[3035.992]
;W[qg]WL[2926.42]
;B[cn]BL[2744.393]
;W[cl]WL[2673.741]
;B[en]BL[2483.564]
;W[el]WL[2549.871]
;B[ep]BL[2335.043]
;W[eq]WL[2499.304]
;B[cp]BL[2277.992]
;W[do]WL[2495.144]
;B[co]BL[2275.127]
;W[cq]WL[2454.858]
;B[dn]BL[2220.835]
;W[bq]WL[2394.946]
;B[cj]BL[2215.681]
;W[dj]WL[2285.63]
;B[ck]BL[2193.411]
;W[dl]WL[2279.672]
;B[gn]BL[2009.406]
;W[gl]WL[2130.181]
;B[ci]BL[1947.077]
;W[im]WL[2084.703]
;B[eo]BL[1914.996]
;W[di]WL[1978.889]
;B[bh]BL[1900.849]
;W[io]WL[1805.794]
;B[dq]BL[1892.406]
;W[dr]WL[1799.282]
;B[gp]BL[1866.627]
;W[ic]WL[1556.893]
;B[gq]BL[1844.198]C[hvk [-\]: What level of white?
r0n1n [3d\]: 1p
hvk [-\]: OK TX
]
;W[iq]WL[1469.441]
;B[dp]BL[1785.701]
;W[fr]WL[1406.44]
;B[gr]BL[1770.271]
;W[lq]WL[1370.311]
;B[mq]BL[1535.141]
;W[lp]WL[1321.968]
;B[qe]BL[1470.627]
;W[qm]WL[1294.05]
;B[lr]BL[1182.342]
;W[kr]WL[1246.623]
;B[nr]BL[1146.929]
;W[lc]WL[1212.442]
;B[fs]BL[1099.467]
;W[es]WL[1203.178]
;B[gs]BL[1097.492]
;W[pb]WL[1075.505]
;B[ob]BL[976.569]
;W[rd]WL[1016.639]
;B[qc]BL[903.418]
;W[re]WL[996.792]
;B[rc]BL[897.921]
;W[ff]WL[919.609]
;B[le]BL[843.206]
;W[lg]WL[835.98]
;B[eh]BL[783.05]
;W[mn]WL[700.478]
;B[pi]BL[745.649]
;W[qi]WL[661.022]
;B[pg]BL[703.651]
;W[pf]WL[630.732]
;B[mg]BL[492.291]
;W[mh]WL[504.275]
;B[ng]BL[473.897]
;W[lf]WL[498.715]
;B[me]BL[450.086]
;W[ph]WL[459.134]
;B[og]BL[326.625]
;W[qf]WL[372.779]
;B[ni]BL[295.166]
;W[lj]WL[318.053]
;B[je]BL[259.305]
;W[fi]WL[218.953]
;B[jc]BL[203.075]
;W[jb]WL[214.366]
;B[id]BL[198.581]
;W[hc]WL[205.436]C[Prodigy [9d\]: b needs more
]
;B[jh]BL[96.036]
;W[jg]WL[167.572]
;B[li]BL[16.067]
;W[mi]WL[136.277]
;B[lh]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[mj]WL[127.946]
;B[ig]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[ji]WL[89.547]
;B[kh]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[ih]WL[82.748]
;B[ii]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[hh]WL[73.678]
;B[kg]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[ki]WL[61.07]
;B[kf]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[br]WL[30]OW[10]
;B[pl]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[ql]WL[30]OW[9]
;B[ml]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[ll]WL[30]OW[8]
;B[mo]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[lo]WL[30]OW[8]
;B[mm]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[lm]WL[30]OW[8]
;B[nn]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[ln]WL[30]OW[8]
;B[gd]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[gc]WL[30]OW[8]
;B[rn]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[qn]WL[30]OW[8]
;B[qo]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[rm]WL[30]OW[8]
;B[kc]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[kb]WL[30]OW[8]
;B[mb]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[lb]WL[30]OW[8]
;B[bb]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[hg]WL[30]OW[7]
;B[ro]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[ls]WL[30]OW[7]
;B[mr]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[on]WL[30]OW[6]
;B[om]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[oo]WL[30]OW[6]
;B[no]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[pn]WL[30]OW[6]
;B[op]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[dh]WL[30]OW[6]
;B[ef]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[fe]WL[30]OW[6]
;B[fg]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[hd]WL[30]OW[6]
;B[ca]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[eb]WL[30]OW[6]
;B[bl]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[bm]WL[30]OW[6]
;B[bk]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[cm]WL[30]OW[6]
;B[if]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[hf]WL[30]OW[6]
;B[oh]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[qh]WL[30]OW[6]
;B[jr]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[jq]WL[30]OW[6]
;B[ir]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[da]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[sd]BL[30]OB[7]
;W[se]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[sc]BL[30]OB[7]
;W[oe]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[rf]BL[30]OB[7]
;W[rg]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[mk]BL[30]OB[7]C[vegmandu [2d\]: Who is Sentinel Eric Lui?
Prodigy [9d\]: yes
vegmandu [2d\]: thanks
]
;W[lk]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[pk]BL[30]OB[7]
;W[qk]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[hn]BL[30]OB[7]
;W[in]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[fm]BL[30]OB[7]
;W[fl]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[ba]BL[30]OB[7]
;W[od]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[oc]BL[30]OB[7]
;W[he]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[la]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[nj]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[gg]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[ie]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[jf]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[jd]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[kd]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[ld]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[id]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[ka]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[ma]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[jd]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[ke]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[nk]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[sm]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[sl]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[sn]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[pj]WL[30]OW[4]C[Prodigy [9d\]: ah
Sentinel [?\]: thanks
mingjiu [7p\]: thx
AGATD [?\]: Thanks to both. See you tomorrow!
])
(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[1200]OT[10x30 byo-yomi]
PW[Crazywind]PB[mingjiu]WR[8d]BR[7p]DT[2018-08-24]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]RE[B+Time]
;B[pd]BL[1192.985]
;W[dd]WL[1194.61]
;B[qp]BL[1192.191]
;W[dq]WL[1193.575]
;B[oq]BL[1188.882]
;W[qf]WL[1192.668]
;B[co]BL[1187.369]
;W[nc]WL[1191.788]
;B[nd]BL[1186.634]
;W[md]WL[1191.055]
;B[ne]BL[1185.988]
;W[pc]WL[1190.409]
;B[qc]BL[1184.139]
;W[oc]WL[1189.637]
;B[qd]BL[1183.542]
;W[qi]WL[1188.83]
;B[ep]BL[1181.26]
;W[eq]WL[1188.229]
;B[fp]BL[1180.532]
;W[gq]WL[1187.456]
;B[cj]BL[1178.72]
(;W[cp]WL[1186.029]
;B[bo]BL[1177.465]
;W[fc]WL[1185.155]
;B[qk]BL[1175.738]
;W[me]WL[1184.369]
;B[mf]BL[1174.812]C[RobertT [-\]: wow, spend more time on opening. don't have to blitz it.
]
;W[lf]WL[1183.541]
;B[mg]BL[1173.444]
;W[od]WL[1182.94]
;B[oe]BL[1172.592]
;W[pe]WL[1182.064]
;B[mc]BL[1171.272]C[dreamz [9d\]: hehe they messed up once
]
;W[nf]WL[1180.7]
;B[of]BL[1170.508]
;W[og]WL[1179.951]
;B[ng]BL[1169.839]
;W[pf]WL[1179.349]C[Petrosian [3k\]: These guys are good.
]
;B[nf]BL[1169.098]
;W[mb]WL[1178.71]
;B[lc]BL[1168.112]
;W[lb]WL[1178.13]
;B[kc]BL[1166.987]
;W[qb]WL[1177.339]
(;B[oh]BL[1164.363]C[dreamz [9d\]: and again
]
;W[re]WL[1168.153]C[Petrosian [3k\]: another mistake
]
;B[gd]BL[1161.996]
;W[fd]WL[1167.37]
;B[gf]BL[1161.308]
;W[ke]WL[1166.316]
;B[lg]BL[1159.073]
;W[je]WL[1165.305]
;B[ig]BL[1158.355]
;W[jc]WL[1164.287]
;B[gp]BL[1156.564]
;W[hq]WL[1163.242]
;B[hp]BL[1155.871]
;W[iq]WL[1162.355]C[k0n0:
]
(;B[dg]BL[1153.13]C[Petrosian [3k\]: build the wall!
]
;W[dj]WL[1152.139]
;B[ci]BL[1151.376]
;W[ii]WL[1151.205]
;B[id]BL[1148.397]
;W[ie]WL[1150.278]C[RobertT [-\]: they're trying to sneak in some exchanges
]
;B[jh]BL[1146.08]
;W[gh]WL[1148.742]
;B[gj]BL[1145.493]
;W[fj]WL[1147.718]C[UBIK [2k\]: haha
U [-\]: all goood now
dreamz [9d\]: Pretty fast opening!
fly [1k\]: With only 20 minutes main time, they have to hurry!
