45. emeraldemon (3k) vs. tj86430 (7k)

tj86430 · Post by **tj86430** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 10:31 am

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Unhidden:
According to the plan. I will secure the corner and threaten to expand it to the left. His weak group is better of, but perhaps not entirely safe yet.

Harleqin · Post by **Harleqin** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 10:36 am

emeraldemon · Post by **emeraldemon** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 10:52 am

It's exciting that we're starting to get some comments, I can't wait to read them!

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If you agree.

So which is better: extend?

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Or capture directly?

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Extending makes a guaranteed eye, but also lets black secure the corner in sente. Capturing threatens means if black plays 2 above, I can tennuki, if I'm willing to accept less eyespace. The main thing is that I don't want black to be able to chase me around the board for more thickness, so I'm taking the eye. I'd rather be solid now so I can fight later.

tj86430 · Post by **tj86430** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 11:49 am

I agree. I'm also very keen to read the comments afterwards.

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Unhidden:
I think it's about time to do something to the left side. I could approach his stone in the upper left, but I'm afraid he will pincer and I will end up with a weak group while he solidifies his lower left. Therefore I play in the middle, where I can extend to either upwards or downwards and have a secure base.

emeraldemon · Post by **emeraldemon** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 3:03 pm

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tj86430 · Post by **tj86430** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 5:38 am

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Agree?

Unhidden:
I must say that his invasion doesn't surprise me. I just had a hard time deciding which side to block, and I eventually decided this side is slightly better. I expect him to play the standard joseki. The only problem is that it will be gote for me. I could play the double hane variation (4 at 5), but there white can complicate things, so I think I will stick to the conventional one.

emeraldemon · Post by **emeraldemon** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:46 am

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Ok, the moyo on the right is worth about 35 points of solid territory, which is a lot. But I'm not about to give up this game yet. I have some control of 3 of the corners, which is over 30 points if I can keep them. I still have to do something about the top and the left, but I think I can figure out something.

As for my last move, I think it's the biggest point, and black should have played there instead of the middle left. I can still make some good use out of the top stone I played before:

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I'm not saying this is the best way to play on top, I'll have to think about it some more, but there's potential. As for the lower left shimari, it has a lot less potential for growth, but I can ignore black 1 above and still fell like the group is solid. If he probes in side, I'll try to use the thickness I gain to attack his left group and reduce the right potential.

emeraldemon · Post by **emeraldemon** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:52 am

tj86430 · Post by **tj86430** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 9:03 am

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Unhidden:
There are a couple of large points left in this opening. First I felt I must make my lone stone on the left more secure, otherwise he will play around C9 and I don't have enough room to make a decent base. I decided to play this first, since this looks so big to me and I think this is sente, so I get to play C8 later. If he doesn't respond to this, I will have a very powerful attack on his two weak stones at the top. Other big points are around G3, R12 and N17.

emeraldemon · Post by **emeraldemon** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 11:14 am

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tj86430 · Post by **tj86430** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 11:40 am

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Unhidden:
Ok, if he chooses to ignore my threat towards his weak stones, I will continue to attack. I intend to kill, and in the meantime I hope that my attacking will also indirectly help my own weak stone. I feel I'm ahead, but I'm afraid I have overlooked something. Time will tell.

daniel_the_smith · Post by **daniel_the_smith** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 11:52 am

emeraldemon · Post by **emeraldemon** » Fri Jun 18, 2010 10:35 am

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tj86430 · Post by **tj86430** » Fri Jun 18, 2010 11:18 am

I wont be able to spend much time on this during this weekend, so my next move will probably be on Monday. Sorry about that.

tj86430 · Post by **tj86430** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 11:32 am

I still haven't had much time, but I will go with my instinct:

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Unhidden:
I know that Jowa says "don't run", but I think I have some chance of connecting to my stones in top-middle. I also thought of abandoning my lone invading stone altogether, and I still may, but I want to see how he answers. Not a good reason for a move, but as I said I haven't had much time to think about this, and I don't want to stall the game for any longer.

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