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Offline MrHeisenberg
 Post subject: Re: Heisenberg`s blog. One kuy improvement every other month
Post #21 Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 1:51 am 
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Boidhre wrote:
MrHeisenberg wrote:
I wish my opponent would not know that


Sure, but you want to be playing even against better opponents yes? :D

It is nice to balance progress with fuzzy feeling of winning games.
How to attack this group?
Go Diagram
This is a label for the diagram.
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[go]$$c This is a label for the diagram.
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X , X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . b . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . c . O . O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



Go Diagram
This is a label for the diagram.
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c This is a label for the diagram.
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X , X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 9 7 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 5 6 1 . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . . 8 4 2 . , . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline EdLee
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Post #22 Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 2:12 am 
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( Diagrams rotated for space.)
MrHeisenberg wrote:
Go Diagram
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . c . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . a . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O . b O . X . . . |
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$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
Go Diagram
Variation A
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[go]$$B Variation A
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . 8 5 9 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 4 6 7 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 3 . 2 1 . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O . . X . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O . . O . X . . . |
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$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
Without a whole board, it may not be easy to decide how to attack W. However...
In the above variation, :b3: keima is strange. A first feeling is hane outside:
Go Diagram
Variation B
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[go]$$B Variation B
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . 2 1 . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O . . X . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O . . O . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
This is a natural follow-up to the cap of :b1:, which tries to block W from going toward the center.

But if B tenuki with the keima :b3: in your Variation A, then a first feeling for W, once again, is the outside hane :w4: :
Go Diagram
Variation C
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[go]$$B Variation C
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 3 . 2 1 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


In your Variation A, the :b5: jump is also strange, because it leaves a weakness which W promptly exploits with the push :w6:, and B ends up with 2 cuts at (x) and (y):
Go Diagram
Variation A
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[go]$$B Variation A
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 5 x . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 4 6 7 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 3 . 2 1 y . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


If B simply replies with :b5:, then W still has to deal with the cut (z):
Go Diagram
Variation D
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[go]$$B Variation D
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 4 5 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 3 . 2 1 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . z . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O . . O . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


Another first feeling is the inside hane :b1:, W cuts with :w4:, and a fight starts -- again, it depends on the whole board:
Go Diagram
Variation E
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[go]$$B Variation E
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . 2 1 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 3 4 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O . . X . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O . . O . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline Bill Spight
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Post #23 Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 8:41 am 
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Go Diagram
Variation F
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[go]$$B Variation F
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . 2 1 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline skydyr
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Post #24 Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 11:49 am 
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Bill Spight wrote:
Go Diagram
Variation F
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[go]$$B Variation F
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . 2 1 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O . . O . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Ouch.
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Offline MrHeisenberg
 Post subject: Re: Heisenberg`s blog. One kuy improvement every other month
Post #25 Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 1:10 am 
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Rank: KGS 11kyu
KGS: Heizenberg
Keima is no good
Diagonal is better for W, still it is unfavorable.
Go Diagram
This is a label for the diagram.
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c This is a label for the diagram.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 9 7 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 5 6 1 . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . . 0 8 4 2 , . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline Boidhre
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Post #26 Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:21 am 
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Why :b3: again?

Sorry, I mean is there some area that Black is trying to surround on the bottom?
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Offline MrHeisenberg
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Post #27 Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 11:26 am 
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I find knight`s move efficient in attacking
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Offline oren
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Post #28 Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 11:38 am 
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MrHeisenberg wrote:
I find knight`s move efficient in attacking


The question is if you can attack which depends on the rest of the board.
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Offline mitsun
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Post #29 Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 12:30 pm 
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The knight move is good for attacking, but the attack must have some purpose. In general, the purpose is not to capture, but rather to force your opponent to run, allowing you to make thickness or territory in the process. In this case, the direction of play matters. For example, a few plausible attacks are shown below. On an empty board, it is hard to say which of these attacks is best. Even though attacking for its own sake may feel good, it is often best to leave a position like this alone, until a preferred direction can be chosen.

Go Diagram
Knight move attack #1 to build lower side
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[go]$$ Knight move attack #1 to build lower side
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 6 1 . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . . . . 4 2 , . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 5 . 3 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Go Diagram
Knight move attack #1 (variation)
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$ Knight move attack #1 (variation)
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 9 6 1 . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . . . 5 4 2 , . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Go Diagram
Knight move attack #2 to build center
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$ Knight move attack #2 to build center
$$ ---------------------------------------
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . . . . . 2 , . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . 4 X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Go Diagram
Knight move attack #2 (variation)
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$ Knight move attack #2 (variation)
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . . . . . 2 , . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . 4 X 8 X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 5 6 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline MrHeisenberg
 Post subject: Re: Heisenberg`s blog. One kuy improvement every other month
Post #30 Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 1:42 pm 
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Nice thoughts.
I shall replay these moves

Terrible game.
Lesson - to never play in a hurry.


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