]
;B[gi]BL[1077.492]C[josuke: well
josuke: called it hehe
fly [1k\]: I'm sure glad I'm not playing! Hey you high-dans... what's gonna happen next??
Petrosian [3k\]: j9?
U [-\]: probably white will; play somewhere
josuke: e12
josuke: or f11
]
;W[fi]WL[1011.378]
;B[gk]BL[1071.236]C[kmr [2d\]: they should start game with 5 min main time and add time to set previous time
Petrosian [3k\]: too late
kmr [2d\]: now black has more time than he had
kmr [2d\]: a bit unfair
U [-\]: white did too
U [-\]: so does it matter?
dreamz [9d\]: They both have more time
fly [1k\]: Makes no difference; once they get into byoyomi a few minutes will equal out.
dreamz [9d\]: It's normal to account for the disruption
Petrosian [3k\]: its close
josuke: f13
RobertT [-\]: they were both at 16 minutes when they reset. the 4 minutes that ran down on blacks clock was the tournament director explaining hte situation to the players and remaking the game
RobertT [-\]: so they both got 3 minutes extra
kmr [2d\]: i trust you, so its ok
AGATD [-\]: Correct, Robert.
Petrosian [3k\]: f14 is any good?
josuke: f13 is better
josuke: if f14, black f13, and white cut
josuke: white can aim for c9 probe later
josuke: as well
Petrosian [3k\]: maybe b can tenuki f13?
josuke: if white f13, black will h12
a11 [2d\]: d12
josuke: then white will o4 area
randaoms: try e13
Petrosian [3k\]: ya thats what i thought
excko [1k\]: e13 not bad
josuke: e13 or try at c9 first
josuke: but c9 is a bit risky
josuke: sorry
josuke: f1
]
;W[fg]WL[664.798]C[josuke: f13
josuke: ya
josuke: whoops
josuke: its the only move here
excko [1k\]: solid
josuke: i dont think black can block at f14
josuke: has to play h12
josuke: make whtie connect
josuke: then go for l4 area
purp [4k\]: h12
fly [1k\]: L4 area? Um... I guess if w passed there's territory there
josuke: h12, f14, l4
josuke: then white will aim for p11
josuke: or probe at r5
fly [1k\]: Any skilled player care to speculate?
RobertT [-\]: it will be jigo
fly [1k\]: I'd bet against jigo.
fly [1k\]: what if f14?
josuke: if black f15, white h12 and there is no chance he dies in the center
josuke: and then black loses on points
a11 [2d\]: f14 is a fight
josuke: its impossible to kill that, so I highly doubt minju will go for it
]
;B[hh]BL[660.443]C[a11 [2d\]: f14 b may not win the fight
fly [1k\]: wow!
fly [1k\]: oh... no f14 would work?
einsteiger [4k\]: center is big
josuke: like i said earlier, h12, f14, l4
Petrosian [3k\]: f14 seems too small noiw
josuke: there is no other move
excko [1k\]: its a must
]
;W[ff]WL[508.708]C[dreamz [9d\]: f13 will die if you don't connect
]
;B[gg]BL[655.937]
;W[fh]WL[507.477]C[josuke: now l4
dreamz [9d\]: w could also connect with g13 instead of f13
a11 [2d\]: too small
]
;B[qh]BL[641.393]C[Petrosian [3k\]: is it enough of a reduction for w?
josuke: honestly, i dont like r12
a11 [2d\]: b is winning
josuke: i still think l4 bigger
purp [4k\]: b has i nvisible shields over the center
einsteiger [4k\]: k5?
CatWhite [9k\]: P5?
a11 [2d\]: f14 too small
Petrosian [3k\]: w tenuki?
dreamz [9d\]: r12 sente before coming to k4
josuke: ya
josuke: r12, then i would go o4
dreamz [9d\]: s12 q11 s11 k4
sdfafafa: w must respond
purp [4k\]: r5
]
;W[np]WL[321.62]C[josuke: o yikes
josuke: thats too early
dreamz [9d\]: s13
josuke: s12 is so big bro
josuke: why would you not
josuke: respond
josuke: shm
Petrosian [3k\]: looks small to me
RoyalCrown [7d\]: s13 good)
RoyalCrown [7d\]: sente i think
josuke: if ryan s12, mingju q11 then ryan o4, i would like white
josuke: now i think he tossed
excko [1k\]: prepare for something like s7
excko [1k\]: i think this is good
josuke: i don tthink s13 is sente
dreamz [9d\]: s13 isn't sente
josuke: but its big
josuke: its either s13 right now
dreamz [9d\]: but black will get to play q13, r13, s14, t15 all in sente
josuke: ya its a high value move
purp [4k\]: n6
dreamz [9d\]: s13 is so much thickness it's like your playing a move to attack o4 directly
RoyalCrown [7d\]: s13 no sente? s18 next
josuke: ya, hard to imagine, minju not playign it
dreamz [9d\]: s18 q18
RoyalCrown [7d\]: s14
dreamz [9d\]: r15
josuke: ya its 1 off
RoyalCrown [7d\]: \]s16
dreamz [9d\]: t16
josuke: atari
josuke: but either way
josuke: big value
RoyalCrown [7d\]: ok no sente
]
;B[nq]BL[294.421]C[josuke: notlikethis
RoyalCrown [7d\]: if no sente = small
dreamz [9d\]: it's still soooo big even if not sente
josuke: i think its bigger than o3
josuke: tbh
RoyalCrown [7d\]: but still adji
a11 [2d\]: b play safe win
]
;W[lp]WL[245.012]C[kmr [2d\]: is black really leading?
dreamz [9d\]: ok even got white to answer again
josuke: even better
]
;B[rg]BL[264.754]C[josuke: SEE
Harmonic [7d\]: if b loses I lose $
josuke: my godness finally
josuke: i was yelling out loud for minju to play thta
josuke: god bless
]
;W[pk]WL[223.411]C[dreamz [9d\]: q9?
dreamz [9d\]: s18
fly [1k\]: You are betting on Ming Jiu?
sdfafafa: maybe exchange S18 first for better endgame
josuke: ya just force capture in corner and then q8
dreamz [9d\]: white won't answr at s18 anyway, but q9 is really close to thickness
sh [5k\]: Genius guests
dreamz [9d\]: just play s18 now
Harmonic [7d\]: ofc
Harmonic [7d\]: lots of $$
josuke: ya force and then q8, and its lots of $$ haha
]
;B[pl]BL[183.273]C[josuke: wait
josuke: why doesnt he force first
josuke: ?\\
dreamz [9d\]: black is proud professional player
josuke: i guess
josuke: xd
RoyalCrown [7d\]: s18 is ko threat
purp [4k\]: to me it looks like b is protecting center
]
;W[qo]WL[154.951]C[a11 [2d\]: w got some chance now
dreamz [9d\]: i would happily waste a few of my ko threats to make it certain white can't do anything, but I am coward
]
;B[qm]BL[141.866]C[josuke: same xd
fly [1k\]: Tiger's mouth! !!
josuke: i would have p9 as opposed to r7 tho
dreamz [9d\]: oh no see r7 is too slow
josuke: i dont like r7
dreamz [9d\]: if you have exchange every move in top right you can see r7 is slow
josuke: exactly!
josuke: and i dont see a ko happening anyways
Harmonic [7d\]: r7 so meta
josuke: its so beta...
fly [1k\]: How many points is s18??
kmr [2d\]: so BensonDarr doesnt like white R11 move from fuseki, he likes Q13, then if black O13-M17
]
;W[rp]WL[59.324]
;B[qq]BL[137.259]
;W[oo]WL[51.989]C[josuke: b15 seems big
U [-\]: that sounds like a bot idea nobody would play
josuke: 16
DapperDan [1d\]: White needs to stop probing and get down to business
purp [4k\]: q5
josuke: n3 seems kinda necessary here
kmr [2d\]: yes, BensonDarr is a bot, a damn strong one
josuke: although its slow
RobertT [-\]: kmr, both are common and both are played by bots
]
;B[mq]BL[84.225]
;W[rq]WL[38.685]
;B[rr]BL[81.544]C[josuke: i see ryan fixing here
fly [1k\]: b plays like he thinks he is ahead?
