25. mic (9k) vs. POGO (10k)

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Re: mic vs. Pogo: Malkovich #25

Post by Numsgil »

Pogo: let's see some diagrams and such for your reading, yeah? Kind of defeats the purpose of a Malkovich game if we don't see what you're thinking.
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Re: mic vs. Pogo: Malkovich #25

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Numsgil wrote:Pogo: let's see some diagrams and such for your reading, yeah? Kind of defeats the purpose of a Malkovich game if we don't see what you're thinking.

Safe for POGO:
To be fair, he put the crosscut in his SGF comment to move 20, and extending from an atari is not super complicated.
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Re: mic vs. Pogo: Malkovich #25

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My sealed move

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Re: mic vs. Pogo: Malkovich #25

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Late reply, but a lot of possible action going on in the corner :)

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These are the variations I thought of:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . b X f . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . a X O O . |
$$ | . . O , O X . . . , . . . X d O X e . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . c . . . |
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I discarded e and f quite fast, because in all read variations they make black's corner clumpsy and achieve nothing for black. c looks as if it does not work, e.g. I think about something like, which is bad for black
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So, let's take a look at the remaining variations: a is sente for me, due to the thread of :b4:. In the end, we split the corner.
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Variant b is sente, too and I look a bit thicker in case of invasions around a.

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Then there is d, which gives sente but leaves a lot of ko threats:

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So in the end I play b to be sold and hope that my thinkings about sente are correct :) It's a pity that I had to give up a bit of the corner, but ignoring Q14 and my high approach of O16 has to be punished a bit.
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Re: mic vs. Pogo: Malkovich #25

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To mic:

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Out of interest, why didn't you consider "x"?
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Re: mic vs. Pogo: Malkovich #25

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To topazg:

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$$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . a X O O . |
$$ | . . O , O X . . . , . . . X d O X e . |
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Out of interest, why didn't you consider "x"?

Hmmm, to be honest, this was a blind spot. x looks really interesting :-|
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Re: mic vs. Pogo: Malkovich #25

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To mic:

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Hmmm, to be honest, this was a blind spot. x looks really interesting :-|


Fair enough :)

To help spot it - it's the key shape point for the marked White stones (tiger's mouth is often a key shape to prevent), and it's extending a crosscut stone. Both of these are fundamental enough to give sensible points to read from, and both are easy to remember :)
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Re: mic vs. Pogo: Malkovich #25

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topazg wrote:To mic:

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Hmmm, to be honest, this was a blind spot. x looks really interesting :-|


Fair enough :)

To help spot it - it's the key shape point for the marked White stones (tiger's mouth is often a key shape to prevent), and it's extending a crosscut stone. Both of these are fundamental enough to give sensible points to read from, and both are easy to remember :)

It is this type of stuff that makes so much sense once someone says it, why didn't I think of it before?! Eventually I'll get better about looking for, and actually seeing, stuff like this while I play. Just one more reason I like following along with these Malkovich games at all levels.

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Re: mic vs. Pogo: Malkovich #25

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First off i did not like this
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and this is what i am expecting now

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or i could simply
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Re: mic vs. Pogo: Malkovich #25

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I thought about moves at a, b, c and f. Altough c could become sente in a later stage it seems a bit small since so many bigger areas on the board are open. b would have the purpose to get some territory but leaves the e17 group a bit unsupported. With a I can build some influence but it invites white to play at M16 where my groups are a bit weak. So in the end I decided to play f to get influence and loosely connect to O16 (altough I'm still not sure if b wouldn't be better/more secure). If white plays around d I still have the backup option of e to live in the corner.
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Re: mic vs. Pogo: Malkovich #25

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So first i though about a. taking a corner? not to bad but there is bigger.
b? the reduction is nice. but if he simply plays right above it. well its over.
c im going for the right in a whole. but dont want to give him the bottom to. he will probably 3x3.
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d to passive.
e isnt to bad.begins a moyo. stops him for getting out around there. but. the tengen can stop that fast enough as his bottom and top are not surrounded
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Re: mic vs. Pogo: Malkovich #25

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mic wrote:
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I would take this opportunity to make this forcing move. White almost certainly will respond like this, so black keeps sente. (If white doesn't respond, black can take the two white stones in gote and take the entire corner. I'm not sure of the exact value, but corner moves like this are always deceptively large. Maybe something like 6 points (it's hard because white has a sente end game move here that can take most of the points gained from this away).

It's gote for white to take that point instead of black, so it probably doesn't have to be done right this very minute, but I think it should be a priority move.
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Re: mic vs. Pogo: Malkovich #25

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For Numsgil:

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At this stage of the game, I prefer this :b1:. a is merely big endgame.
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Re: 25. mic (9k) vs. POGO (10k)

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Hi Pogo,

Just to say I have not forgot this game. I am looking at this position casually for a few days now but have no idea where to play :) Will at the latest answer on tuesday!

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Re: 25. mic (9k) vs. POGO (10k)

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Hi, sorry for the delay. I'm now going to have more time, so hopefully we'll get into a flow.

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I'm looking at the following options: Ok, funny thing, this became the only option, just the continuations vary:
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...and so on gives white way too much influence.

But with
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Black builds up influence and encloses the D4 stone in (a bit), which purpose what influence.
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