[go]$$Bcm61 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . O . . O . X . O . X . . X . . | $$ | O . O X . . . . X , . . O O X , . . . | $$ | . O X . . . 2 O . X . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Damn, seems like he sees my attack coming... I think I don't have to block here directly. I get a stronger position into the center but I don't think I have big weaknesses:
[go]$$Bcm61 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . O . . O . X . O . X . . X . . | $$ | O . O X . . . . X , . . O O X , . . . | $$ | . O X . . . O O . X . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . 3 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I had anticipated a solid connect instead, this makes the area less interesting for me, at the cost of slightly worse edge endgame. Hard to say if it's better, but I do have to be more careful about my one-point jumps group. Nevertheless, I think it's hard to really attack (especially now I have more edge room), so I'll take this big yose instead.
[go]$$Bcm61 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . O . . O . X . O . X . . X . . | $$ | O . O X . . . . X , . . O O X , . . . | $$ | . O X . . . O O . X . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . a . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . c . . . O . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . d . . . . . . b . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I have to admit, that 'a' was a good spot for me which I missed, which I missed because I concentrated on the bottom. I don't know whether 'a' would be sente (didn't thought about it that much) but it would have been nice and at least I should have thought about it. However, now it seems to small to play at 'b'. It would make his move even better because he gets sente. Instead I'll play at 'c', which should make much more points than 'b'. If he play at 'b' now, I'll play at 'd'. If he reduces my answer will depend on the move he uses.
[go]$$Bcm61 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . O . . O . X . O . X . . X . . | $$ | O . O X . . . . X , . . O O X , . . . | $$ | . O X . . . O O . X . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . 5 . . . . O . . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . O . . . O . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I want to strengthen the group to avoid being attacked (white has some splitting attack potential on that weak group and the left side group). I also want to strengthen the group in order for a deeper reduction of white's N8 area. A side benefit is that I may also get some points if white tries to expand the N8 area.
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Yeah, I don't see how Celebrir could consider that trade and then reject if as good for black, it looks great for white to me. Black only gets 10 points in the middle, and white gets at least than from killing k17. But on top of that white gets very thick with loads of centre potential.
[go]$$Bcm61 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . O . . O . X . O . X . . X . . | $$ | O . O X . . . . X , . . O O X , . . . | $$ | . O X . . . O O . X . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . O . . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . O . . . O . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . 7 . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Trying to see if I can make anything above the third line on the left side. I considered playing the second-line kosumi first, but white probably won't respond.
[go]$$Bcm61 illluck vs. Celebrir - Counting $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | C C C C C C C . . . . . . . C C C C C | $$ | C C C . C C C . . . . . . . C C C C C | $$ | C O O . O . C O . X . O . X . . X C C | $$ | O C O X . . . . X , . . O O X , . C C | $$ | . O X . . . O O . X . . . . X . . C C | $$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . O X C C | $$ | . . ? ? ? . . . . X . . . . . O X C C | $$ | C C ? ? ? ? . X . . . . O C C O X C C | $$ | C C X ? ? ? . . . X . . . C C . . . C | $$ | C C C ? ? ? . . . , . O C C C O . X C | $$ | C C C ? ? . . . . O . . C C C ? . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . C C C C O ? ? ? . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . C C C C C ? ? ? . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O C C C C C O O . . | $$ | C C . . . . . . . X O O C C . . X . . | $$ | C C C O . . . X . , X . . O O O X C C | $$ | C C O . . X . C C C X . X X . X X C C | $$ | C C C O X . C C C C C C C C . C C C C | $$ | C C . . . . C C C C C C C C C C C C C | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Black: Bottom: 32 Left: 10 Upper right: 24 66 total +potential at the left middle (15)
White: Upper left: 16 Bottom left: 12 Right middle: 26 6,5 komi 1 prisoner 61,5 total +potential at the right (7)
If this is correct his lead is not that big as I thought, but the big problem is his potential at the left. Best would be if I can reduce it in sente and move at the right afterwards.
