Lessons on counting are gone! Help!

[Yuji]

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Hi!

This one: http://stevefawthrop.goplayer.info/
And here: http://senseis.xmp.net/?SteveFawthrop%2FCounting

People say that if you send something to the internet it will be there forever, but now I find out that that rule doesn't apply to the most valuable thing you can find there. : <

I'm counting Territory all the time, but still, I want to see those lessons very badly. Does anybody have these lessons to share it here? : )

[PaperTiger]

Hi!

This one: http://stevefawthrop.goplayer.info/
And here: http://senseis.xmp.net/?SteveFawthrop%2FCounting

People say that if you send something to the internet it will be there forever, but now I find out that that rule doesn't apply to the most valuable thing you can find there. : <

archive.org attempts to record the history of the Internet. Go there and put the link that you're looking for. I checked for the first SGF file on the Sensei's page, and it's there:

http://web.archive.org/web/201001022204 ... sson_1.sgf

The other ones are probably there too.

[Li Kao]

I've just added archive.org links to the SL article

[Clossius]

It's not as good as the other counting lessons that were lost, but I have tried to teach how to count in the middle game on my channel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJ9-lho-5zQ
Counting lesson #1

hope this helps.

[happysocks]

I've just added archive.org links to the SL article

Thanks, they look interesting (am assuming its possible to use them with out the diagrams).

Any other good resources that cover counting? Books?

[jts]

For extra redundancy I'm going to paste the text in here...


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[jts]

And the last two.



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[HermanHiddema]

@jts: I'm afraid those are copyrighted.

[oren]

Any other good resources that cover counting? Books?

Position Judgement by Cho Chikun.

I mainly learned from my teacher. Figure out the normal endgame sequences you can expect to be worst case for you and count in pairs for empty territory and count each captured stone in your territory as a pair of points. As you get more practice, you can do it fairly quickly and make good estimates throughout the game.

[daal]

@jts: I'm afraid those are copyrighted.

What makes you say that? I see no indication that Mr. Fawthrop ever intended to do anything but share the lessons freely.

[jts]

@jts: I'm afraid those are copyrighted.

Fawthrop wrote explicitly that he wanted people to spread them (crediting him) but that he wanted to avoid posting them on SL because by posting them on SL he would lose the copyright, and SL uses the Open Content License. I don't believe his intention was to limit access to them if his personal website went down. He was apparently hoping to expand them into something more impressive, and never got around to it.

Anyway, I've left a note for him on KGS, asking permission, and if he objects I'll delete my posts.

[John Fairbairn]

I too recall Steve making a statement along the lines Hermann mentions. My memory of the reason is very slightly different, but even if that is the case I think it's worth making (again) an important point about copyright even when access is freely given. There are times when an author wants to amend, correct, shorten, extend, improve, or update his text while leaving it online, or he may even want to take it down for various reasons. This becomes close to impossisble if copies are sprayed around without a by your leave.

For the record, I don't want any of my stuff cross posted, and I have had several occasions to tick people off on SL for doing this. A link to the source is fine.

[tchan001]

jts, as a mod of L19, I'd like to ask you to remove the copyrighted text from your posts until you have received permission from the author. IMHO, if you would like to make them redundant, L19 is not the right place for such without permission from the author.

Please note the following quote from the SL page:

Please feel free to tell others about these lessons but do not copy or edit them and be sure to give credit. I am not posting them directly to SL because I want to reserve the copyright to them in case I ever decide to do anything with them.

However, when he used to be a more active member of L19, there were requests to do translations of them in Vietnamese and French for which he had given permission. But unfortunately, we have no idea where those translated versions are.
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[HermanHiddema]

@jts: I'm afraid those are copyrighted.

What makes you say that? I see no indication that Mr. Fawthrop ever intended to do anything but share the lessons freely.

See Steve's statement at SL, as quoted by tchan001. Steve Fawthrop specifically says "do not copy".

[RobertJasiek]

Concerning Steve's counting lessons, see my objections about the contents here:

viewtopic.php?p=132562#p132562