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Offline fwiffo
 Post subject: Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)
Post #81 Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 1:52 pm 
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Gote move is gote. I think. :-?

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Offline Violence
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Post #82 Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 2:05 pm 
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Someone needs to teach this guy the difference between a thick wall and a heavy group.


Alright, back to work for me. The move will come tomorrow.

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Offline Joaz Banbeck
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Post #83 Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 5:29 pm 
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topazg wrote:
Hmmm, don't like that one. Black's totally alive, and that's not sente. I'd prefer a lighter move:

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


It seems to be the wrong direction. His best hope to escape is to run westward.
I'd respond like this:


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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O c O O . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . b a . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . b 1 . W . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Where :b1: ruins white's shape, threatens to enclose at 'a or 'b's, and threatens to cut at 'c'.

However, the idea of playing light does have some appeal. I'd play it like this:


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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . W . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Now, the shape wrecking move does not have the enclosure possibilities that it once had, as white runs westward:

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . W . 1 . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



Overall, I think that Magicward's arrogance has caught up with him. If Violence can curb his bloodlust and not insist on killing this, I think that he can chase it with great profit.

All he has to do is just stick :b1: out there to mess with white's eye space and make running difficult...

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O O . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 4 . 2 . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 5 . 3 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Then establish a picket line across the middle to take a game-winning moyo as he chases white.

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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)
Post #84 Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 5:26 am 
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it seems that comment implies that people think that white is in bad shape.
i dont see any move that really threaten my group.
if black try to attack my group he will be sorry.
i really feel comfortable at this stage of the game.
and also i think i see a move that he doesnt which will distroy his will to fight.
i will post that later.

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Offline topazg
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Post #85 Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 5:33 am 
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To Joaz:

The point of light is to sacrifice. The cut at "c" is uninteresting at the moment. I would prefer this:

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O c O O . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . b a . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . b 1 . W . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


To this:

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O c O O . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . W . 1 . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 2 . 3 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


As Black can make a big moyo on the right just as easily. The cut at "c" means that the three stones are now heavy, whereas in the previous diagram they were light. Just planning to run away is far too timid here for White in my opinion.
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Offline Violence
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Post #86 Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 10:13 am 
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I still have a bit of aji, so let's proceed steadily.


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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O O . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . B . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)
Post #87 Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 11:50 am 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O O . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . W . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
everytime he try to attack me he will lose points.. i think i can get more than 10 points in the middle. :razz:
below are the points that i wanna go in priority sequence.
and aji i talked about before. it will not work now but..if i can get to 'a' to make sure he doesnt have a way out...it will be deadly aji.
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X 2 1 3 . . 6 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O X 4 X X O 5 X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X 7 X O O . |
$$ | . . b . . . . . . O O O O . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . a . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . W . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . c . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . d . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #88 Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 12:31 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O O . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . W . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . B . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I have to constantly monitor my group on the top right. Ladder breaker is probably sente.
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Post #89 Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 12:37 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X . W . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O O . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X . O B . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O O . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I've read this. I think I'm ok.
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Post #91 Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 12:44 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O O . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
intresting... i didnt exptect that..
i will still go with my original plan + little change.

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Post #92 Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 12:53 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X B X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O O . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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Offline Magicwand
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Post #93 Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 12:58 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X B X O O . |
$$ | . . W . . . . . . O O O O . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
wow..did he just gave me sente? the game is over...

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Post #94 Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 1:01 pm 
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Did... he just... take gote?

Man... I feel like I've already won.


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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X X X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O O . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . B . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #95 Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 1:04 pm 
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Can someone explain to me why this wouldn't have been fairly good for Magicwand:

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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X 2 O X 1 . 3 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O O . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


To me it seems to keep black separated and at least somewhat wulnerable

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Offline Chew Terr
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Post #96 Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 1:09 pm 
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Oh, and TJ, the best I can think of is it might force black to capture R12, giving strength on the outside and sealing white's corner more soundly? But that's just supposition. You could probably ask MW now, as the option's no longer there.

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Post #97 Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 1:12 pm 
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The comments in this game are hilarious.

@tj
I think black takes r13 in a ladder and white's group becomes quite weak, but I'm not 100% sure.

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Post #98 Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 1:14 pm 
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tj86430 wrote:
Can someone explain to me why this wouldn't have been fairly good for Magicwand:

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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X 2 O X 1 . 3 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O O . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


To me it seems to keep black separated and at least somewhat wulnerable


Well, there's this:

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X O X O 2 O 1 4 . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O X . X X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O O . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline phrax
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Post #99 Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 1:20 pm 
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I have a positional question about this move. Killing white's group is big, but the side feels bigger to me. I'd think white playing around 'a' would be a bigger pain than the center group living. Am I just way off base on this?


Violence wrote:

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X X X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O O . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . B . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . a . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #100 Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 1:23 pm 
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phrax wrote:
I have a positional question about this move. Killing white's group is big, but the side feels bigger to me. I'd think white playing around 'a' would be a bigger pain than the center group living. Am I just way off base on this?


Violence wrote:

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X X X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O O . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . B . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . a . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


It *might* be bigger if white actually could keep that side, but that's really unlikely, white would likely need another 2 more moves

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