magicwand versus drmwc

Magicwand · **#221**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm141 B has captured 9; W has captured 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O O O . . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O O O X O . , O X . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X O X O O O X X . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O O . . . O X X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . . . X . O O . . . X . X . 6 . . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . X , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . 1 O . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . 2 . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O 5 | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . 3 . 4 . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

drmwc · **#222**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm141 B has captured 9; W has captured 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O O O . . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O O O X O . , O X . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X O X O O O X X . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X O O X . . . . . 7 . | $$ | . O O O . . . O X X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . . . X . O O . . . X . X . 6 . . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . X , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . 1 O . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . 2 . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O 5 | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . 3 . 4 . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Descending at first glance appears to be better yose.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O O O . . X . . . X . 0 . | $$ | . . . O O O X O . , O X . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X O X O O O X X . . . 6 X 4 . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X O O X . . . . 7 5 . | $$ | . O O O . . . O X X X . . . . 8 X 1 . | $$ | . X . . . X . O O . . . X . X 9 O 2 . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . X , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . X O . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . O . O X X . X . . O . X X . . 3 . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O X | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . X . O . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

However, W' blosk at 2 appears to be sente. Suppose I ignore it, then W can start operations in the corner as shown. Next, B wants to cut off W 8 but this is an overplay:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm11 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . . . . 7 6 8 . | $$ | . . . O . X O O O . . X . . . X 1 O . | $$ | . . . O O O X O . , O X . . . X O 2 . | $$ | . . . . X O X O O O X X . . . O X O 4 | $$ | . . . . . X X O X O O X . . . 3 X X . | $$ | . O O O . . . O X X X . . . 5 O X X . | $$ | . X . . . X . O O . . . X . X X O O . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . X , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . X O . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . O . O X X . X . . O . X X . . X . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O X | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . X . O . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

B needs 13 to avoid collapse. W 14 threatens to link underneath. So W lives up to 18.

I can avoid this in a number of ways:

Play differently at the first move

Don't play tenuki at 3 an tlet W kosumi at q8

don't cut W at move 9

I've gone for the first option, since it's the cleanest. Next:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O O O . . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O O O X O . , O X . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X O X O O O X X . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X O O X . . . . . 1 . | $$ | . O O O . . . O X X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . . . X . O O . . . X . X . O 3 7 | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . 4 5 | $$ | . . X , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . 6 | $$ | . X O . X . . X . X X O X O . O . 8 . | $$ | . . O . O X X . X . . O . X X . 2 . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O X | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . | $$ | . 9 X . X . . . X . O . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

W 2 is big, but I can play some sente yose and get the last big point at 9 with my lead intact.The move 1 as played effectively makes miai of 2 and 3 in diagram above.

Magicwand · **#223**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm141 B has captured 9; W has captured 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O O O . . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O O O X O . , O X . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X O X O O O X X . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X O O X . . . . . 7 . | $$ | . O O O . . . O X X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . . . X . O O . . . X . X . 6 8 . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . X , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . 1 O . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . 2 . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O 5 | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . 3 . 4 . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

drmwc · **#224**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm141 B has captured 9; W has captured 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O O O . . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O O O X O . , O X . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X O X O O O X X . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X O O X . . . . . 7 . | $$ | . O O O . . . O X X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . . . X . O O . . . X . X 9 6 8 . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . X , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . 1 O . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . 2 . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O 5 | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . 3 . 4 . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

another safety first move.

Black 1 below looks more appealing:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O O O . . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O O O X O . , O X . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X O X O O O X X . . . 5 X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X O O X . . . 4 . X . | $$ | . O O O . . . O X X X 8 . 6 . 2 X . . | $$ | . X . . . X . O O . . . X 7 X 3 O O . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . X , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . x O . X . . X . X X O X O . O . 1 . | $$ | . . O . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O X | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . X . O . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

White will cut at 2. If I cut the stone off, 4 threaens some ataris and so 5 is a natural defence. however, 6 is now very strong since it threatens the cut at 8.

