138. Pancake 4d vs Loons 1d

Loons · **#81**

If white decides to give up sente, eg. in top left (which I am not really expecting), this is what I am thinking about at the moment.

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...Immediately take gote again myself! Brilliant, I know. Really, I was wondering what on earth I could play on bottom, and this is the idea I'm working on. The marked white stone is slightly weaker 'than normal' because I never peeped at 'x' and thus a fight on the bottom is more interesting for me. I didn't want to play a move close to my marked solid stones. I can treat 'a' and 'b' as miai to strengthen my leftern group.

I suppose I should pick up 'l' myself if it's still around after pancake's sente.

Still working on what becomes possible top left when white inevitably does not fix E18.

Vague suspicion the 3-3 is just still invadable in a bad-for-me-ish way.

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pancake · **#82**

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gaius · **#83**

Hidden until move 45:

Hmmm, I wonder whether this would've been better. I'd say it's pretty much sente due to the aji at 'a', which feels good to me.

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This way white retains sente, no?

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Magicwand · **#84**

for obs only:

Solomon · **#85**

ez4u · **#86**

Araban wrote:

Loons · **#87**

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Aphelion · **#88**

pancake · **#89**

Damn, this move actually has a followup if I tenuki.

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This seems to good for him, so I should definitely respond.

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This would be most likely to happen of I extend up. It's not too bad but the marked white stone looks in a crappy place. He will possibly exchange a for b for the aji at c.

So maybe I should extend down?

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This looks a lot better, eventhough it's bad for influence. I can still jump at a or play b. (Maybe he will play 2 low). These are the only possibilities I can think of. If he plays this without making the side extension it's really weird, so no further analysis needed here.

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Loons · **#90**

Sorry about the long wait.

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pancake · **#91**

Hmmm, nice move. But I still think he should continue on the bottom after the exchange. So my first thought would be to play a. I think reducing around b is slow and small. c is also still big.

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Let's examine a.. If black responds at a instead of 2, it's a good exchange and I will play on the left. So the only option would be like this. It looks really hard, but let's look at a few possibilities.

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This is more or less a one way street, and it doesn't look good for me. I should play at a to connect, so he'll make his group facing the center safe.

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This looks promising. If 2 at a, 3 b 5. If he cuts at c, I can squeeze on the outside, make him capture my 2 stones and his 2 marked stones will be as good as dead.

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But he can play like this instead, which is very bad for me

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So this is the only option for me, I think.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm1 black: 1 white: 0 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ | . . . O . X . O . . . . . X . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . 7 . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 3 2 8 9 . . . . | $$ | . X . O . O . . . X . 1 X O . , X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . O X . . 4 O X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . 6 5 . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

Black 8 is overplay, since after a, he doesn't have the ladder at b. (4 at the marked stone)

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm1 black: 1 white: 0 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ | . . . O . X . O . . . . . X . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . b O 3 O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X X 1 . . . . | $$ | . X . O . O . . . X a O X Q 2 , X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . O X 8 5 X O X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . 7 6 X O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . 9 . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

So I guess I can play the keima I want to play!

Ah, by the way, if he tenukis:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm1 black: 1 white: 0 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ | . . . O . X . O . . . . . X . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . 5 . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . O . O . . . X . . . 1 . , X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . O X . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . 3 4 . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

EEEExcelent for me.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm1 black: 1 white: 0 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ | . . . O . X . O . . . . . X . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . O . O . . . X . . . W . , X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . O X . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

No problem, I suppose you had a valid reason

Loons · **#92**

Thanks. Hopefully I'll come up with a move by tomorrow.

Loons · **#93**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm43 black: 1 white: 0 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ | . . . O . X . O . . . . . X . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . O . O . . . X . . . W . , X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . O X . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . 1 . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

pancake · **#94**

Sorry I'm being slow now, didn't have much time yet. And the situation requires some reading!

pancake · **#95**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm43 black: 1 white: 0 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ | . . . O . X . O . . . . . X . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . W . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . O . O . . . X . . . O . , X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . O X . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

Loons · **#96**

Reading, reading... :study:

Well, that stone is on a clearly nice spot, and I would now like to get A2 for my group's happiness and wellbeing. Eventually.

I have played a lot of moves around the marked white group, and need to look for the best followup. Maybe I can start at X? Where am I going with that, though?

