47. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 5

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Re: 47. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 5

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Re: 47. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 5

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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . B X . O . . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X O X . . O . . . . . |
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I'll protect the peep, threaten to cut, and live in the corner simultaneously.

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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
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$$ | . . . . . . . O X X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . B X . O . . O X . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . X . O X . . . . . . . X . . |
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He has weaknesses around "a".

His group on the right is very weak, and I can still cut apart the bottom.

He'll probably do this or something:
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Fine with me. I can still attack multiple groups!
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Re: 47. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 5

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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
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$$ | . . . . . . . O X X . . . . . W . . . |
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what he played can not be right by first sight. i will make sure my group doesnt get attacked first. and i will come back to left corner.
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . . O . . B . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X O X . . O . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . W . . . O X X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X O X . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . O X . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

another jab to minimize the corner and at same time settle my group
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . B O . . . O X X . . . . . O . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'll have to answer this. I can still make his stones on the left weak after the cut. I still have several options.
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C16 made me say "huh??" outloud...
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . W . O X X . . . . . O . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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daniel_the_smith wrote:
C16 made me say "huh??" outloud...


This is the kind of move that I have been waiting to see from Kirby, and have been hoping that he would not make in this game. I'd say that...1) he lost some of his spirit by defending in the corner like that, and 2) Why not fight. That white group is weak! Settle the group through attacking! There are plenty of aji, white's group doesn't have good shape for living!
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Re: 47. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 5

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C16 reminds me of this move:

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Re: 47. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 5

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FlameBlade wrote:
daniel_the_smith wrote:
C16 made me say "huh??" outloud...


This is the kind of move that I have been waiting to see from Kirby, and have been hoping that he would not make in this game. I'd say that...1) he lost some of his spirit by defending in the corner like that, and 2) Why not fight. That white group is weak! Settle the group through attacking! There are plenty of aji, white's group doesn't have good shape for living!


Would be good to cut and fight, but I don't see a good way of doing so. Therefore it might be better to defend.

I don't know what is the best way here. But C16 doesn't feel right to me. If black wants to defend on the inside, then black can actually consider playing at the 3-3 point. If black wants to defend from the outside, then black may consider C14, but this one I'm not entirely sure.
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Re: 47. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 5

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Aphelion wrote:
C16 reminds me of this move:

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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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Re: 47. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 5

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Magicwand wrote:
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]




Can a stronger player discuss shortly how W would answer Be17 after that move?
Sorry, if it is obvious, but I cannot see the continuation...
Thanks in advance
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Re: 47. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 5

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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
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$$ | . . X O . O . O X X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X O X . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . B . X . X . O X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


It's kind of awkward spending so many moves on the corner up here, but after this, I can move on. This move has the benefit of pressuring the two white stones if they get cut in the future.
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Re: 47. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 5

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O X X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X O X . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . B . X . X . O X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
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$$ | . . W . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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