U [-\]: and i wouldnt trust a bots opinion as far as i could throw it
josuke: i see l7 type moves
dreamz [9d\]: B is ahead:)
josuke: to fix
josuke: and then minju takes b16
fly [1k\]: How far?
josuke: and i think hes got it
kmr [2d\]: after AG and AZ, nothing can be trusted, except Dosaku ofc
]
;W[nm]WL[2.112]
;B[mp]BL[22.428]C[josuke: m6
]
;W[ol]WL[30]OW[10]C[dreamz [9d\]: m6 n5 i don't think you can defend all the cuts
josuke: i mean
josuke: i think m6 n5 trade
josuke: and then p8 is better
josuke: but its not that big of a differencfe
U [-\]: well better to leave it
U [-\]: if you have the choice
josuke: i feel like the aji at r9 is just bad, like minju coulda fixed it much earlier by playng s18
fly [1k\]: Someone seems to be losing segments like crazy!
]
;B[qn]BL[30]OB[8]C[josuke: ?
josuke: uh
a11 [2d\]: w is getting some points back
josuke: is that a misclike
dreamz [9d\]: no misclick
josuke: q3?
josuke: 4*
dreamz [9d\]: q4 s5
]
;W[po]WL[30]OW[9]C[dreamz [9d\]: black willing to trade
josuke: i see
xDragon [?\]: Yeah q5 only option
josuke: but whats the point
Sorry [8d\]: r6 was a wonderful move
josuke: of r6 q5 then
]
;B[rb]BL[30]OB[8]C[dreamz [9d\]: if r6 q5 then just good exchange
josuke: eye spae?
fly [1k\]: finally!
Sorry [8d\]: destroys white's eyeshape
xDragon [?\]: Make w shape more awkward
dreamz [9d\]: yeah eye space
a11 [2d\]: w is getting lot of points back
josuke: i see
Sorry [8d\]: if he doesn't exchange white q7 and it's basically alive
josuke: well hey, you learn something every day xd
]
;W[pb]WL[30]OW[9]
;B[rc]BL[30]OB[8]C[dreamz [9d\]: s18 getting its value as timesuji
fly [1k\]: Fighting W shape!
fly [1k\]: (sorry, jk)
]
;W[pj]WL[30]OW[8]C[josuke: o ho
dreamz [9d\]: bad news is you waited so late and now white is ignoring it
josuke: sad
]
;B[ri]BL[30]OB[8]C[josuke: q10 s11 is so value for white
josuke: next big point after this area would be c14 for white
josuke: not sure he has the time for that tho
]
;W[ra]WL[30]OW[7]
;B[mo]BL[30]OB[8]
;W[lm]WL[30]OW[7]
;B[ml]BL[30]OB[8]C[UBIK [2k\]: so is w leading big?
josuke: no
josuke: i would say its close now tho
dreamz [9d\]: black leads
josuke: since black messed up here
fly [1k\]: by how much?
]
;W[qj]WL[30]OW[7]
;B[rn]BL[30]OB[8]C[sedgwick [?\]: B doesn't have more clear cash, but the weak center stones of white are hard to handle
]
;W[ro]WL[30]OW[7]C[josuke: once white nonects at n7 i see black following wihth l6
]
;B[rk]BL[30]OB[6]C[RobertT [-\]: in the words of a pro teacher, "black has more points but whites weak group is running through blacks territory, so black is hopelessly behind"
]
;W[mn]WL[30]OW[7]C[josuke: uh
josuke: isnt p6 nice
]
;B[lo]BL[30]OB[6]C[josuke: for later
purp [4k\]: p9
josuke: ji
josuke: jk
josuke: it doesnt work
]
;W[pm]WL[30]OW[7]C[fly [1k\]: b threatens to kill the whole thing?
dreamz [9d\]: p6 removes eyespace at least
]
;B[ql]BL[30]OB[6]C[CatWhite [9k\]: m8
josuke: white seems to be
josuke: in some trouble
]
;W[lk]WL[30]OW[7]C[RobertT [-\]: I would take white here
josuke: y i k e s
]
;B[rf]BL[30]OB[6]C[josuke: quick timesuji, i thought he woudl let it run down
Sorry [8d\]: jiang laoshi is very good at fighting in the center
josuke: jiang lao shi xd
fly [1k\]: r15?
josuke: jiang lao shi hasnt played on the scene for a while, but im glad hes back
josuke: would like to see him play at cong
fly [1k\]: ...and win the semiai?
josuke: hes just evaluating the situation
dreamz [9d\]: s14 is just timesuji ko threat
]
;W[ji]WL[30]OW[5]C[josuke: o ho
Sorry [8d\]: wow
josuke: he must feel really behind
josuke: sad
fly [1k\]: "you call that sente?"
]
;B[mk]BL[30]OB[6]C[Sorry [8d\]: a challenge
josuke: i mean hes losing so
josuke: gotta try something
]
;W[mj]WL[30]OW[5]C[purp [4k\]: b looks calm
fly [1k\]: "you call*that* sente??"
]
;B[nj]BL[30]OB[6]C[dreamz [9d\]: b t18 is pretty big
ychen88888 [?\]: K11???
]
;W[ll]WL[30]OW[4]C[Sorry [8d\]: n11 m10 p9 ?
josuke: p9 seems slow here
josuke: but i would n11 m10 then take the r14 stones
Sorry [8d\]: no, he won't settle for that
ychen88888 [?\]: Now Q13
Sorry [8d\]: yes I agree with you
josuke: ya
josuke: but ya he always has p9 later
]
;B[lj]BL[30]OB[4]C[josuke: hm
josuke: i didnt even see this but
josuke: its even better lol
]
;W[mi]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[li]BL[30]OB[4]C[josuke: m11, and false eye
josuke: wonderful
]
;W[ni]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[oi]BL[30]OB[4]C[josuke: honestly impressed he can play so well in byo
]
;W[nk]WL[30]OW[4]C[Pancaku: b is murder machine
]
;B[oj]BL[30]OB[4]C[ychen88888 [?\]: K11 was definitely a mistake.
]
;W[kj]WL[30]OW[4]C[josuke: not so much a mistake as an attempt to come back
josuke: but yes he did lose points overall
]
;B[mh]BL[30]OB[4]C[josuke: white kinda has to go k6
josuke: but he probs wont
]
;W[il]WL[30]OW[4]C[josuke: now black seals the deal by killing the top right
dreamz [9d\]: Oh i just realized
dreamz [9d\]: White can't kill top right in one move
dreamz [9d\]: wait nvm
Tetris [7d\]: what
dreamz [9d\]: hmm
josuke: huh
josuke: lol
josuke: x
josuke: d
josuke: is b16 bigger than top right
josuke: probs not
]
;B[pg]BL[30]OB[2]C[dreamz [9d\]: white can kill top right in one move I'm misreading
josuke: ya
fly [1k\]: not anymore!
josuke: q13 isnt the cleanest move here
dreamz [9d\]: q13 is not best way to kill though
josuke: but it works
josuke: lol
dreamz [9d\]: t18 more points
josuke: ya
josuke: o well
]
;W[dl]WL[30]OW[4]C[josuke: hes in byomi
josuke: so its fine xd
cloudnotes [7d\]: h11
Tetris [7d\]: -25% on q13
Tetris [7d\]: wow
josuke: lmao
josuke: really
cloudnotes [7d\]: h11 is must
]
;B[hi]BL[30]OB[2]C[josuke: ya thta was big
josuke: c14 now probs
]
;W[ck]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[ce]BL[30]OB[2]C[josuke: i mean unless he can kill c9 is just smaller
]
;W[cd]WL[30]OW[4]C[josuke: and i dont think he can
]
;B[bd]BL[30]OB[2]
;W[bc]WL[30]OW[4]C[josuke: next biggest thing is m15
]
;B[bf]BL[30]OB[2]C[sedgwick [?\]: c9 also make the b stones at the bottom thin, so for example black w b3 near sente'
josuke: ya but
]
;W[jo]WL[30]OW[4]C[josuke: if he doesnt kill he doesnt get an ypoints out of it
cloudnotes [7d\]: tetris, whats b14 percent drop?
]
;B[fl]BL[30]OB[2]C[josuke: ya i like connecting more
kmr [2d\]: and ther it is!!Long time ago predicted K5!
]
;W[ad]WL[30]OW[4]C[dreamz [9d\]: 2%
josuke: whos up
josuke: according to comp
dreamz [9d\]: black
josuke: 5?
josuke: %?
]
;B[ae]BL[30]OB[2]
;W[be]WL[30]OW[4]C[Sorry [8d\]: oh dear.
josuke: UH
]
;B[fq]BL[30]OB[2]C[josuke: UH
josuke: UH
cloudnotes [7d\]: f8 like a pass
josuke: what
josuke: is
josuke: going on
]
;W[fr]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[bd]BL[30]OB[2]C[josuke: why did he start a ko
josuke: what?
