The impenetrable wall at 6 kyu

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Re: The impenetrable wall at 6 kyu

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This is maybe coming from a music book I really like, called "Effortless Mastery". One of its points is that you might think youve got something if you can do it 80% of the time, but in order for it to be something you can build on, you really need to be able to do it effortlessly, almost 100% of the time.
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these are all really great suggestions for learning to read.
thanks Krama for bringing up this topic, as I have the same problem, and may be my current barrier to improving.
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Long time no see.
I'm almost through the wall. And it is thanks to Haylee. (But I'm wondering if everyone watches her videos then everyone improves simultaneously thus all ranks will stay the same.)

Anyway, reading another topic urged me to post this game:
The title could be "My epic struggle against the sandbagger".
Although the guy might have been just trying to get a rank.
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Re: The impenetrable wall at 6 kyu

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As a general takeaway I feel that white's play in the game encouraged black to strengthen his own positions and didn't take advantage of black's dubious tenukis early on in the game. A more in depth commentary is above.
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skydyr: thank you for your review! The opponent later turned out to be 2-3k strong (according to KGS archives) although by the middle of the game I was pretty sure he was stronger than 9k)

Aaaand, I think my wall is finally down! All hail Halylee for her magic videos! I certainly attribute my +0.5 stone strength to watching her videos.

Here is a (now) 5k game of mine I'd like someone to please comment as I'm sure I made many mistakes and I had a distinct uncertainty as to how to profit from chasing that black group without giving up my own dragon.

Here is the game, I was white. It was quite close until I smelled aji and had a "let's try this" moment that resulted in game deciding profit.

- :w8: this is one of the very few josekis I know and I thought it would end up ok for white. Black tenukied before the end of the joseki which I think was a mistake.
- :b17: seems to me like the typical lonely and too deep stone so I thought I should apply some pressure. Which ended up as a chase which then spun out of control.
- :b27: is where I went "what now?". Then I decided to run for the C-10 stone but I wasn't sure if it was a good idea.
- I'm not sure if the :w34: tenuki is ok, but I didn't want to play F-16 after the kick.
- This was a profane and easy to see through plan but it worked: play the ladder breaker than do the ladder.
- :w50: I saw that I'll be able to protect the cut with a net. (Later it went non-functional and I didn't notice :()
- :w60: in reality I aimed at the corner.
- I know that :b65: should be a mistake here but I was not brave enough to try and punish.
- maybe :w94: should have been at O-4?
- :b127: spoiled my net and I didn't notice...
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Re: The impenetrable wall at 6 kyu

Post by tentano »

Some thoughts, keep in mind I'm not really any better at this game than you are.

I couldn't help but swear and gesticulate wildly when black let such a large capture happen, with that mistake at 161.

It was silly. Should've played 161 at C7

:w14: seems like it could have gone a little closer, maybe R9.
:b17: seems plainly wrong to me. Doesn't threaten to slide into the corner, and all it can do there is run.
:b19: seems wronger. It forces white to reinforce, and doesn't look like it gains something nice.
:w24: at M12 maybe? Pushing from the top seems too slack anyway, and it doesn't really enclose territory on the fifth line.
:w30: at K14 to keep it split off. The central line of white stones isn't really fenced in anyway.
:w32: at C14 to work with the central line, which happened next move anyway...
:b35: F16 seems mandatory, here
:b37: E16 seems to lead to more interesting places for black.
:w74: cut at E4 seems promising
:w93: definitely agree on O4 being better.
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Re: The impenetrable wall at 6 kyu

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:w34: you are right that you don't want to play F16 after the kick.

A cool move for :w46: is B15 protects the cut in sente.
it's okay to leave the cut behind at B15 in exchange for sente


:w50: it seems like this is the wrong move because you play :w52: If you want to protect yourself from being undercut I think N18 is better. It threatens to come in under black and also doesn't induce black to stand up at M16 causing you to play N16 (empty triangle)

:w65: there's some tricky joseki involved after black hanes and it only works because you have the C6 stone. idk if it works in this exact situation. But I think it's important to know the difference between having the C6 stone and jumping directly into the 3-3.

http://eidogo.com/#kjd:pdqfqhqcqdpcoc

:w82: I think your aim here was J5 right? why not just play J5 directly. Black is still forced to save H5 from atari. And then you still have the move F8 available to you


:b17: Good thought. Your move at :w18: is what I would do.

:w24: I think this is the wrong side. This move is too far from the black stones. The other white group is weaker so it's probably better to make them stronger first. Did you consider M12? This move is called a cap and is a very strong weapon when attacking.



Other notes :b23: and :b31: I think might be a pattern in your games. Normally you want to keep your opponents stones separated. That's how you create weak groups and attack. In the case of :b23: maybe there's no time for you to split, but in the case of :b31: you definitely could have fought.

Just some things you can think about.

I do like your ladder breaker at J13. Super cool. :]
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Re: The impenetrable wall at 6 kyu

Post by Knotwilg »

In the showdown, Black makes a fatal mistake at 161.
You could have avoided his improved answer by playing the shapewise better move at 156, to which Black has an interesting tesuji. Eventually I believe you can at best capture 3 stones.

Good game!

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Knotwilg, actually in your variations white doesn't get anything: after peep of 156 for 161 black simply ataris at e7 to capture white and save everything. Better is to peep for 154, as then if black connects you take a liberty with e7 which threatens h5 (so f6 is aji keshi) and if black defends against that then a8 works (so black has to let white capture the 3 stones, in sente with the snapback shape.
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Re: The impenetrable wall at 6 kyu

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Correct. I was blind for the atari at E7
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