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Re: Embarassing Go moments?

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When I was 4 or 5 kyu, in a position like this one:

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[go]$$B Oops!
$$ --------------------------
$$ . O X X . O O O 1 X X O . .
$$ . O O X X X X X X X O . O .
$$ . . . O O . . . O X O . . .
$$ . , . O X X X X O O O . . ,
$$ . . O . O O O O . . . . . .
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . . . .[/go]



Also, when I was about 7 kyu, I ataried a stone on the second line, and then tried to remove it from the board. I had thought a long time over the move, and I knew that I had "captured" it. I just hadn't removed its last liberty. ;)
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Re: Embarassing Go moments?

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i had captured a stone at a club game, and i picked up my own stone instead. it took me a bit to realize what i did...

other than that i havent really had embarrassing moments. havent been playing long enough
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Re: Embarassing Go moments?

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Bill Spight wrote:When I was 4 or 5 kyu, in a position like this one:

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[go]$$B Oops!
$$ --------------------------
$$ . O X X . O O O 1 X X O . .
$$ . O O X X X X X X X O . O .
$$ . . . O O . . . O X O . . .
$$ . , . O X X X X O O O . . ,
$$ . . O . O O O O . . . . . .
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . . . .[/go]



Also, when I was about 7 kyu, I ataried a stone on the second line, and then tried to remove it from the board. I had thought a long time over the move, and I knew that I had "captured" it. I just hadn't removed its last liberty. ;)


Bill Spight was 7k at one time? ;-)
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Re: Embarassing Go moments?

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Kirby wrote:Bill Spight was 7k at one time? ;-)

Obviously 7ks then were much better than 7ks today ;)
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Re: Embarassing Go moments?

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I entered my first tournament as a 5 kyu. I was facing a 3 kyu I think, and was in a completely won position. There was part of the board that looked something like this.

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[go]$$W
$$ . . . . . . . . . .
$$ . . . . . X . X . .
$$ . . X . X X O . . .
$$ X X . . X O X X 1 .
$$ X O O O O O X O . .
$$ X O X X X X X O . .
$$ . X O O . O O . . .
$$ . X . . . . . . . .[/go]

That's not the exact position, but it was something like this. The dragons involved were actually much bigger. The important part is the net, the number of liberties and :w1: there. Of course, I was in a completely won position (lots of dead white stones, 40-50 points ahead at least), all I had to do was connect. :w1: was just played as sente endgame. The problem was, at that point in my go career I'd played maybe half a dozen serious games on a real board. I hadn't had anyone to play in meatspace until recently, so all my games were online. I wasn't used to the somewhat crooked stones that happen on a real board. I thought I was connected. I played tenuki, big endgame elsewhere on the board. My heart sank with white's next move.
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Re: Embarassing Go moments?

Post by Kirby »

I realized that I hadn't seriously replied to this thread, yet. Awhile back, I played a game against Diana Koszegi. I had a large handicap, so the game was going alright. It was getting toward the end of the game, and I had felt that I had already won, when she played the marked move.


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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ --------------------
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ . . . O X . X . . . |
$$ . . . O O X W X X . |
$$ . . . O . O O O . . |
$$ . . . O . O . X O . |
$$ . . . . O . . O . . |[/go]


At this point, I totally freaked out, and killed myself:

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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ --------------------
$$ . . . . . 9 . 8 . . |
$$ . . . O X 7 4 . . . |
$$ . . . O X . 3 2 6 . |
$$ . . . O X 1 X 5 . . |
$$ . . . O O X O X X . |
$$ . . . O . O O O . . |
$$ . . . O . O . X O . |
$$ . . . . O . . O . . |[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm10
$$ --------------------
$$ . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ . . . O X X O . 2 3 |
$$ . . . O X . X O O . |
$$ . . . O X X X X . 1 |
$$ . . . O O X O X X . |
$$ . . . O . O O O . . |
$$ . . . O . O . X O . |
$$ . . . . O . . O . . |[/go]
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Re: Embarassing Go moments?

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A few years back, playing a strong (4D, maybe?) at our local club. He and I had played a couple times on 6 stones -- I was always crushed. Anyway, in this one game (complete with a couple beers), I thought I had something going. A real attack on his stones! Holy crap, I can capture those! So I play my move, and start removing a small number of white stones, until he says "Hay, what are you doing?" and I realized the group I was removing still had a liberty.

I didn't mind doing that back in my DDK days but as an SDK? And to do that against a very strong player who was so kind to offer a friendly game... all I could do was to mumble something about "next round's on me!"

And, of course, without capturing that group, black lost miserably.
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Re: Embarassing Go moments?

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Stable wrote:My most embarrassing moment - reading Araban's post and having to sit here for 5 minutes until I figured out why it wasn't worth points... :oops:


I still don't get it. Mind explaining?
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it isn't worth points because black gets +5 points for the stones, but white gets +4 points because there a four fewer white stones in her territory, and +1 point because there is 1 more dead black stone, so the net change in score is +0
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Re: Embarassing Go moments?

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You should just count it.

It's easiest to see under area scoring: the stones you play in your own territory don't cost you points, and prisoners don't count. Nothing changes when Black captures and white plays at C19.

Under territory: Black gets five points for prisoners. White gets four points for spaces that are no longer occupied by his own stones. White also gets one point for the extra black prisoner. Nothing changes.
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Re: Embarassing Go moments?

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The following game I played last year, against another 4d. In itself, it is quite a terrible game by me. But the real embarrassment, for both of us, is at the end of the game record.

The last move in this game record is O15.

My opponent somehow thought that this moved kills my group. Not so, I can live by playing O16.

I, however thought that I had miai options of O16 and N18 to live. Not true either.

So, I tenuki and start playing endgame (not in the game record), because hey, I'm alive right? And my opponent also starts playing endgame, because hey, it's dead right?

We must've played endgame for over 50 moves, and all the while, the audience is utterly confused on why neither of us plays in the upper right any more. Why are we playing small endgame when there is a huge unsettled group like that?

Then finally, when we're down to moves smaller than 5 points, my opponent decides to play P15 "just to remove aji", and accidentally kills my group.

Not my brightest moment :oops:


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My bad play doesn't embarrass me; it makes me angry. :mad:
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Post by gasana »

I'm often reading but not really posting, but i think this thread make a good way to say hello...

I was black and spent almost ten minutes reading this to be really sure! It ended up i read all that time with reverted colors...
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http://swissgo.org/galleries/displayima ... 159&pos=68
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Re: Embarassing Go moments?

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gasana wrote:I'm often reading but not really posting, but i think this thread make a good way to say hello...

I was black and spent almost ten minutes reading this to be really sure! It ended up i read all that time with reverted colors...
:mrgreen:

http://swissgo.org/galleries/displayima ... 159&pos=68


Oh that disgusting joseki. It should be banned :evil:

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Re: Embarassing Go moments?

Post by Inkwolf »

Heh, Reminds me of a terrible game I played not too long ago one morning on KGS. It was still really early in the game, but my opponent was efficiently attacking, invading and killing every single formation I had begun to create on the board. Finally he started to ladder one of my moves. I thought he read it wrong, and did the ladder halfway across the board until I realized, he hadn't. He said, "Read much?" or something snarky like that. I could only apologize and resign. I don't play morning games since then, not without testing my alertness by playing Gnu Go first.
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