Sorry [8d\]: he never backs down it seems
josuke: he can connect
josuke: and live
josuke: hello
Pancaku: dragon seals his jaws
josuke: minju giving me a heart attack now
dreamz [9d\]: white doesn't have a threat anyway
RobertT [-\]: f8 was to try to precent f4 stones getting cut off
Sorry [8d\]: lacking threats indeed
dreamz [9d\]: so it's easy to read this ko
]
;W[em]WL[30]OW[3]C[josuke: thats an easy a17
Sorry [8d\]: oh dear it become more complex
]
;B[hm]BL[30]OB[2]
;W[be]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[kn]BL[30]OB[2]C[Sorry [8d\]: o
josuke: j7?
fly [1k\]: nothing
Harmonic [7d\]: b+
josuke: its def
josuke: sente
]
;W[im]WL[30]OW[3]C[josuke: 100%
josuke: but j7 is
josuke: too good for white
]
;B[bd]BL[30]OB[2]
;W[hn]WL[30]OW[3]C[josuke: that is not a good trade
]
;B[gn]BL[30]OB[2]
;W[be]WL[30]OW[3]C[josuke: he coulda just e2 for a threat
josuke: l6 might be losing move
]
;B[ek]BL[30]OB[2]
;W[dk]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[bd]BL[30]OB[2]
;W[hl]WL[30]OW[3]C[josuke: he has to f7 which sucks
]
;B[er]BL[30]OB[2]C[Sorry [8d\]: o?
josuke: timesuji
fly [1k\]: huh?
josuke: l6 is actually
josuke: so bad
josuke: not like this
]
;W[gr]WL[30]OW[3]C[dreamz [9d\]: black was worried about e2 not being a big enough threat i guess
dreamz [9d\]: that's why he took this timing to play it
]
;B[jn]BL[30]OB[2]C[josuke: just take
josuke:
fly [1k\]: my head hurts!
josuke: pretty sure taking works
josuke: kinda complicated but
dreamz [9d\]: uh oh will this be a repeat of last night's game?
]
;W[be]WL[30]OW[2]C[josuke: looks like he cant read it out in 30
josuke: but that makes it more fun
fly [1k\]: What happened lat night?
]
;B[gm]BL[30]OB[1]C[dreamz [9d\]: One player was ahead by a lot then lost
purp [4k\]: b still going for big middle
]
;W[in]WL[30]OW[2]C[josuke: honestly
]
;B[io]BL[30]OB[1]C[josuke: if ryan takes at h7 earlier
josuke: i think he has it
josuke: g7*
Pancaku: oh
]
;W[pn]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[bd]BL[30]OB[1]C[fly [1k\]: so... where are w's eyes?
Mustang [9d\]: Go Ryan!!!
josuke: he has 2
Sorry [8d\]: go mingjiu!
josuke: xD
purp [4k\]: go .5 game
]
;W[ac]WL[30]OW[2]C[josuke: wow
Sorry [8d\]: woo
josuke: thats
josuke: beta
Tetris [7d\]: lol
]
;B[cq]BL[30]OB[1]C[josuke: i just hope
josuke: mingju doesnt run out of time lol
purp [4k\]: thats fun
josuke: hes got this one
fly [1k\]: sudden death~!
josuke: but i think l6 was a mistake, and white should have taken at g7
]
;W[cr]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[bq]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[dr]WL[30]OW[2]C[purp [4k\]: h15
]
;B[di]BL[30]OB[1]C[U [-\]: SE is pretty accurate right now
]
;W[fk]WL[30]OW[2]C[SuperAwe [3k\]: was that sarcasm?
]
;B[dp]BL[30]OB[1]C[AlphaG0 [-\]: U is a troll
]
;W[be]WL[30]OW[2]C[josuke: nice trade for mingju again
josuke: e10 works
Tetris [7d\]: ??
U [-\]: says the guy whos life is so sad he has to pretend to be a bot
Pancaku: laugh all you can, but Alpha Go started from SE
]
;B[no]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[nn]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[bd]BL[30]OB[1]C[fly [1k\]: sudden death both ways!
josuke: i think he might resign hree
]
;W[el]WL[30]OW[1]C[cloudnotes [7d\]: w is winning
dreamz [9d\]: no way
U [-\]: you seem lilke the only one convinced that b is 50 pts ahead josuke
]
;B[be]BL[30]OB[1]C[josuke: how did you count the top andy
cloudnotes [7d\]: black needed to f9 just now
cloudnotes [7d\]: oh well
Mustang [9d\]: isn't h 16 big
]
;W[de]WL[30]OW[1]C[josuke: its huge
josuke: thats why i asked how he counted the top
cloudnotes [7d\]: h9 now
]
;B[bk]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[bl]WL[30]OW[1]C[Sorry [8d\]: isn't h16 sente for b too?
]
;B[ij]BL[30]OB[1]C[cloudnotes [7d\]: top h17 sente
]
;W[jj]WL[30]OW[1]C[cloudnotes [7d\]: just corner and right top
josuke: i think if black gets h17 he wins
fly [1k\]: k8?
]
;B[le]BL[30]OB[1]C[SuperAwe [3k\]: timesuji
AlphaG0 [-\]: no
]
;W[ld]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[gc]BL[30]OB[1]C[josuke: h17
josuke: k2 also big
]
;W[bg]WL[30]OW[1]C[josuke: for black
]
;B[cg]BL[30]OB[1]C[lofuchi [3k\]: L16 works or not?
]
;W[bh]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[df]BL[30]OB[1]C[josuke: well white just lost a couple points
Sorry [8d\]: it works
]
;W[ak]WL[30]OW[1]C[lofuchi [3k\]: thx
Sorry [8d\]: a11 ?
ychen88888 [?\]: ko
josuke: ya a11
Sorry [8d\]: not ko
]
;B[ai]BL[30]OB[1]C[dreamz [9d\]: just connect
Sorry [8d\]: connect would be seki?
josuke: ya
ychen88888 [?\]: A14
Sorry [8d\]: black is alive
dreamz [9d\]: seki is better if it means black g15 is sente
]
;W[ic]WL[30]OW[1]C[Sorry [8d\]: has d12 eye
josuke: its not a ko
josuke: because
josuke: ya
josuke: d12 eye
Sorry [8d\]: depends on sente seki or gote
josuke: f18 then
josuke: k2 for black
]
;B[fb]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[eb]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[fe]BL[30]OB[1]C[RobertT [-\]: m15 seemed bad
]
;W[ee]WL[30]OW[1]C[josuke: i mean it was, but tis a timesuji so what can you do
]
;B[ge]BL[30]OB[1]C[josuke: f15 seems bad
U [-\]: it wasnt though
josuke: i think white does not have to connect
]
;W[gb]WL[30]OW[1]C[dreamz [9d\]: p9 biggest endgame
]
;B[hb]BL[30]OB[1]C[josuke: yikes
]
;W[fa]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[hc]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[jd]WL[30]OW[1]C[josuke: ya p9 is bigger than k2
dreamz [9d\]: bigger than k16 also
dreamz [9d\]: connect at l18 threatens to recapture l17
]
;B[ok]BL[30]OB[1]C[josuke: nicee
josuke: white will conect and then black can k2
josuke: and i think black wins
RobertT [-\]: l16 directly instead seemed to save without needed g17. the throw in reduced the lib so black needed g17 first
]
;W[nl]WL[30]OW[1]C[josuke: k2!
]
;B[nh]BL[30]OB[1]C[josuke: yikes k2 was bigger
]
;W[lr]WL[30]OW[1]C[josuke: not like this
Sorry [8d\]: l2 looks like tesuji
]
;B[jp]BL[30]OB[1]C[Sorry [8d\]: aw
U [-\]: i want w to win only cause so josuke will be sad at this point
josuke: l2 looked cool actually
Sorry [8d\]: I'm fairly sure l2 worked
]
;W[mr]WL[30]OW[1]C[Sorry [8d\]: 30 seconds though
josuke: ya it worked
josuke: thats a nice move you saw there
]
;B[lq]BL[30]OB[1]C[josuke: did you study with mingju?
]
;W[jq]WL[30]OW[1]C[Sorry [8d\]: yes
josuke: nice
]
;B[nr]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[br]WL[30]OW[1]C[Sorry [8d\]: woaw
dreamz [9d\]: o2 obviously should be l2t.t
josuke: uh
U [-\]: well one day you wont farm rank on bots i guess
]
;B[kr]BL[30]OB[1]C[SuperAwe [3k\]: ?
]
;W[aq]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[bp]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[jr]WL[30]OW[1]C[SuperAwe [3k\]: why this exchange?
]
;B[kq]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[sr]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[qr]BL[30]OB[1]C[josuke: white didnt lose too much there
]
;W[ip]WL[30]OW[1]C[Sorry [8d\]: No need to throw slights here
]
;B[ko]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[ho]WL[30]OW[1]C[josuke: its ok sorry, just ignore the guy
fly [1k\]: sudden death!
josuke: hes just trying to get attention
]
;B[gl]BL[30]OB[1]C[josuke: but b2 was big
]
;W[bj]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[bi]BL[30]OB[1]C[SuperAwe [3k\]: g5/
]
;W[sb]WL[30]OW[1]C[SuperAwe [3k\]: g5?
dreamz [9d\]: g5 f5
josuke: t16
Sorry [8d\]: doesn't do much
dreamz [9d\]: black will live seperately
josuke: t16
]
;B[sd]BL[30]OB[1]C[josuke: thank godness
josuke: i think if white t16 instead of t18
josuke: he gets more points ya?