[go]$$Wcm1 illluck vs. Celebrir - Dia. 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . O . . O . X . O . X . . X . . | $$ | O . O X b . . . X , . . O O X , . . . | $$ | . O X 8 7 . O O . X . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . 9 . . . X . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . a X . . . . O . . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . . 4 . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , 6 2 3 . . , . O . . . O . X . | $$ | . . . . . 5 . 1 . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . c . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
is a calm move which aims at 'a'. defends but with the sequence up to This looks like a good reduction, but there is a weakness at 'b'. Maybe I can make some points at 'c' later.
[go]$$Wcm1 illluck vs. Celebrir - Dia. 4b $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . O 5 . O . X . O . X . . X . . | $$ | O . O X 4 . . . B , . . O O X , . . . | $$ | . O X . 2 3 W O . X . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . X X . O X 7 . . . . . O . . O X . . | $$ | . . . 6 O X O O X X . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . X O X X . . . . O . . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . 1 . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . O . . . O . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
If he should try to fight I think I can be confident. Note that the exchange of the two circled stones helps me here.
I want to decide between Dia. 1 and Dia. 3/4. I think they're more or less equal but Dia. 3/4 is more complicate. Since I'm behind I want a more complicate game so I'll choose this move.
[go]$$Bcm61 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . O . . O . X . O . X . . X . . | $$ | O . O X 9 . . . X , . . O O X , . . . | $$ | . O X . . . O O . X . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . O . . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . O . . . O . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
That is either the perfect reduction or too deep. I didn't read too carefully (6 am, and I need to do a case write-up before 9 XD), but suspect there's a keima cut potential after I exchange this for an extend. I don't think I have any better local moves other than this, so I'll just play it first. The biggest danger is perhaps white tenuki and play another move to try to attack my top centre group, but I think it's strong enough.
[go]$$Bcm61 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . O 0 . O . X . O . X . . X . . | $$ | O . O X X . . . X , . . O O X , . . . | $$ | . O X . . . O O . X . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . O . . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . O . . . O . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I don't think I have much options here. Instead of speculating about his next move now, I'll first post my move, hoping he answers soon and thinkimg about continuations later. Normally I wouldn't do that but like I wrote, I think I really have no other options here.
[go]$$Bcm71 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . O O . O . X . O . X . . X . . | $$ | O . O X X . . . X , . . O O X , . . . | $$ | . O X . . . O O . X . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . 1 . . . X . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . O . . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . O . . . O . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I also considered a kosumi, but in either case I think white will just run out the other way and I think this cut ends in a better shape. I guess white will run out, but I should keep sente and also will have some weaknesses around the resulting connection.
p.s. this is now 7 am - my powers of procrastination truly knows no bounds XD
[go]$$Bcm71 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . O O . O . X . O . X . . X . . | $$ | O . O X X . . . X , . . O O X , . . . | $$ | . O X . . . O O . X . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . O . . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . . . 2 . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . O . . . O . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Obvious reading mistake by me... I don't think the hane's work anymore, so I'll have to do something else. I'm aiming for the other direction now and think this can become quite dangerous for him.
[go]$$Wcm1 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . O O . O . X . O . X . . X . . | $$ | O . O X X . . . X , . . O O X , . . . | $$ | . O X . . . O O 7 X . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . X X . . . . . . 8 . . O . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . 2 X X O O X . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . 1 O X X O X . . O . . O X . . | $$ | . . X 6 4 X O O X X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , 5 3 . . 9 , . O . . . O . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Correct order of forcing moves might be different, this is only to show one idea. In all variations I see I'll either get out at the top or to the bottom. I hope I don't miss a variation again...
[go]$$Bcm71 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . O O . O . X . O . X . . X . . | $$ | O . O X X . . . X , . . O O X , . . . | $$ | . O X . . . O O . X . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . O . . O X . . | $$ | . . X . . . 3 O . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . O . . . O . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Mmmm, last time I thought there was something that makes this move (well, actually, I thought white would either G12 or kosumi, but G12 would probably transpose into this one) difficult. But now it seems like I actually can play this move without much danger. If I can play this, then white's last move probably should have been the kosumi.
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