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by Bill Spight » Sun Jun 24, 2012 8:08 am
A thread for shape problems.
Problem #1:
$$Bc Black to play
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$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O O . . W . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . X X . . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bc Black to play
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O O . . W . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . X X . . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
How does Black respond to
?
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by Uberdude » Sun Jun 24, 2012 8:29 am
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by lightvector » Sun Jun 24, 2012 9:43 am
Like Uberdude, my first feeling was O3 and then M2 for connecting black's groups. But if M2, and later white's center group gets strong enough, I wonder if is there any lingering aji from something like this?
$$Wc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O O . . O . 2 X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . X X . . X 4 X 1 5 . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . B . . 3 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O O . . O . 2 X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . X X . . X 4 X 1 5 . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . B . . 3 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O O . . O 5 2 X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . X X . . X 6 X 1 7 . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . B . 4 3 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . X . O . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O O . . O 5 2 X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . X X . . X 6 X 1 7 . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . B . 4 3 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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lightvector on Sun Jun 24, 2012 9:53 am, edited 1 time in total.
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by Bonobo » Sun Jun 24, 2012 9:48 am
I’m a mere 12-14k, but neverthelss …
and thus could well be that I earn an ashaming defeat, as so often :-! And no, I didn’t play it out.
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by Ellyster » Sun Jun 24, 2012 3:15 pm
I would say M4... and connect while attack, but I haven't think it harder
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by cyclops » Sun Jun 24, 2012 5:50 pm
q5 why?
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by EdLee » Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:20 am
Bonobo,
Bonobo wrote: I didn’t play it out.
If this shape is not immediately obvious to you,
then the first thing for you to study is to read what happens if W pushes at o3.
This is the start of the whole discussion. If later, you can find some nice counter-attack for B, great.
But first, what happens if B tenuki and W pushes at o3? Did you even think about this?
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by Bonobo » Mon Jun 25, 2012 6:36 am
Thanks, Ed, this again shows that I have a loooong way to go.
My reflexes/instincts/intuition is far from being well-trained, so I’ll keep on following my self-prescription of “play & read & tsumego”, and guess I should stay out of such threads (i.e. not post) unless I’ve at least played around a bit w/ the constellation in question.
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by Bill Spight » Mon Jun 25, 2012 8:45 am
The answer:
$$Bc Black to play
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . O . 4 . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O O . . W . 2 X 5 . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . X X . . X . X 3 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bc Black to play
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . O . 4 . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O O . . W . 2 X 5 . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . X X . . X . X 3 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
protects against the push and cut and connects to the Black stones on the left.
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