]
;W[ks]WL[30]OW[1]C[dreamz [9d\]: t16 618
]
;B[ms]BL[30]OB[1]C[dreamz [9d\]: t16 t18*
josuke: o
josuke: ya you right
dreamz [9d\]: that's less points
josuke: i thought
josuke: he had to fill
Sorry [8d\]: j18 now?
]
;W[dn]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[go]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[ik]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[kf]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[jf]WL[30]OW[1]C[josuke: white losing by a lot
]
;B[kg]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[ib]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[ia]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[ja]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[le]BL[30]OB[1]C[sedgwick [?\]: really, I don't count that;)
]
;W[kd]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[ha]BL[30]OB[1]C[RobertT [-\]: like 7
josuke: anything more than 5 is a lot
josuke:
RobertT [-\]: anything more than 2 is a lot
]
;W[bn]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[cn]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[cm]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[an]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[am]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[bm]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[js]WL[30]OW[1]C[josuke: either way was a fun game to watcfh
]
;B[ls]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[bn]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[cc]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[cb]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[bm]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[sn]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[sm]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[bn]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[dc]BL[30]OB[1]C[josuke: nice endgame
Harmonic [7d\]: oof
josuke: gg
SuperAwe [3k\]: gg
BoneSaw [3d\]: aouch, was that on purpose?
AGATD [-\]: Congratulations to Mingjiu Jiang, who will play Andy Liu tomorrow night to determine the second representative to the Tiangfu Cup.
josuke: same time?
xedover [?\]: great game
ticktock [-\]: Congrats Mingjiu
Pancaku: gg. b= monster
josuke: gg ill see you folks tomorrow
purp [4k\]: i feel like i'v ebeen watching for a solid day. what time is game tomorrow
Harmonic [7d\]: I won a lot f $$
Pancaku: thanks to all high dans for comments!
ticktock [-\]: The
])
(;B[ip]BL[1155.283]C[dreamz [9d\]: and again
Petrosian [3k\]: heh
]))
(;B[rb]BL[1165.926]))
(;W[fc]WL[1186.347]
;B[qk]BL[1177.108]))
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[1200]OT[10x30 byo-yomi]
PW[Crazywind]PB[mingjiu]WR[8d]BR[7p]DT[2018-08-24]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]RE[B+Time]
;B[pd]BL[1192.985]
;W[dd]WL[1194.61]
;B[qp]BL[1192.191]
;W[dq]WL[1193.575]
;B[oq]BL[1188.882]
;W[qf]WL[1192.668]
;B[co]BL[1187.369]
;W[nc]WL[1191.788]
;B[nd]BL[1186.634]
;W[md]WL[1191.055]
;B[ne]BL[1185.988]
;W[pc]WL[1190.409]
;B[qc]BL[1184.139]
;W[oc]WL[1189.637]
;B[qd]BL[1183.542]
;W[qi]WL[1188.83]
;B[ep]BL[1181.26]
;W[eq]WL[1188.229]
;B[fp]BL[1180.532]
;W[gq]WL[1187.456]
;B[cj]BL[1178.72]
(;W[cp]WL[1186.029]
;B[bo]BL[1177.465]
;W[fc]WL[1185.155]
;B[qk]BL[1175.738]
;W[me]WL[1184.369]
;B[mf]BL[1174.812]C[RobertT [-\]: wow, spend more time on opening. don't have to blitz it.
]
;W[lf]WL[1183.541]
;B[mg]BL[1173.444]
;W[od]WL[1182.94]
;B[oe]BL[1172.592]
;W[pe]WL[1182.064]
;B[mc]BL[1171.272]C[dreamz [9d\]: hehe they messed up once
]
;W[nf]WL[1180.7]
;B[of]BL[1170.508]
;W[og]WL[1179.951]
;B[ng]BL[1169.839]
;W[pf]WL[1179.349]C[Petrosian [3k\]: These guys are good.
]
;B[nf]BL[1169.098]
;W[mb]WL[1178.71]
;B[lc]BL[1168.112]
;W[lb]WL[1178.13]
;B[kc]BL[1166.987]
;W[qb]WL[1177.339]
(;B[oh]BL[1164.363]C[dreamz [9d\]: and again
]
;W[re]WL[1168.153]C[Petrosian [3k\]: another mistake
]
;B[gd]BL[1161.996]
;W[fd]WL[1167.37]
;B[gf]BL[1161.308]
;W[ke]WL[1166.316]
;B[lg]BL[1159.073]
;W[je]WL[1165.305]
;B[ig]BL[1158.355]
;W[jc]WL[1164.287]
;B[gp]BL[1156.564]
;W[hq]WL[1163.242]
;B[hp]BL[1155.871]
;W[iq]WL[1162.355]C[k0n0:
]
(;B[dg]BL[1153.13]C[Petrosian [3k\]: build the wall!
]
;W[dj]WL[1152.139]
;B[ci]BL[1151.376]
;W[ii]WL[1151.205]
;B[id]BL[1148.397]
;W[ie]WL[1150.278]C[RobertT [-\]: they're trying to sneak in some exchanges
]
;B[jh]BL[1146.08]
;W[gh]WL[1148.742]
;B[gj]BL[1145.493]
;W[fj]WL[1147.718]C[UBIK [2k\]: haha
U [-\]: all goood now
dreamz [9d\]: Pretty fast opening!
fly [1k\]: With only 20 minutes main time, they have to hurry!
]
;B[gi]BL[1077.492]C[josuke: well
josuke: called it hehe
fly [1k\]: I'm sure glad I'm not playing! Hey you high-dans... what's gonna happen next??
Petrosian [3k\]: j9?
U [-\]: probably white will; play somewhere
josuke: e12
josuke: or f11
]
;W[fi]WL[1011.378]
;B[gk]BL[1071.236]C[kmr [2d\]: they should start game with 5 min main time and add time to set previous time
Petrosian [3k\]: too late
kmr [2d\]: now black has more time than he had
kmr [2d\]: a bit unfair
U [-\]: white did too
U [-\]: so does it matter?
dreamz [9d\]: They both have more time
fly [1k\]: Makes no difference; once they get into byoyomi a few minutes will equal out.
dreamz [9d\]: It's normal to account for the disruption
Petrosian [3k\]: its close
josuke: f13
RobertT [-\]: they were both at 16 minutes when they reset. the 4 minutes that ran down on blacks clock was the tournament director explaining hte situation to the players and remaking the game
RobertT [-\]: so they both got 3 minutes extra
kmr [2d\]: i trust you, so its ok
AGATD [-\]: Correct, Robert.
Petrosian [3k\]: f14 is any good?
josuke: f13 is better
josuke: if f14, black f13, and white cut
josuke: white can aim for c9 probe later
josuke: as well
Petrosian [3k\]: maybe b can tenuki f13?
josuke: if white f13, black will h12
a11 [2d\]: d12
josuke: then white will o4 area
randaoms: try e13
Petrosian [3k\]: ya thats what i thought
excko [1k\]: e13 not bad
josuke: e13 or try at c9 first
josuke: but c9 is a bit risky
josuke: sorry
josuke: f1
]
;W[fg]WL[664.798]C[josuke: f13
josuke: ya
josuke: whoops
josuke: its the only move here
excko [1k\]: solid
josuke: i dont think black can block at f14
josuke: has to play h12
josuke: make whtie connect
josuke: then go for l4 area
purp [4k\]: h12
fly [1k\]: L4 area? Um... I guess if w passed there's territory there
josuke: h12, f14, l4
josuke: then white will aim for p11
josuke: or probe at r5
fly [1k\]: Any skilled player care to speculate?
RobertT [-\]: it will be jigo
fly [1k\]: I'd bet against jigo.
fly [1k\]: what if f14?
josuke: if black f15, white h12 and there is no chance he dies in the center
josuke: and then black loses on points
a11 [2d\]: f14 is a fight
josuke: its impossible to kill that, so I highly doubt minju will go for it
]
;B[hh]BL[660.443]C[a11 [2d\]: f14 b may not win the fight
fly [1k\]: wow!
fly [1k\]: oh... no f14 would work?
einsteiger [4k\]: center is big
josuke: like i said earlier, h12, f14, l4
Petrosian [3k\]: f14 seems too small noiw
josuke: there is no other move
excko [1k\]: its a must
]
;W[ff]WL[508.708]C[dreamz [9d\]: f13 will die if you don't connect
]
;B[gg]BL[655.937]
;W[fh]WL[507.477]C[josuke: now l4
dreamz [9d\]: w could also connect with g13 instead of f13
a11 [2d\]: too small
]
;B[qh]BL[641.393]C[Petrosian [3k\]: is it enough of a reduction for w?
josuke: honestly, i dont like r12
a11 [2d\]: b is winning
josuke: i still think l4 bigger
purp [4k\]: b has i nvisible shields over the center
einsteiger [4k\]: k5?
