k43r
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by k43r Wed Jun 30, 2010 7:23 am
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First is good to bump - it secures corner, makes him harder to make eys and make him heavier.
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$cWI think white shoudl treat his initial kakari as a light stone and extend 3 spaces from it, than i will hane and he will secure with either stretch or 2-space extension.
Kie
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by Kie Wed Jun 30, 2010 9:05 am
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Aiming at the aji and extension.
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by k43r Wed Jun 30, 2010 9:31 am
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by daniel_the_smith Wed Jun 30, 2010 9:48 am
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by Aphelion Wed Jun 30, 2010 9:54 am
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by Numsgil Wed Jun 30, 2010 9:54 am
Kie wrote:
I suggest this sequence:
(Either way, I will keep move
here.)
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So I've been studying
Contact Fights which suggests (as an advanced level concern) that you should play an "interrupt" (some other sente sequence) to clarify which choice you should make when playing out a joseki with a choice in it. I don't think there's much choice in this joseki, but is playing out this joseki straight like this optimal or would it be good to play it piecemeal? White gets sente and center/side facing influence, so I don't think white minds playing it out straight (a strong wall like this is maximally effective this early in the game). But maybe black should initiate the invasion then play some other moves up top to limit the usefulness of white's coming thickness along the side. Or hold off on the 3-3 invasion just yet?
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by daniel_the_smith Wed Jun 30, 2010 10:40 am
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Kie
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by Kie Wed Jun 30, 2010 11:22 am
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Cut first, think later!
Actually, I usually try to find a "most resistance variation" from black in order to get some idea about worst-case-scenarios. I usually like to drag out games and slowly wear my opponent down, so I dislike losing games early and thus try to avoid disaster whenever possible. It doesn't always work but hope lives on.
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by k43r Wed Jun 30, 2010 11:50 am
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by Kie Wed Jun 30, 2010 11:57 am
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by k43r Wed Jun 30, 2010 12:07 pm
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White strongest move is S15 and then I am screwed. I can live in gote in corner >_> I think I will sacrifice corner take outside and sente. I don't know why i had not considered W:s15 before >_>
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I'll decide after next 3 moves. It's needs very much reading
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Kie
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by Kie Wed Jun 30, 2010 2:15 pm
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I'll stick with the plan. Not sure what black can do to get a good result here.
If it goes like this:
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by Dusk Eagle Wed Jun 30, 2010 4:54 pm
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by fwiffo Wed Jun 30, 2010 7:15 pm
@Numsigil:
To add a few things about that joseki - there are basically two reasons why you'd want to tenuki. 1) There is a really big sente move elsewhere, and/or 2) You want to see how your opponent responds before choosing what to do with the pincered stone.
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by k43r Thu Jul 01, 2010 2:16 am
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here.)
I'll decide after next 3 moves. It's needs very much reading
