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Offline Pippen
 Post subject: Crazystone Analysis
Post #1 Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 9:06 am 
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Can somebody let the attached game run through Crazystone 2013 and put in the analysis chart here or on a weblink? I wanna see what CS thinks of several moves.


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Offline Fedya
 Post subject: Re: Crazystone Analysis
Post #2 Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 6:40 pm 
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I'm too weak to analyze your game competently, but:

Why don't you want to know what the other strong players here think of several moves?
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 Post subject: Re: Crazystone Analysis
Post #3 Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2014 12:13 am 
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Here you are (CrasyStone 2012).

As you can already see from the Win-Rate-chart of ManyFaces, White really never got into the game.


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Offline Pippen
 Post subject: Re: Crazystone Analysis
Post #4 Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2014 2:12 pm 
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Thx, cassandra. One move by me must have been a pretty good blunder^^.
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 Post subject: Re: Crazystone Analysis
Post #5 Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2014 1:57 pm 
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I've just run your sgf file through CS13. Total computer analysis time 1hr, run on my laptop.
Most of the columns are obvious, but the delta value is the importance of the difference between the move played and CS13's move.

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2nd post to include the rest of the analysis

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Offline CnP
 Post subject: Re: Crazystone Analysis
Post #6 Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2014 1:59 pm 
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hope this helps

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Offline Pippen
 Post subject: Re: Crazystone Analysis
Post #7 Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2014 4:22 pm 
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Thx CnP, that's awesome. What do "situation" and "dispersion" refer to?
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Offline daal
 Post subject: Re: Crazystone Analysis
Post #8 Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2014 11:21 pm 
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After black makes the framework with Q10 (move 21), this computer (as would any other) starts to drool.

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Offline CnP
 Post subject: Re: Crazystone Analysis
Post #9 Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 12:27 pm 
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Hi Pippen,

from CrazyStone's help pages, these are the explanations provided:

Move: The point where the stone was placed.

Time: The time to take the move.

Playout: The amount of playout searched by Crazy Stone. The bigger this value is, the deeper the analysis will be.

P(B wins): The winrate from the black's point of view of the current situation

Situation: The situation of the board calculated in points.
(This result of the situation calculating will not be the same as expected territory counting.)
Dispersion: The dispersion indicates the possibility of the situation to change when played on from this move. It is calculated from the score histogram
If this number is bigger, the possibility will be higher, which means that there is still a chance to change the score.
CS Best: The best move selected by Crazy Stone.

Delta: The winrate difference between CS best move and the move actually played. The moves with a big values for Delta means that Crazy Stone thinks that the move actually played was not a good one.

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