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by macelee » Mon Sep 15, 2014 2:07 pm
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Full game record:
http://www.go4go.net/go/games/sgfview/43238
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by DrStraw » Mon Sep 15, 2014 3:51 pm
That does not so much like an opening as a middle game started too early.
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by Bill Spight » Mon Sep 15, 2014 5:28 pm
It's rotating and growing larger.
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by judicata » Mon Sep 15, 2014 6:19 pm
Awesome. The result? B+3.5
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by illluck » Mon Sep 15, 2014 6:32 pm
This was played by Cho U a couple of weeks ago (and likely a couple of months ago on Tygem). See
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=10710
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by xed_over » Mon Sep 15, 2014 6:39 pm
illluck wrote: This was played by Cho U a couple of weeks ago (and likely a couple of months ago on Tygem). See
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=10710 Ohashi Hirofumi mentioned Cho U (I think) in his video when he was talking about the Black Hole
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by xed_over » Mon Sep 15, 2014 6:46 pm
the whole game record from Mr Kin's site (for those without go4go access -- thanks Mace Lee for the find)
(; EV[62nd NHK Cup 2nd round] WR[9d] PW[Yamashiro Hiroshi] FF[3] SZ[19] GM[1] KM[6.5] RE[B+3.5] PB[So Yokoku] DT[2014-08-04] BR[8d] ;B[og];W[dp];B[mo];W[dd];B[ge];W[df];B[em];W[gq];B[gc];W[oc];B[qc] ;W[oe];B[qf];W[kc];B[ch];W[eg];B[db];W[di];B[cj];W[qp];B[qn];W[op] ;B[mq];W[nq];B[rp];W[rq];B[nr];W[on];B[pl];W[or];B[qo];W[pq];B[np] ;W[no];B[oq];W[qe];B[re];W[nq];B[mp];W[pf];B[qg];W[pg];B[ph];W[oh] ;B[pi];W[oi];B[oj];W[ng];B[nj];W[cc];B[jb];W[jc];B[ic];W[id];B[kb] ;W[lc];B[hd];W[ib];B[hc];W[lb];B[po];W[ro];B[oo];W[rn];B[pp];W[qq] ;B[cq];W[dq];B[cp];W[do];B[bn];W[dm];B[dj];W[cr];B[br];W[dr];B[cb] ;W[cg];B[bm];W[qm];B[oq];W[jq];B[bh];W[el];B[fj];W[bg];B[bc];W[bd] ;B[ab];W[ec];B[eb];W[pm];B[rl];W[ql];B[qk];W[rm];B[ee];W[gg];B[fh] ;W[ei];B[fl];W[dl];B[ej];W[fi];B[pd];W[pe];B[rd];W[pk];B[qj];W[ie] ;B[od];W[nd];B[ne];W[md];B[ig];W[of];B[lg];W[ol];B[gh];W[gi];B[hh] ;W[hi];B[fg];W[hk];B[gm];W[pj];B[sk];W[li];B[ji];W[gk];B[fk];W[jj] ;B[kj];W[ki];B[jk];W[ij];B[jh];W[kk];B[ni];W[lj];B[nh];W[mg];B[og] ;W[pb];B[jr];W[iq];B[kr];W[hb];B[gb];W[ka];B[ir];W[hr];B[hp];W[hq] ;B[ke];W[le];B[lf];W[mf];B[jf];W[rb];B[qb];W[qa];B[jd];W[kd];B[je] ;W[bs];B[en];W[co];B[bo];W[cm];B[ck];W[ef];B[ar];W[ff];B[gf];W[fe] ;B[dc];W[cd];B[ed];W[fd];B[fc];W[oh];B[pr];W[qr];B[os];W[rc];B[qd] ;W[sc];B[nn];W[im];B[go];W[fp];B[km];W[kl];B[jm];W[jl];B[kq];W[jo] ;B[lm];W[fo];B[gn];W[ko];B[eo];W[ep];B[in];W[hm];B[ad];W[ae];B[ac] ;W[de];B[hs];W[gs];B[is];W[io];B[hn];W[fr];B[dh];W[eh];B[af];W[be] ;B[ag];W[ci];B[bi];W[pc];B[rf];W[sd];B[se];W[rh];B[qh];W[ri];B[ok] ;W[pl];B[qi];W[ml];B[mm];W[sm];B[oi];W[og];B[nl];W[bf];B[ah];W[mk] ;B[nk];W[ec];B[ll];W[lk];B[ha];W[ja];B[ii];W[ed];B[hl];W[il];B[gl] ;W[qs];B[gj];W[ps];B[or];W[fn];B[fm];W[cl];B[bl];W[kh];B[kg];W[lp] ;B[lo];W[kp];B[hj];W[ik];B[ip];W[lq];B[lr];W[jp];B[kn];W[sl];B[rk] ;W[ia];B[ga];W[mh];B[nm])
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by Fedya » Mon Sep 15, 2014 7:23 pm
I'd just like to get reasonable results from orthodox play. Seeing players get good results from moves that look like they make no sense is extremely frustrtaing.
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by Uberdude » Mon Sep 15, 2014 7:54 pm
If I had forsaken other career/education opportunities and spent tens or even hundreds of thousands of hours studying Go to become a professional I would be extremely frustrated if I wasn't able to do things an amateur who only spent a few hours a week on Go could.
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by jeromie » Mon Sep 15, 2014 8:56 pm
Thanks for sharing this game! It makes me happy to think that the final chapter on good go play might not be written, though I'm doubtful this sort of play would hold up in longer games. Still, if there were no one willing to experiment we might miss out on some potentially beautiful games.
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by ez4u » Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:49 am
I missed seeing this broadcast because I was out playing Go.
Does anyone know who did the commentary on TV? It must have been challenging!
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by Cassandra » Tue Sep 16, 2014 2:12 am
I know a commentary by Ôhashi Hirofumi, who has played several of these "unusual" openings, in which he stated that "usually" -- maybe around move 80 or so -- the resulting POSITIONs look very much like "normal" ones, with the exception of only a very, very few stones. I am quite sure that he referred to pro-pro-games.
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by snorri » Tue Sep 16, 2014 12:20 pm
I like that he ends up sacrificing