is in the perfect position to make the ladder at 
work! So I get to capture four stones instead of just playing at 
!Post some other examples of interesting ladders from your games.
EDIT: Removed "neat" so I don't sound like a little girl.
Post your ladders!
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Post your ladders!
In a handicap game I played today, the following position appeared on the board:
Notice how is in the perfect position to make the ladder at work! So I get to capture four stones instead of just playing at !
Post some other examples of interesting ladders from your games.
EDIT: Removed "neat" so I don't sound like a little girl.
is in the perfect position to make the ladder at work! So I get to capture four stones instead of just playing at !Post some other examples of interesting ladders from your games.
EDIT: Removed "neat" so I don't sound like a little girl.
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Re: Post your ladders!
This is the best one I can remember actually occurring in a game of mine.
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We don't know who we are; we don't know where we are.
Each of us woke up one moment and here we were in the darkness.
We're nameless things with no memory; no knowledge of what went before,
No understanding of what is now, no knowledge of what will be.
Each of us woke up one moment and here we were in the darkness.
We're nameless things with no memory; no knowledge of what went before,
No understanding of what is now, no knowledge of what will be.
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Re: Post your ladders!
Dusk Eagle - wow, a 1k didn't bother to read that ladder? It's not as if it was a blitz game, and even if he misread at first and thought it was in his favour, did he not stop and read it again after you'd played it out a few stones? (I know I do this when my opponent starts to play out a ladder that I thought was in my favour - and on at least one occasion discovered, in time to avoid disaster, that I had indeed misread the first time.) 
One dreads to think what Kageyama would have said...
One dreads to think what Kageyama would have said...
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Re: Post your ladders!
robinz- misreading ladders is not uncommon (and sometimes when people notice they misread they keep going anyway..). usually I trace my finger over the board to make sure i'm doing it right, even (especially) in tournament games.
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Re: Post your ladders!
Imagine the internal dialog from his opponent. "Wow, I can't believe that this 1k moron didn't bother to read out the ladd... oh."robinz wrote:Dusk Eagle - wow, a 1k didn't bother to read that ladder?
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Re: Post your ladders!
Yeah, it's a pretty dumb mistake. Especially considering how 
is unnecessary. But I guess once he started, he may have been thinking, "if I'm wrong, I've lost anyway, so there's no point in stopping to read it out again."
is unnecessary. But I guess once he started, he may have been thinking, "if I'm wrong, I've lost anyway, so there's no point in stopping to read it out again."We don't know who we are; we don't know where we are.
Each of us woke up one moment and here we were in the darkness.
We're nameless things with no memory; no knowledge of what went before,
No understanding of what is now, no knowledge of what will be.
Each of us woke up one moment and here we were in the darkness.
We're nameless things with no memory; no knowledge of what went before,
No understanding of what is now, no knowledge of what will be.
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Re: Post your ladders!
I'm sure you guys are already familiar with the famous 2003 Lee Sedol game where he played out a ladder he couldn't win.robinz wrote:Dusk Eagle - wow, a 1k didn't bother to read that ladder?
http://senseis.xmp.net/?LeeSedolHongChangSikLadderGame
But the failed ladder forced a capture on the other side of the board to allow him to win the game overall.
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Re: Post your ladders!
I get nervous playing out a ladder that I think is in my favor. After every move I always stop and read it out again.Dusk Eagle wrote:Yeah, it's a pretty dumb mistake. Especially considering how
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Re: Post your ladders!
Confidence in your reading 
! If you can't read, you have nothing! Live and die by it!
! If you can't read, you have nothing! Live and die by it!We don't know who we are; we don't know where we are.
Each of us woke up one moment and here we were in the darkness.
We're nameless things with no memory; no knowledge of what went before,
No understanding of what is now, no knowledge of what will be.
Each of us woke up one moment and here we were in the darkness.
We're nameless things with no memory; no knowledge of what went before,
No understanding of what is now, no knowledge of what will be.
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Re: Post your ladders!
My best ladder recently never actually showed up on the board *as a ladder*, but it let me gain at least 15 points in a tournament game. (I was black with 4 stones... something bad happened in the lower left early on, but what happens now starts to make up for it.)
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Re: Post your ladders!
You have posted it.Fedya wrote:I would have posted this, which is much more frightening.Shaddy wrote:
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Seriously?! And you're KGS 3 dan? I have never seen anybody do this in tournaments, not even double-digit kyu players! If my opponent would try that, it would really annoy me, and I'd probably tell him to stop (calling the referee might not even be unreasonable, because you're obstructing your opponent's thought process pretty badly). Now I don't know you personally, but I'd strongly advise you to stop this if you ever want your dan grade to be taken seriouslyShaddy wrote:robinz- misreading ladders is not uncommon (and sometimes when people notice they misread they keep going anyway..). usually I trace my finger over the board to make sure i'm doing it right, even (especially) in tournament games.
.By the way, I think anyone who is not sure whether they've read out a ladder correctly should just re-read and re-read until they are sure (even kyu players). They give you plenty of time in tournaments, and if you don't learn to read you will not get stronger. Finger tracing is for dweebs
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When in doubt, play the most aggressive move
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