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Offline unkx80
 Post subject: Re: 47. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 5
Post #41 Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 4:39 am 
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daniel_the_smith wrote:
C16 made me say "huh??" outloud...


This is the kind of move that I have been waiting to see from Kirby, and have been hoping that he would not make in this game. I'd say that...1) he lost some of his spirit by defending in the corner like that, and 2) Why not fight. That white group is weak! Settle the group through attacking! There are plenty of aji, white's group doesn't have good shape for living!


Would be good to cut and fight, but I don't see a good way of doing so. Therefore it might be better to defend.

I don't know what is the best way here. But C16 doesn't feel right to me. If black wants to defend on the inside, then black can actually consider playing at the 3-3 point. If black wants to defend from the outside, then black may consider C14, but this one I'm not entirely sure.

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Offline entropi
 Post subject: Re: 47. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 5
Post #42 Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 5:39 am 
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Aphelion wrote:
C16 reminds me of this move:

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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . B X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


completely agree

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Offline entropi
 Post subject: Re: 47. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 5
Post #43 Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 5:42 am 
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Magicwand wrote:
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . W . . . O X X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X O X . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . O X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]




Can a stronger player discuss shortly how W would answer Be17 after that move?
Sorry, if it is obvious, but I cannot see the continuation...
Thanks in advance

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Offline Kirby
 Post subject: Re: 47. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 5
Post #44 Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 7:33 am 
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O X X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X O X . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . B . X . X . O X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


It's kind of awkward spending so many moves on the corner up here, but after this, I can move on. This move has the benefit of pressuring the two white stones if they get cut in the future.

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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 47. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 5
Post #45 Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 12:12 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O X X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X O X . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . B . X . X . O X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #46 Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 12:47 pm 
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entropi wrote:
Magicwand wrote:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . W . . . O X X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X O X . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . O X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]




Can a stronger player discuss shortly how W would answer Be17 after that move?
Sorry, if it is obvious, but I cannot see the continuation...
Thanks in advance


Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 4 1 . 3 . O X X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . 2 . . . O X . . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X O X . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . O X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

There is no hidden tesuji here ;) B can force some moves, but in the end he must come back to play honte Bc18. If in-game you see any gain in terms of aji from forcing these exchanges than you can do them now, but if not than there is no point in doing so
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Offline Kirby
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Post #47 Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 1:16 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O X X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X O X . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . O X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . B . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Both defending and attacking here are quite big. If white plays here, I almost have to respond. Furthermore, by playing here, I aid in the opportunity of invading the bottom later.

He might play like this either now or later, but it doesn't really do that much for him:
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O X X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X O X . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . O X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X W . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #48 Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 3:10 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O X X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X O X . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . O X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
seems that all of his group are solid so i can not kill anything. i will try to win by points. i will not let him have any big points.

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Post #49 Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 3:27 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O X X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X O X . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . O X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I must keep the marked stones weak:
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O X X . . . . . W . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . . W . . X . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X O X . . W . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . O X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If I defend the bottom left, he'll play here:
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O X X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X O X . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . O X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . W . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Next, he will play here:
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O X X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X O X . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . O X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . W . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
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Corner will be OK. I'll attack top right or bottom after it's safe.

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Post #50 Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 4:08 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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Post #51 Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 4:29 pm 
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If I am Kirby, I would be looking for ways to trade something for an opportunity to go all out on top group. I haven't read too much, but point is, Kirby said, "I want to attack top group." then if he said that, he must follow up on it before he can do anything more. If he doesn't, and he beats himself up psychologically, game may go to 6 stones, much to Magicwind's annoyance.
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Post #52 Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 4:48 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
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$$ | . . X O . O . O X X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . . O . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B O . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I don't know if it's the best choice for him. It makes it easier for me to attack the bottom or the top. I think that jumping out was more severe for him:
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[go]$$Wcm1
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$$ | . . X O . O . O X X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . . O . . X . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Anyway, I'll answer the peep, and continue with the plan.

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Post #53 Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 4:51 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
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$$ | . . X O . O . O X X . . . . . O . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #54 Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 5:17 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O X X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X O X . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . O X . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . B O . . |
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This will make it easier for me to attack the bottom. I predict this:

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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O X X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X O X . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . O X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . B O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 2 3 . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #55 Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 5:20 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O X X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X O X . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . O X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #56 Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 5:24 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O X X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X O X . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . O X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B W 1 . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . 2 . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Let me know if you disagree.

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Post #57 Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 5:26 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O X X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X O X . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . O X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #58 Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 5:37 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O X X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X O X . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . O X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . B X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


There is no point in doing a tenuki to this atari. The difference is too great.

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Post #59 Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 5:38 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O X X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X O X . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . O X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , W . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #60 Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 5:42 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O X X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X O X . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . O X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I have miai between attacking the top right and splitting the bottom.

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