[go]$$Bc $$- - - - - - - - - - - - $$| . . O . . . X . . . . $$| O 1 . . O . X . . . . $$| . . O . . . X . . . . $$| . . . . . . X . . . . $$| X X X X X X X . . . . $$| . . . . . . . . . . .[/go]
I don't see a way for white to live after
$$Bc $$- - - - - - - - - - - - $$| . 2 O . . . X . . . . $$| O 1 . . O . X . . . . $$| 5 3 O . . . X . . . . $$| a 4 b . . . X . . . . $$| X X X X X X X . . . . $$| . . . . . . . . . . .
[go]$$Bc $$- - - - - - - - - - - - $$| . 2 O . . . X . . . . $$| O 1 . . O . X . . . . $$| 5 3 O . . . X . . . . $$| a 4 b . . . X . . . . $$| X X X X X X X . . . . $$| . . . . . . . . . . .[/go]
If white starts like this, Black can connect out.
$$Bc $$- - - - - - - - - - - - $$| . 3 O 6 5 8 X . . . . $$| O 1 4 . O . X . . . . $$| . 2 O 9 7 . X . . . . $$| . . . . . . X . . . . $$| X X X X X X X . . . . $$| . . . . . . . . . . .
[go]$$Bc $$---------------------- $$|. . O . 1 . X . . . . $$|O . . . O . X . . . . $$|. . O . 2 . X . . . . $$|. . 3 . . . X . . . . $$|X X X X X X X . . . . $$|. . . . . . . . . . .[/go]
Re: Difficult tsume go.
Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 8:09 am
by Alguien
$$Bc $$---------------------- $$|. . O . X . X . . . . $$|O . . . O . X . . . . $$|. 4 O . O . X . . . . $$|. . X . . . X . . . . $$|X X X X X X X . . . . $$|. . . . . . . . . . .
[go]$$Bc $$---------------------- $$|. . O . X . X . . . . $$|O . . . O . X . . . . $$|. 4 O . O . X . . . . $$|. . X . . . X . . . . $$|X X X X X X X . . . . $$|. . . . . . . . . . .[/go]
I don't get it. Seems alive to me. I'm much too weak for this problem, though.
Re: Difficult tsume go.
Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 8:19 am
by Alguien
I only see ko everywhere.
$$Bc $$- - - - - - - - - - - - $$| . 1 . 3 . . X . . . . $$| O 2 5 4 O . X . . . . $$| . . O . . . X . . . . $$| . . . . . . X . . . . $$| X X X X X X X . . . . $$| . . . . . . . . . . .
[go]$$Bc $$- - - - - - - - - - - - $$| . 1 . 3 . . X . . . . $$| O 2 5 4 O . X . . . . $$| . . O . . . X . . . . $$| . . . . . . X . . . . $$| X X X X X X X . . . . $$| . . . . . . . . . . .[/go]
Re: Difficult tsume go.
Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 8:20 am
by Magicwand
Alguien wrote:
$$Bc $$---------------------- $$|. . O . X . X . . . . $$|O . . . O . X . . . . $$|. 4 O . O . X . . . . $$|. . X . . . X . . . . $$|X X X X X X X . . . . $$|. . . . . . . . . . .
[go]$$Bc $$---------------------- $$|. . O . X . X . . . . $$|O . . . O . X . . . . $$|. 4 O . O . X . . . . $$|. . X . . . X . . . . $$|X X X X X X X . . . . $$|. . . . . . . . . . .[/go]
I don't get it. Seems alive to me. I'm much too weak for this problem, though.
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$$Bc $$---------------------- $$|. 5 O . X . X . . . . $$|O . . . O . X . . . . $$|. 4 O . O . X . . . . $$|. . X . . . X . . . . $$|X X X X X X X . . . . $$|. . . . . . . . . . .
[go]$$Bc $$---------------------- $$|. 5 O . X . X . . . . $$|O . . . O . X . . . . $$|. 4 O . O . X . . . . $$|. . X . . . X . . . . $$|X X X X X X X . . . . $$|. . . . . . . . . . .[/go]
Re: Difficult tsume go.
Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 8:20 am
by jts
$$Bc $$---------------------- $$|. 5 O . X . X . . . . $$|O 6 . 7 O . X . . . . $$|. 4 O . O . X . . . . $$|. . X . . . X . . . . $$|X X X X X X X . . . . $$|. . . . . . . . . . .
[go]$$Bc $$---------------------- $$|. 5 O . X . X . . . . $$|O 6 . 7 O . X . . . . $$|. 4 O . O . X . . . . $$|. . X . . . X . . . . $$|X X X X X X X . . . . $$|. . . . . . . . . . .[/go]
3 is the ridiculous looking tesuji that's needed. W has no reply.
Re: Difficult tsume go.
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 8:53 am
by SoDesuNe
Let us honour the book "Juseki Burou - Go Seigen Tsumego-shuu by Go Seigen", published by Seibundou Shinkousha, 1995 (ISBN 4-416-79510-6 C0076) for this problem and (in my case) GoGoD, where I took all the details ^^
It's a class A problem and also has a name: "THE SOUTHERN CROSS STAR - Breaking into a solid encampment".
Quite similiar to his Tesuji dictionaries Go Seigen's Tsumego-book has three categories of problems A, B and C. A are of course the hardest.
Re: Difficult tsume go.
Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 4:57 pm
by drmwc
That's interesting - I actually learned this problem from Shutai Zhang, who was British Go Champion for a number of years. He studied to be professional when he was young, and this was one of the problems he encountered in his training. (I think it was also in the British Go Journal in the early 1990s.)