49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)

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Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)

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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
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$$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X X X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O O X . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X O . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . O O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . O X . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O O O X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X O X O O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . X . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O . X . O X . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . O X O . O . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O X W X . O X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . X O X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
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if he block be from top i thik he will have some problem. let me see how he answer this move.
he is playing the game very sloppy. leaving toomuch aji and giving me chance to comeback.

shapenaji wrote:
Magicwand wrote:
i am pissed at myself for letting him control my emotion.
i wanted to show him that i can beat him with my playing territory game and same time let my group live easily.
my plan backfired. i am pissed at the idea of weaker player beating me on even game.
i wanted to make something happen in his territory and it is not going too well.
last 10 moves do not have any "EDUCATIONAL VALUE" other than my struggle to get back in the game.
that is why you dont see me talk about it.



As an outside observer, you seem very confident that you should win. You should know, Violence isn't that much weaker than you (on KGS he's usually 2-3d, and the middle-game is when he is strongest. He's pulled off many wins against people who are rated stronger. Underestimating your opponent is one of the most dangerous things you can do. Assuming that you "deserve" a win is the quickest way to put yourself on tilt.

I think the best way to calm your nerves is to recognize that he's decent, and remove your ego from the equation, it will become much easier to play your kind of game again.

EDIT: that being said, I think you SHOULD talk about how you pick moves to try to get back into the game, weaker players would benefit from that


thank you for your kind advice..
2-3 dan in kgs is definitely weaker than i am. i usually dont lose to 3D in KGS so i shouldnt lose to him on even game. not only that..i can see from his comment that he is weaker.
it is the grudge i got from the comment he put on kirby-magicwand game that rattled my emotion.
i was waiting for this match and wanted to show him that he is not of equal strength.
it is more than overconfidence...i wanted to show him that i can beat him whatever way he choose to play.
well...i guess not :)
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Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)

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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X X X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O O X . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X O . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . O O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . O X . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O O O X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X O X O O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . X . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O . X . O X . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . O X O . O . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O X O X . O X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . X O X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . B . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)

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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . X X . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X X X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O O X . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X O . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . O O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . O X . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O O O X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X O X O O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . X . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O . X . O X . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O O W . . . O X O . O . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O X O X . O X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . X O X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . X . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)

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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . X X . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X X X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O O X . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X O . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . O O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . O X . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O O O X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X O X O O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . X . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O . X . O X . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O O O . . . O X O . O . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O X O X . O X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . X O X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . B . X . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Now then... to business.

Where are your eyes?
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Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)

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Magicwand wrote:
thank you for your kind advice..
2-3 dan in kgs is definitely weaker than i am. i usually dont lose to 3D in KGS so i shouldnt lose to him on even game. not only that..i can see from his comment that he is weaker.
it is the grudge i got from the comment he put on kirby-magicwand game that rattled my emotion.
i was waiting for this match and wanted to show him that he is not of equal strength.
it is more than overconfidence...i wanted to show him that i can beat him whatever way he choose to play.
well...i guess not :)

Oh, sorry, your info under your name says 3d KGS, is that wrong?. I'm 4d KGS, and while my record against 3d's is good, I still make a point never to underestimate them, especially when I'm ahead. I have no doubt that under the right circumstances, a 2d KGS could beat me, and I might win against a 6d. Ranks are sometimes bad indicators of comparative strength...

I can see that he rattled you. You both have very different styles of play, and I wonder about how accurately each of you gauges the other. You each see the other as weaker, because you are both playing toward different goals and so you both feel like you are accomplishing what you are after.
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Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)

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Magicwand wrote:(snip) i usually dont lose to 3D in KGS (snip)


I thought he was stronger than 3d, now we have evidence!

Fortunately for my game, I also think I'm stronger than 1k... :twisted:
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Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)

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shapenaji wrote:
Magicwand wrote:
thank you for your kind advice..
2-3 dan in kgs is definitely weaker than i am. i usually dont lose to 3D in KGS so i shouldnt lose to him on even game. not only that..i can see from his comment that he is weaker.
it is the grudge i got from the comment he put on kirby-magicwand game that rattled my emotion.
i was waiting for this match and wanted to show him that he is not of equal strength.
it is more than overconfidence...i wanted to show him that i can beat him whatever way he choose to play.
well...i guess not :)

Oh, sorry, your info under your name says 3d KGS, is that wrong?. I'm 4d KGS, and while my record against 3d's is good, I still make a point never to underestimate them, especially when I'm ahead. I have no doubt that under the right circumstances, a 2d KGS could beat me, and I might win against a 6d. Ranks are sometimes bad indicators of comparative strength...

I can see that he rattled you. You both have very different styles of play, and I wonder about how accurately each of you gauges the other. You each see the other as weaker, because you are both playing toward different goals and so you both feel like you are accomplishing what you are after.

i've seen you play and you are strong. probably stronger than i am..(although i dont wanna admit)
i dont usually play in KGS. i decided to move my rank to 4Dan and was successful. i think it is my true rank 4D if i concentrate. i am sure that you can tell who is the stronger player by looking at the game.
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . X X . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X X X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O O X . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X O . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . O O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . O X . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O O O X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X O X O O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . O X W . . . X . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O . X . O X . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O O O . . . O X O . O . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O X O X . O X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . X O X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . X . X . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . X X . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X X X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O O X . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X O . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . O O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . O X . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O O O X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X O X O O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . O X O . . . X . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O . X B . X . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O O O . . . O X O . O . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O X O X . O X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . X O X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . X . X . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . X X . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O O X . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X O . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . O O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . O X . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O O O X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X O X O O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . W . O . . . X X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . O X O . . . X . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O . X X . X . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O O O . . . O X O . O . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O X O X . O X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . X O X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . X . X . . . . . X X O . |
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Magicwand is clearly rattled from his game with me!
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . X X . O X . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X X X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O O X . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X O . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . O O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . O X . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O O O X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X O X O O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . B W . O . . . X X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . O X O . . . X . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O . X X . X . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O O O . . . O X O . O . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O X O X . O X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . X O X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . X . X . . . . . X X O . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Hmm... he's probably going to run out.

I don't think I care.

He's lost too much in his corner.
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$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O O O X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . W X O X O O . , . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . X X O O O . . . O X O . O . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O X O X . O X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . X O X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . X . X . . . . . X X O . |
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$$ | . . . . . . X O . O . . . X X X X X . |
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No better ideas.

Let's see what happens.
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Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)

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