CatWhite [9k\]: P5?
a11 [2d\]: f14 too small
Petrosian [3k\]: w tenuki?
dreamz [9d\]: r12 sente before coming to k4
josuke: ya
josuke: r12, then i would go o4
dreamz [9d\]: s12 q11 s11 k4
sdfafafa: w must respond
purp [4k\]: r5
]
;W[np]WL[321.62]C[josuke: o yikes
josuke: thats too early
dreamz [9d\]: s13
josuke: s12 is so big bro
josuke: why would you not
josuke: respond
josuke: shm
Petrosian [3k\]: looks small to me
RoyalCrown [7d\]: s13 good)
RoyalCrown [7d\]: sente i think
josuke: if ryan s12, mingju q11 then ryan o4, i would like white
josuke: now i think he tossed
excko [1k\]: prepare for something like s7
excko [1k\]: i think this is good
josuke: i don tthink s13 is sente
dreamz [9d\]: s13 isn't sente
josuke: but its big
josuke: its either s13 right now
dreamz [9d\]: but black will get to play q13, r13, s14, t15 all in sente
josuke: ya its a high value move
purp [4k\]: n6
dreamz [9d\]: s13 is so much thickness it's like your playing a move to attack o4 directly
RoyalCrown [7d\]: s13 no sente? s18 next
josuke: ya, hard to imagine, minju not playign it
dreamz [9d\]: s18 q18
RoyalCrown [7d\]: s14
dreamz [9d\]: r15
josuke: ya its 1 off
RoyalCrown [7d\]: \]s16
dreamz [9d\]: t16
josuke: atari
josuke: but either way
josuke: big value
RoyalCrown [7d\]: ok no sente
]
;B[nq]BL[294.421]C[josuke: notlikethis
RoyalCrown [7d\]: if no sente = small
dreamz [9d\]: it's still soooo big even if not sente
josuke: i think its bigger than o3
josuke: tbh
RoyalCrown [7d\]: but still adji
a11 [2d\]: b play safe win
]
;W[lp]WL[245.012]C[kmr [2d\]: is black really leading?
dreamz [9d\]: ok even got white to answer again
josuke: even better
]
;B[rg]BL[264.754]C[josuke: SEE
Harmonic [7d\]: if b loses I lose $
josuke: my godness finally
josuke: i was yelling out loud for minju to play thta
josuke: god bless
]
;W[pk]WL[223.411]C[dreamz [9d\]: q9?
dreamz [9d\]: s18
fly [1k\]: You are betting on Ming Jiu?
sdfafafa: maybe exchange S18 first for better endgame
josuke: ya just force capture in corner and then q8
dreamz [9d\]: white won't answr at s18 anyway, but q9 is really close to thickness
sh [5k\]: Genius guests
dreamz [9d\]: just play s18 now
Harmonic [7d\]: ofc
Harmonic [7d\]: lots of $$
josuke: ya force and then q8, and its lots of $$ haha
]
;B[pl]BL[183.273]C[josuke: wait
josuke: why doesnt he force first
josuke: ?\\
dreamz [9d\]: black is proud professional player
josuke: i guess
josuke: xd
RoyalCrown [7d\]: s18 is ko threat
purp [4k\]: to me it looks like b is protecting center
]
;W[qo]WL[154.951]C[a11 [2d\]: w got some chance now
dreamz [9d\]: i would happily waste a few of my ko threats to make it certain white can't do anything, but I am coward
]
;B[qm]BL[141.866]C[josuke: same xd
fly [1k\]: Tiger's mouth! !!
josuke: i would have p9 as opposed to r7 tho
dreamz [9d\]: oh no see r7 is too slow
josuke: i dont like r7
dreamz [9d\]: if you have exchange every move in top right you can see r7 is slow
josuke: exactly!
josuke: and i dont see a ko happening anyways
Harmonic [7d\]: r7 so meta
josuke: its so beta...
fly [1k\]: How many points is s18??
kmr [2d\]: so BensonDarr doesnt like white R11 move from fuseki, he likes Q13, then if black O13-M17
]
;W[rp]WL[59.324]
;B[qq]BL[137.259]
;W[oo]WL[51.989]C[josuke: b15 seems big
U [-\]: that sounds like a bot idea nobody would play
josuke: 16
DapperDan [1d\]: White needs to stop probing and get down to business
purp [4k\]: q5
josuke: n3 seems kinda necessary here
kmr [2d\]: yes, BensonDarr is a bot, a damn strong one
josuke: although its slow
RobertT [-\]: kmr, both are common and both are played by bots
]
;B[mq]BL[84.225]
;W[rq]WL[38.685]
;B[rr]BL[81.544]C[josuke: i see ryan fixing here
fly [1k\]: b plays like he thinks he is ahead?
U [-\]: and i wouldnt trust a bots opinion as far as i could throw it
josuke: i see l7 type moves
dreamz [9d\]: B is ahead:)
josuke: to fix
josuke: and then minju takes b16
fly [1k\]: How far?
josuke: and i think hes got it
kmr [2d\]: after AG and AZ, nothing can be trusted, except Dosaku ofc
]
;W[nm]WL[2.112]
;B[mp]BL[22.428]C[josuke: m6
]
;W[ol]WL[30]OW[10]C[dreamz [9d\]: m6 n5 i don't think you can defend all the cuts
josuke: i mean
josuke: i think m6 n5 trade
josuke: and then p8 is better
josuke: but its not that big of a differencfe
U [-\]: well better to leave it
U [-\]: if you have the choice
josuke: i feel like the aji at r9 is just bad, like minju coulda fixed it much earlier by playng s18
fly [1k\]: Someone seems to be losing segments like crazy!
]
;B[qn]BL[30]OB[8]C[josuke: ?
josuke: uh
a11 [2d\]: w is getting some points back
josuke: is that a misclike
dreamz [9d\]: no misclick
josuke: q3?
josuke: 4*
dreamz [9d\]: q4 s5
]
;W[po]WL[30]OW[9]C[dreamz [9d\]: black willing to trade
josuke: i see
xDragon [?\]: Yeah q5 only option
josuke: but whats the point
Sorry [8d\]: r6 was a wonderful move
josuke: of r6 q5 then
]
;B[rb]BL[30]OB[8]C[dreamz [9d\]: if r6 q5 then just good exchange
josuke: eye spae?
fly [1k\]: finally!
Sorry [8d\]: destroys white's eyeshape
xDragon [?\]: Make w shape more awkward
dreamz [9d\]: yeah eye space
a11 [2d\]: w is getting lot of points back
josuke: i see
Sorry [8d\]: if he doesn't exchange white q7 and it's basically alive
josuke: well hey, you learn something every day xd
]
;W[pb]WL[30]OW[9]
;B[rc]BL[30]OB[8]C[dreamz [9d\]: s18 getting its value as timesuji
fly [1k\]: Fighting W shape!
fly [1k\]: (sorry, jk)
]
;W[pj]WL[30]OW[8]C[josuke: o ho
dreamz [9d\]: bad news is you waited so late and now white is ignoring it
josuke: sad
]
;B[ri]BL[30]OB[8]C[josuke: q10 s11 is so value for white
josuke: next big point after this area would be c14 for white
josuke: not sure he has the time for that tho
]
;W[ra]WL[30]OW[7]
;B[mo]BL[30]OB[8]
;W[lm]WL[30]OW[7]
;B[ml]BL[30]OB[8]C[UBIK [2k\]: so is w leading big?
josuke: no
josuke: i would say its close now tho
dreamz [9d\]: black leads
josuke: since black messed up here
fly [1k\]: by how much?