I can avoid this line, for example:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O O O . . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O O O X O . , O X . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X O X O O O X X . . . 7 X a . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X O O X . . 5 4 6 X . | $$ | . O O O . . . O X X X . . . 9 2 X 8 . | $$ | . X . . . X . O O . . . X . X 3 O O . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . X , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . X O . X . . X . X X O X O . O . 1 . | $$ | . . O . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O X | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . X . O . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

5 is a nice move which protects the cut. Then I can squeeze white. However, W's incursion is quite big and after W connects, I will porbably need to connect at a. Hence I prefer to avoid the problems at the outset.

Another plan is to go for a trade:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O O O . . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O O O X O . , O X . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X O X O O O X X . . . 5 X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X O O X . . . 4 . X . | $$ | . O O O . . . O X X X 8 9 6 . 2 X . . | $$ | . X . . . X . O O . . 0 X . X 3 O O . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . 7 O b . . | $$ | . . X , X X . . X O O . O O . a . . . | $$ | . x O . X . . X . X X O X O . O . 1 . | $$ | . . O . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O X | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . X . O . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

B atari at a or b will follow this. It seems playable for B, but it has some risks and I may have misread.

The final idea is not to cut at 3 initially:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O O O . . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O O O X O . , O X . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X O X O O O X X . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X O O X . . 3 . . X . | $$ | . O O O . . . O X X X . . 4 . 2 X . . | $$ | . X . . . X . O O . . . X . X . O O . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . X , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . x O . X . . X . X X O X O . O . 1 . | $$ | . . O . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O X | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . X . O . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This may be similar to the squeeze line above, alhtough 4 may activate the cut so it may not work for B.

Magicwand · **#225**

drmwc · **#226**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm149 B has captured 9; W has captured 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O O O . . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O O O X O . , O X . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X O X O O O X X . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X O O X . . . . . X . | $$ | . O O O . . . O X X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . X . . . X . O O . . . X . X 1 O O . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . X , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . X O . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . O . O X X . X . . O . X X . 2 . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O X | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . | $$ | . 3 X . X . . . X . O . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Magicwand · **#227**

i think i will resign.
thank you for the game.
for obs.. sorry about bad game.
i think i was too timid on the beginning and never had chance.

drmwc: watching your game as ob gave me feeling that i can easily win against you. i guess watching and playing is two different thing. ^^

drmwc · **#228**

Thank you for the game.

Joaz Banbeck · **#229**

Thanks to both of you for doing it. It has been very enjoyable to watch. :salute:

@MW: If you could play move 54 over again, would you still play it at F16?

Magicwand · **#230**

Joaz Banbeck wrote:

Thanks to both of you for doing it. It has been very enjoyable to watch. :salute:

@MW: If you could play move 54 over again, would you still play it at F16?

i dont think 54 was wrong... it was a probe.
i think 66 was too timid. (i already lost flow at this point)
i should have extended IMO.

Playing too timid and losing flow plus your opponent not making mistake will make the game look bad

drmwc · **#231**

I think 74 was an overplay.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm74 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X . Q . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X . O . O O X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , X X O O . O . X O O . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . O X X . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . X X . X . X . 1 . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O 2 . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . . a . Q . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

W played at a. However, isn't the game more fun for white as shown? Next W can consider either of the marked moves. W has quite a lot of liberties on the top group, so B will be keen to avoid a semeai.

Having looked at the comments, this is an intersting juntion:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm41 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , X X O O . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . O . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

MW's opininion is that my move is a mistake, and I should take the 3-3. However, I'm pretty happy with this move.
I want to cut in the centre, and it doens't seem to work without this move.
It strenghtens my central group (but with a slight hole).
It builds a loose moyo (with some holes)
It makes the 3-3 next quite severe.

So I thought it was a m ulti-purpose move, whereas if I go in at the 3-3 I become thin across the board.

The white respsone shown may have been interesting (although I would also have protected the corner.)

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