[go]$$Bc White doesn't care about those two stones $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . X O . O , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . X X . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . X O . O 6 X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . X . 5 3 4 . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . 1 O O X O X O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
is medium-big endgame... Only way it might be sente now is because it gets me an eye, but I don't see myself dying so I don't think that's a good enough reason.
EDIT:
And besides, I can always play above and it will be just as sente as it was a move ago... So I might yet get it.
That which can be destroyed by the truth should be.
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If it's gote then, what you played is kinda gote too I think. I'd rather leave that for him to capture than H4 for him to get, he can still cut on whichever side you don't connect ..
The safer he forces me to make this group, the easier it is for me to think about cutting that knight's jump.
So I'm trying to study shape right now and this is an interesting move to me. Can you explain the reasoning for this vs. 'a' and 'b' below? Personally I would have played 'b' since 'a' seems to invite white to strengthen himself. I wouldn't have even considered the move you made, so I feel like there's something here I'm not seeing, or some heuristic about the tiger's mouth I'm not familiar with.
$$Bc $$ | . . . O . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . O . X . . $$ | . . . X . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . O . X . . $$ | . . . X . . . . . , $$ | . . . b a O . X . . $$ | . . . X O . c . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . . $$ ----------------------
[go]$$Wc gote $$ | . . . O . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . O . X . . $$ | . . . X . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . O . X . . $$ | . . . X . . . . . , $$ | . . B . . O . X . . $$ | . . . X O . c . . . $$ | . . 2 1 3 . . . . . $$ ----------------------[/go]
$$Bc Later white can often eat a lot of the corner with a. $$ | . . . O . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . O . X . . $$ | . . . X . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . O . X . . $$ | . . . X . . . . . , $$ | . . . . B O . X . . $$ | . . a X O W . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . . $$ ----------------------
[go]$$Bc Later white can often eat a lot of the corner with a. $$ | . . . O . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . O . X . . $$ | . . . X . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . O . X . . $$ | . . . X . . . . . , $$ | . . . . B O . X . . $$ | . . a X O W . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . . $$ ----------------------[/go]
That which can be destroyed by the truth should be.
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[go]$$Wc gote $$ | . . . O . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . O . X . . $$ | . . . X . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . O . X . . $$ | . . . X . . . . . , $$ | . . B . . O . X . . $$ | . . . X O . c . . . $$ | . . 2 1 3 . . . . . $$ ----------------------[/go]
$$Bc Later white can often eat a lot of the corner with a. $$ | . . . O . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . O . X . . $$ | . . . X . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . O . X . . $$ | . . . X . . . . . , $$ | . . . . B O . X . . $$ | . . a X O W . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . . $$ ----------------------
[go]$$Bc Later white can often eat a lot of the corner with a. $$ | . . . O . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . O . X . . $$ | . . . X . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . O . X . . $$ | . . . X . . . . . , $$ | . . . . B O . X . . $$ | . . a X O W . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . . $$ ----------------------[/go]
Ah, okay. I wasn't thinking about the end game but when it's laid out it makes sense.
[go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . X O . O , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O B . O O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . X X . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . X . . X O . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . O O X O X O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
::smacks this move down loudly with evil grin::
This is a move I've been wanting to play for a while, and now that my middle group is firmly connected I'm 95% sure it works. As far as I can tell white will have to give up something significant.
I think the point below this one might work too, but this seems clearer to me somehow.
Possible white responses and how I will deal with them:
$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . X O . O , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O B 2 O O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . 1 O . X X . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . X . . X O . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . O O X O X O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . X @ b @ , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . a . . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . W B c @ @ X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . Q d X X . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . Q . X . . X O . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . O O X O X O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . Q . X X X O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . . . X Q . . . . . O . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
If and get disconnected, white is screwed. So a move (like c) that threatens to cut is sente. (But, you say, what if and connect and live-- is just a few stones? Answer: in that situation, black has stones at (c) and (d) and can capture making both black groups connected and thick. In my opinion white can resign if that happens.)
If I get a stone at (a), black at (b) might be a disaster for white.
BTW, topazg, if you're reading this-- if I hadn't gotten sente with my last move, I think white would have done something to prevent this...
That which can be destroyed by the truth should be.
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[go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . X O W O , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O X . O O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . X X . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . X . . X O . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . O O X O X O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
holy cow...that was so~~ unexpected!!!
yea.. i saw that one coming but that is not correct way to attack.. if someone going to as "then what is the correct way??" i am sorry i dont know...but i know that what he played is wrong for sure. i convered my weakness and his group is weak so have to run away... then i will play 2 ...it looks like a good shape for white..
$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 2 X . X O W O , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . 1 . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O X . O O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . X X . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . X . . X O . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . O O X O X O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . X O O O , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O X . O O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . B O . X X . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . X . . X O . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . O O X O X O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Spending lots of time reading seems to pay off, haha... I should try it in all my games!
In addition to connecting my top group and going a long way to neutralize that single white stone, this threatens to cut his tail off, connecting my other group:
$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . X O O O , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O X . O O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . B O . X X . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X 3 1 2 X O . O . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . X . . X O . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . O O X O X O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . X O O O , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O X . O O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X O . X X . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . . X O . O . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . B O . X . . X O . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . O O X O X O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I almost moved last night and it's a good thing I didn't because I noticed this morning that if I responded how I wanted to originally (connecting in gote at (a) below), white can set up a horrible ko on the bottom (exercise for the reader to find it). This way leaves a lot of aji for white on the left but I think I will get sente again, which I will now use to stabilize my group. Or I might connect at (a) because there is an awful lot of bad aji there, I don't think white can kill my dragon.
$$Wc My plan $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . X O O O , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O X . O O X . 4 . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . a X O . X X . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O 1 . X O . O . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . B O . X . . X O . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . 3 2 . O O X O X O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wc My plan $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . X O O O , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O X . O O X . 4 . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . a X O . X X . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O 1 . X O . O . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . B O . X . . X O . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . 3 2 . O O X O X O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . | $$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
protects the cut in sente again. If I omit it, white can atari (which is sente against the left) and then the cut works for white. If white omits I think white's position just falls apart.
That which can be destroyed by the truth should be.
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is medium-big endgame... Only way it might be sente now is because it gets me an eye, but I don't see myself dying so I don't think that's a good enough reason.
above and it will be just as sente as it was a move ago... So I might yet get it.
and 
get disconnected, white is screwed. So a move (like c) that threatens to cut is sente. (But, you say, what if 
connect and live-- 
protects the cut in sente again. If I omit it, white can atari 
(which is sente against the left) and then the cut works for white. If white omits 
I think white's position just falls apart.