]
;W[qj]WL[30]OW[7]
;B[rn]BL[30]OB[8]C[sedgwick [?\]: B doesn't have more clear cash, but the weak center stones of white are hard to handle
]
;W[ro]WL[30]OW[7]C[josuke: once white nonects at n7 i see black following wihth l6
]
;B[rk]BL[30]OB[6]C[RobertT [-\]: in the words of a pro teacher, "black has more points but whites weak group is running through blacks territory, so black is hopelessly behind"
]
;W[mn]WL[30]OW[7]C[josuke: uh
josuke: isnt p6 nice
]
;B[lo]BL[30]OB[6]C[josuke: for later
purp [4k\]: p9
josuke: ji
josuke: jk
josuke: it doesnt work
]
;W[pm]WL[30]OW[7]C[fly [1k\]: b threatens to kill the whole thing?
dreamz [9d\]: p6 removes eyespace at least
]
;B[ql]BL[30]OB[6]C[CatWhite [9k\]: m8
josuke: white seems to be
josuke: in some trouble
]
;W[lk]WL[30]OW[7]C[RobertT [-\]: I would take white here
josuke: y i k e s
]
;B[rf]BL[30]OB[6]C[josuke: quick timesuji, i thought he woudl let it run down
Sorry [8d\]: jiang laoshi is very good at fighting in the center
josuke: jiang lao shi xd
fly [1k\]: r15?
josuke: jiang lao shi hasnt played on the scene for a while, but im glad hes back
josuke: would like to see him play at cong
fly [1k\]: ...and win the semiai?
josuke: hes just evaluating the situation
dreamz [9d\]: s14 is just timesuji ko threat
]
;W[ji]WL[30]OW[5]C[josuke: o ho
Sorry [8d\]: wow
josuke: he must feel really behind
josuke: sad
fly [1k\]: "you call that sente?"
]
;B[mk]BL[30]OB[6]C[Sorry [8d\]: a challenge
josuke: i mean hes losing so
josuke: gotta try something
]
;W[mj]WL[30]OW[5]C[purp [4k\]: b looks calm
fly [1k\]: "you call*that* sente??"
]
;B[nj]BL[30]OB[6]C[dreamz [9d\]: b t18 is pretty big
ychen88888 [?\]: K11???
]
;W[ll]WL[30]OW[4]C[Sorry [8d\]: n11 m10 p9 ?
josuke: p9 seems slow here
josuke: but i would n11 m10 then take the r14 stones
Sorry [8d\]: no, he won't settle for that
ychen88888 [?\]: Now Q13
Sorry [8d\]: yes I agree with you
josuke: ya
josuke: but ya he always has p9 later
]
;B[lj]BL[30]OB[4]C[josuke: hm
josuke: i didnt even see this but
josuke: its even better lol
]
;W[mi]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[li]BL[30]OB[4]C[josuke: m11, and false eye
josuke: wonderful
]
;W[ni]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[oi]BL[30]OB[4]C[josuke: honestly impressed he can play so well in byo
]
;W[nk]WL[30]OW[4]C[Pancaku: b is murder machine
]
;B[oj]BL[30]OB[4]C[ychen88888 [?\]: K11 was definitely a mistake.
]
;W[kj]WL[30]OW[4]C[josuke: not so much a mistake as an attempt to come back
josuke: but yes he did lose points overall
]
;B[mh]BL[30]OB[4]C[josuke: white kinda has to go k6
josuke: but he probs wont
]
;W[il]WL[30]OW[4]C[josuke: now black seals the deal by killing the top right
dreamz [9d\]: Oh i just realized
dreamz [9d\]: White can't kill top right in one move
dreamz [9d\]: wait nvm
Tetris [7d\]: what
dreamz [9d\]: hmm
josuke: huh
josuke: lol
josuke: x
josuke: d
josuke: is b16 bigger than top right
josuke: probs not
]
;B[pg]BL[30]OB[2]C[dreamz [9d\]: white can kill top right in one move I'm misreading
josuke: ya
fly [1k\]: not anymore!
josuke: q13 isnt the cleanest move here
dreamz [9d\]: q13 is not best way to kill though
josuke: but it works
josuke: lol
dreamz [9d\]: t18 more points
josuke: ya
josuke: o well
]
;W[dl]WL[30]OW[4]C[josuke: hes in byomi
josuke: so its fine xd
cloudnotes [7d\]: h11
Tetris [7d\]: -25% on q13
Tetris [7d\]: wow
josuke: lmao
josuke: really
cloudnotes [7d\]: h11 is must
]
;B[hi]BL[30]OB[2]C[josuke: ya thta was big
josuke: c14 now probs
]
;W[ck]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[ce]BL[30]OB[2]C[josuke: i mean unless he can kill c9 is just smaller
]
;W[cd]WL[30]OW[4]C[josuke: and i dont think he can
]
;B[bd]BL[30]OB[2]
;W[bc]WL[30]OW[4]C[josuke: next biggest thing is m15
]
;B[bf]BL[30]OB[2]C[sedgwick [?\]: c9 also make the b stones at the bottom thin, so for example black w b3 near sente'
josuke: ya but
]
;W[jo]WL[30]OW[4]C[josuke: if he doesnt kill he doesnt get an ypoints out of it
cloudnotes [7d\]: tetris, whats b14 percent drop?
]
;B[fl]BL[30]OB[2]C[josuke: ya i like connecting more
kmr [2d\]: and ther it is!!Long time ago predicted K5!
]
;W[ad]WL[30]OW[4]C[dreamz [9d\]: 2%
josuke: whos up
josuke: according to comp
dreamz [9d\]: black
josuke: 5?
josuke: %?
]
;B[ae]BL[30]OB[2]
;W[be]WL[30]OW[4]C[Sorry [8d\]: oh dear.
josuke: UH
]
;B[fq]BL[30]OB[2]C[josuke: UH
josuke: UH
cloudnotes [7d\]: f8 like a pass
josuke: what
josuke: is
josuke: going on
]
;W[fr]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[bd]BL[30]OB[2]C[josuke: why did he start a ko
josuke: what?
Sorry [8d\]: he never backs down it seems
josuke: he can connect
josuke: and live
josuke: hello
Pancaku: dragon seals his jaws
josuke: minju giving me a heart attack now
dreamz [9d\]: white doesn't have a threat anyway
RobertT [-\]: f8 was to try to precent f4 stones getting cut off
Sorry [8d\]: lacking threats indeed
dreamz [9d\]: so it's easy to read this ko
]
;W[em]WL[30]OW[3]C[josuke: thats an easy a17
Sorry [8d\]: oh dear it become more complex
]
;B[hm]BL[30]OB[2]
;W[be]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[kn]BL[30]OB[2]C[Sorry [8d\]: o
josuke: j7?
fly [1k\]: nothing
Harmonic [7d\]: b+
josuke: its def
josuke: sente
]
;W[im]WL[30]OW[3]C[josuke: 100%
josuke: but j7 is
josuke: too good for white
]
;B[bd]BL[30]OB[2]
;W[hn]WL[30]OW[3]C[josuke: that is not a good trade
]
;B[gn]BL[30]OB[2]
;W[be]WL[30]OW[3]C[josuke: he coulda just e2 for a threat
josuke: l6 might be losing move
]
;B[ek]BL[30]OB[2]
;W[dk]WL[30]OW[3]
;B[bd]BL[30]OB[2]
;W[hl]WL[30]OW[3]C[josuke: he has to f7 which sucks
]
;B[er]BL[30]OB[2]C[Sorry [8d\]: o?
josuke: timesuji
fly [1k\]: huh?
josuke: l6 is actually
josuke: so bad
josuke: not like this
]
;W[gr]WL[30]OW[3]C[dreamz [9d\]: black was worried about e2 not being a big enough threat i guess
dreamz [9d\]: that's why he took this timing to play it
]
;B[jn]BL[30]OB[2]C[josuke: just take
josuke:
fly [1k\]: my head hurts!
josuke: pretty sure taking works
josuke: kinda complicated but
dreamz [9d\]: uh oh will this be a repeat of last night's game?
]
;W[be]WL[30]OW[2]C[josuke: looks like he cant read it out in 30
josuke: but that makes it more fun
fly [1k\]: What happened lat night?
]
;B[gm]BL[30]OB[1]C[dreamz [9d\]: One player was ahead by a lot then lost
purp [4k\]: b still going for big middle
]
;W[in]WL[30]OW[2]C[josuke: honestly
]
;B[io]BL[30]OB[1]C[josuke: if ryan takes at h7 earlier
josuke: i think he has it
josuke: g7*
Pancaku: oh
]
;W[pn]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[bd]BL[30]OB[1]C[fly [1k\]: so... where are w's eyes?
Mustang [9d\]: Go Ryan!!!
josuke: he has 2
Sorry [8d\]: go mingjiu!
josuke: xD
purp [4k\]: go .5 game
]
;W[ac]WL[30]OW[2]C[josuke: wow
Sorry [8d\]: woo
josuke: thats
josuke: beta
Tetris [7d\]: lol
]
;B[cq]BL[30]OB[1]C[josuke: i just hope
josuke: mingju doesnt run out of time lol
purp [4k\]: thats fun
josuke: hes got this one
fly [1k\]: sudden death~!
josuke: but i think l6 was a mistake, and white should have taken at g7
]
;W[cr]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[bq]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[dr]WL[30]OW[2]C[purp [4k\]: h15
]
;B[di]BL[30]OB[1]C[U [-\]: SE is pretty accurate right now
]
;W[fk]WL[30]OW[2]C[SuperAwe [3k\]: was that sarcasm?
