20. Perception (8k) vs. xDragon (9k)

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Continuing from where we left off.
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[go]$$cb:1 w:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . O O X O . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . W . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$cb:1 w:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . X 1 X 3 . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . 7 . O O X O 2 X 5 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X a 6 8 . . W . . 4 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Have to block here first. I can live easily though it will probably be in gote. This way leaves the threat of a still.
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[go]$$cb:1 w:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . X 1 X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X a 3 4 O O X O . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X 0 2 8 7 d W 9 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . b . 6 5 . c . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

If I play 6 in the previous diagram at 2 here I live in a smaller area, still in gote. The diagram continues with a-d.
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[go]$$cb:1 w:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . X 1 X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . 3 . O O X O a X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . 2 4 . . W 5 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Another possibility.

If he keeps sente I expect him to play somewhere on the right side. If 5 at 6 I can play 5 at a.
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Re: Malkovich #20 - Perception vs xDragon

Post by xDragon »

tried to make this move on godiscussions but it never went thru.

also if anyone can move the comments to here thatd be appreciated

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[go]$$cb:1 w:0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . X B X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . O O X O . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


this was the plan when i made the tiger mouth. wait and see what he does next
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[go]$$cb:1 w:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . O . . . a . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . b . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . O O X O . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . W . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Assuming White lives in Gote as he plans; these moves occur to me. I'd probably be inclined towards B, myself. Develop some of that intense influence. Also stop W making a base easily on the right.
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[go]$$cb:1 w:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . X X X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . O O X O W X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I don't know, this feels wrong but just skipping it and playing at 'a' seems like it gives a similar result but I'm confined in a smaller area (as I showed in my last post.)
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[go]$$cb:1 w:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . X X X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . O O X O W X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . a . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: Malkovich #20 - Perception vs xDragon

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[go]$$cb:1 w:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . X X X B . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . O O X O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


pretty sure this is forced.
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Re: Malkovich #20 - Perception vs xDragon

Post by fwiffo »

Have the players considered the double hane?

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[go]$$Bc Double-hane when you can!
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . X X X 1 . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . O O X O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . 2 3 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Bc
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . X X X 1 5 . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . O O X O O X 4 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . 7 2 3 6 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Bc
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . X X X 1 5 . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . O O X O O X 4 7 . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . 6 2 3 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This seems great for black any way you slice it.
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[go]$$cmove 48 b:1 w:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . X X X X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . O O X O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . W . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I don't really like this move either but because I played L3 I feel like I need to play this.
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[go]$$cmove 49 b:1 w:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . X X X X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . O O X O O X B . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


this seems very good for me. still have g4 to fix my wall in sente too. though i may need to play q10 soon
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BUMMER! It seems neither player even considered it.
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Re: Malkovich #20 - Perception vs xDragon

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For Fwiffo:

Double hane is possible but not mandatory, especially with the cutting points at a and b.

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[go]$$cmove 49 b:1 w:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . X X X X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . O O X O O X B . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . a O b . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$cmove 50 b:1 w:0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
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I need to do some reading before making a move here. If I'm already alive I can take sente and go play somewhere else. If not I need to play something like e3.

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I'm alive here. if he plays 4 at 'a' I play at 4 and I'm alive.

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After 3 here I don't see a way for my group to be killed.

Anyways I think I'm alive in sente now. So I'd like to pincer his stone in the top right and/or reduce the influence of that big wall that I gave him.

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a and b are the two pincers I'm thinking about. I don't have any idea how to continue from other pincers such as c here. Ideally I want to find a continuation that allows me to play some stones in the center to reduce the effect of his wall. I haven't really studied any of these pincers though so I'll just have to try to come up with something.


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Continuing with the cut at a I can probably take the corner. That gives me a lot of solid profit so I think it's bad for him even though he gets more influence working with his wall.


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I really don't know how to continue after either pincer. I think the high pincer gives me a better chance of reducing the influence of his wall though. If I play a low pincer he can try to keep me low.
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Maybe white is already alive but this is very painful. White can also capture 1 instead, but again he'll get a very small life in gote.
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Re: Malkovich #20 - Perception vs xDragon

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To add to what explo said, this is very bad for white to tenuki. It does not threaten to kill the top-left corner (no move does) and black gets so much in sente...

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The one thing I think these two players need to learn the most is to keep your groups healthy. Healthy does not equal alive. Healthy means your group cannot get pushed all over to the benefit of your opponent. But both players are currently taking big plays before urgent plays. If they were to stop doing this and focus on the weak groups they might improve by two stones.
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Re: Malkovich #20 - Perception vs xDragon

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well, im pretty sure i can still tenuki and live in there, so im going to take a big point, and it still puts a bit of pressure on w. im starting to look at my top left group and find a way to defend if i need it.


edit: fix move number
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