On the left, I quite want to keep developing my moyo by playing some or all of the lettered sequence.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm45 black: 1 white: 0 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ | . . . O . X . O . . . . . X . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . b a . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . f d e . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O c . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . g . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . P . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . x . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . P . P . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . O . O . . . X . . . P . , X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . O X . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

Edit:
This is the result I need.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm45 black: 1 white: 0 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ | . . . O . X . O . . . . . X . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . O Y . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . O O Y . . . . . . . . . B . . . . | $$ | . . O Y . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . | $$ | . . . Y . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . O . O . . . # . . . O . , X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . O # . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ {AR P8 N10}[/go]

I need to build influence in the direction of the arrow in sente in a way that reinforces the circled stones and avoids damaging the squared stones, then take gote playing the triangled stones.

Loons · **#97**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm45 black: 1 white: 0 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ | . . . O . X . O . . . . . X . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . W . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . O . O . . . X . . . O . , X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . O X . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

pancake · **#98**

Sorry for being really slow. I had a busy week. This weekend was the preliminary tournament for the Dutch championships. I can proudly say I qualified

. Anyway, that's why I didn't have anytime for this game.. I will play a move tomorrow!

pancake · **#99**

Posts will be more regular now! (once everyday)

I obviously cannot ignore this move, so I'll just talk about what will happen if I respond here.
I think he's aiming at something like this if I answer on the side:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 black: 1 white: 0 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ | . . . O . X . O . . . . . X . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 2 . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . a O 4 O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 3 . . . . | $$ | . X . O . O . . . X . . . O . , X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . O X . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O b . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

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I think it's not too big, but the bend at a feels nice for him afterwards, followed up by b.

If I just answer the peep, probably this will be the followup, he'll probably play it immediately. I will play something like a, to reinforce the shape later.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 black: 1 white: 0 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ | . . . O . X . O . . . . . X . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . Y . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . a . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . 3 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 1 5 . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O 2 O 7 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . O . O . . . X . . . O . , X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . O X . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

This is annoying, because he can connect to the marked stone now. Before there was some cutting aji. So let's go back to the first diagram and look at my followup from there.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 black: 1 white: 0 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ | . . . O . X . O . . . . . X . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . 3 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . 2 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . X 5 . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . 6 4 . . . . . . . . e d 1 X . . . . | $$ | . X . O . O . . . X b . . O . , X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . O X . 8 c . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O a . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

I first want to exchange things in the lower left. There are a lot of details on this sequence, black might give more resistance, but it will end bad for him. Then I want to strike at what seems to be the vital spot with 8. If he plays a, I'll play b. If he plays b, I will play c, a and d will be miai. At least that was my first thought. If he plays a, then he can clamp my move d at e. It's not that easy to read out, but I think I won't get a good result.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 black: 1 white: 0 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ | . . . O . X . O . . . . . X . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . d c . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X e . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . g f X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . 3 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . 2 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . X O . . | $$ | . . X 5 . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . 6 4 . . . . . . . . a . 1 X . . . . | $$ | . X . O . O . . . X . . . O . , X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . O X . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . b . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

After counting, I think I can win if I just play calmly, so my 8 should be here to reinforce my group and threaten something on his lower side. If he reinforces at let's say a, then b makes it very small. with 8 I also aim at something like c-d-e-f-g. So this should be good for me.

Ofcourse there's also the possibility of him just tenuki'ing after I respond at the side. I think cutting will not be good for him:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 black: 1 white: 0 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ | . . . O . X . O . . . . . X . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . c O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . b . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . a 1 2 . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O 3 O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 5 . . | $$ | . X . O . O . . . X . . . O . 6 X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . O X . . . . . . X e . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

It looks like my 2 groups can fight separately. pushing at a might be sente, but makes me stronger. I will answer b at c. Because there is so much aji at e, I think it won't be hard for me to live.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm45 black: 1 white: 0 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ | . . . O . X . O . . . . . X . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X W . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . O . O . . . X . . . O . , X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . O X . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

Loons · **#100**

Excellent, excellent. I can't promise I'll necessarily post a move every single day myself, though.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm47 black: 1 white: 0 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ | . . . O . X . O . . . . . X . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X W . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . O . O . . . X . . . O . , X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . O X . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

138. Pancake 4d vs Loons 1d

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