]
;B[dp]BL[30]OB[1]C[AlphaG0 [-\]: U is a troll
]
;W[be]WL[30]OW[2]C[josuke: nice trade for mingju again
josuke: e10 works
Tetris [7d\]: ??
U [-\]: says the guy whos life is so sad he has to pretend to be a bot
Pancaku: laugh all you can, but Alpha Go started from SE
]
;B[no]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[nn]WL[30]OW[2]
;B[bd]BL[30]OB[1]C[fly [1k\]: sudden death both ways!
josuke: i think he might resign hree
]
;W[el]WL[30]OW[1]C[cloudnotes [7d\]: w is winning
dreamz [9d\]: no way
U [-\]: you seem lilke the only one convinced that b is 50 pts ahead josuke
]
;B[be]BL[30]OB[1]C[josuke: how did you count the top andy
cloudnotes [7d\]: black needed to f9 just now
cloudnotes [7d\]: oh well
Mustang [9d\]: isn't h 16 big
]
;W[de]WL[30]OW[1]C[josuke: its huge
josuke: thats why i asked how he counted the top
cloudnotes [7d\]: h9 now
]
;B[bk]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[bl]WL[30]OW[1]C[Sorry [8d\]: isn't h16 sente for b too?
]
;B[ij]BL[30]OB[1]C[cloudnotes [7d\]: top h17 sente
]
;W[jj]WL[30]OW[1]C[cloudnotes [7d\]: just corner and right top
josuke: i think if black gets h17 he wins
fly [1k\]: k8?
]
;B[le]BL[30]OB[1]C[SuperAwe [3k\]: timesuji
AlphaG0 [-\]: no
]
;W[ld]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[gc]BL[30]OB[1]C[josuke: h17
josuke: k2 also big
]
;W[bg]WL[30]OW[1]C[josuke: for black
]
;B[cg]BL[30]OB[1]C[lofuchi [3k\]: L16 works or not?
]
;W[bh]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[df]BL[30]OB[1]C[josuke: well white just lost a couple points
Sorry [8d\]: it works
]
;W[ak]WL[30]OW[1]C[lofuchi [3k\]: thx
Sorry [8d\]: a11 ?
ychen88888 [?\]: ko
josuke: ya a11
Sorry [8d\]: not ko
]
;B[ai]BL[30]OB[1]C[dreamz [9d\]: just connect
Sorry [8d\]: connect would be seki?
josuke: ya
ychen88888 [?\]: A14
Sorry [8d\]: black is alive
dreamz [9d\]: seki is better if it means black g15 is sente
]
;W[ic]WL[30]OW[1]C[Sorry [8d\]: has d12 eye
josuke: its not a ko
josuke: because
josuke: ya
josuke: d12 eye
Sorry [8d\]: depends on sente seki or gote
josuke: f18 then
josuke: k2 for black
]
;B[fb]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[eb]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[fe]BL[30]OB[1]C[RobertT [-\]: m15 seemed bad
]
;W[ee]WL[30]OW[1]C[josuke: i mean it was, but tis a timesuji so what can you do
]
;B[ge]BL[30]OB[1]C[josuke: f15 seems bad
U [-\]: it wasnt though
josuke: i think white does not have to connect
]
;W[gb]WL[30]OW[1]C[dreamz [9d\]: p9 biggest endgame
]
;B[hb]BL[30]OB[1]C[josuke: yikes
]
;W[fa]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[hc]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[jd]WL[30]OW[1]C[josuke: ya p9 is bigger than k2
dreamz [9d\]: bigger than k16 also
dreamz [9d\]: connect at l18 threatens to recapture l17
]
;B[ok]BL[30]OB[1]C[josuke: nicee
josuke: white will conect and then black can k2
josuke: and i think black wins
RobertT [-\]: l16 directly instead seemed to save without needed g17. the throw in reduced the lib so black needed g17 first
]
;W[nl]WL[30]OW[1]C[josuke: k2!
]
;B[nh]BL[30]OB[1]C[josuke: yikes k2 was bigger
]
;W[lr]WL[30]OW[1]C[josuke: not like this
Sorry [8d\]: l2 looks like tesuji
]
;B[jp]BL[30]OB[1]C[Sorry [8d\]: aw
U [-\]: i want w to win only cause so josuke will be sad at this point
josuke: l2 looked cool actually
Sorry [8d\]: I'm fairly sure l2 worked
]
;W[mr]WL[30]OW[1]C[Sorry [8d\]: 30 seconds though
josuke: ya it worked
josuke: thats a nice move you saw there
]
;B[lq]BL[30]OB[1]C[josuke: did you study with mingju?
]
;W[jq]WL[30]OW[1]C[Sorry [8d\]: yes
josuke: nice
]
;B[nr]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[br]WL[30]OW[1]C[Sorry [8d\]: woaw
dreamz [9d\]: o2 obviously should be l2t.t
josuke: uh
U [-\]: well one day you wont farm rank on bots i guess
]
;B[kr]BL[30]OB[1]C[SuperAwe [3k\]: ?
]
;W[aq]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[bp]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[jr]WL[30]OW[1]C[SuperAwe [3k\]: why this exchange?
]
;B[kq]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[sr]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[qr]BL[30]OB[1]C[josuke: white didnt lose too much there
]
;W[ip]WL[30]OW[1]C[Sorry [8d\]: No need to throw slights here
]
;B[ko]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[ho]WL[30]OW[1]C[josuke: its ok sorry, just ignore the guy
fly [1k\]: sudden death!
josuke: hes just trying to get attention
]
;B[gl]BL[30]OB[1]C[josuke: but b2 was big
]
;W[bj]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[bi]BL[30]OB[1]C[SuperAwe [3k\]: g5/
]
;W[sb]WL[30]OW[1]C[SuperAwe [3k\]: g5?
dreamz [9d\]: g5 f5
josuke: t16
Sorry [8d\]: doesn't do much
dreamz [9d\]: black will live seperately
josuke: t16
]
;B[sd]BL[30]OB[1]C[josuke: thank godness
josuke: i think if white t16 instead of t18
josuke: he gets more points ya?
]
;W[ks]WL[30]OW[1]C[dreamz [9d\]: t16 618
]
;B[ms]BL[30]OB[1]C[dreamz [9d\]: t16 t18*
josuke: o
josuke: ya you right
dreamz [9d\]: that's less points
josuke: i thought
josuke: he had to fill
Sorry [8d\]: j18 now?
]
;W[dn]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[go]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[ik]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[kf]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[jf]WL[30]OW[1]C[josuke: white losing by a lot
]
;B[kg]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[ib]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[ia]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[ja]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[le]BL[30]OB[1]C[sedgwick [?\]: really, I don't count that;)
]
;W[kd]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[ha]BL[30]OB[1]C[RobertT [-\]: like 7
josuke: anything more than 5 is a lot
josuke:
RobertT [-\]: anything more than 2 is a lot
]
;W[bn]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[cn]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[cm]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[an]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[am]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[bm]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[js]WL[30]OW[1]C[josuke: either way was a fun game to watcfh
]
;B[ls]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[bn]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[cc]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[cb]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[bm]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[sn]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[sm]BL[30]OB[1]
;W[bn]WL[30]OW[1]
;B[dc]BL[30]OB[1]C[josuke: nice endgame
Harmonic [7d\]: oof
josuke: gg
SuperAwe [3k\]: gg
BoneSaw [3d\]: aouch, was that on purpose?
AGATD [-\]: Congratulations to Mingjiu Jiang, who will play Andy Liu tomorrow night to determine the second representative to the Tiangfu Cup.
josuke: same time?
xedover [?\]: great game
ticktock [-\]: Congrats Mingjiu
Pancaku: gg. b= monster
josuke: gg ill see you folks tomorrow
purp [4k\]: i feel like i'v ebeen watching for a solid day. what time is game tomorrow
Harmonic [7d\]: I won a lot f $$
Pancaku: thanks to all high dans for comments!
ticktock [-\]: The
])
(;B[ip]BL[1155.283]C[dreamz [9d\]: and again
Petrosian [3k\]: heh
]))
(;B[rb]BL[1165.926]))
(;W[fc]WL[1186.347]
;B[qk]BL[1177.108]))
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Re: Tiangfu Cup, North American Prelim, and the KGS Broadcas
Post by John Fairbairn »
It's Tianfu, not Tiangfu. Tianfu Group is a major Chinese group spanning many sectors.
The Korean qualifier has also already begun.
The Korean qualifier has also already begun.
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Re: Tiangfu Cup, North American Prelim, and the KGS Broadcas
Ah, so it looks like the games were actually played using personal accounts on KGS, not played live and then broadcast. Thanks for the information and for the spelling correction.
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Re: Tiangfu Cup, North American Prelim, and the KGS Broadcas
game records and crosstab results are on the AGA website: http://www.usgo.org/tournaments/crosstab/band-matrix/183
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