Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Gresil · Post by **Gresil** » Fri Jul 02, 2010 9:31 am

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Fri Jul 02, 2010 11:36 am

Violence · Post by **Violence** » Fri Jul 02, 2010 11:38 am

The previous testimony had a fatal contradiction!

Evidence:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc 5?A: W 31, B 28 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . . , X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X . . C . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . . B . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O C . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Marcus · Post by **Marcus** » Fri Jul 02, 2010 11:40 am

A applaud the awesomeness of the previous post.

Violence · Post by **Violence** » Fri Jul 02, 2010 11:46 am

Since I don't get to change moves very often, I figured I should make them as epic as possible.

Gresil · Post by **Gresil** » Fri Jul 02, 2010 12:01 pm

I remember one occasion in the GD half of this game where I made exactly such a non-leaning move and it was changed to a leaning one.

Website · Post by **Chew Terr** » Fri Jul 02, 2010 12:02 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc 5?A: W 31, B 28 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . W . . . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . . , X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Hmm...

Violence · Post by **Violence** » Fri Jul 02, 2010 12:10 pm

Which one would that be, Gresil?

Gresil · Post by **Gresil** » Fri Jul 02, 2010 1:15 pm

I can't remember. I've lost track of the move history.

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Fri Jul 02, 2010 8:25 pm

I approve.

Our central group has lots of room to run, so when black plays a move that threatens both groups, we should defend the other one. Younger brother's choice not only gets a much eye space as we reasonably can, it conveniently happens to be a good approach to the corner.
The only thing that I worried about was that there might be a mutual kakari around L18, and that black would get it first. The most successful attempt by us does reduce black's eyespace, but black gets the corner and then has one eyeless group running between two eyeless groups.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . 5 O 4 . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X 8 2 1 . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X 9 7 3 . . . 6 . . . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X 0 X . O . . . , X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]

Letting black have that spot first is not too bad:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . 3 . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . 1 2 4 . . . a . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . b . . . W . . . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . . , X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . c . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]

as white has 'a', 'b', and 'c'.

shapenaji · Post by **shapenaji** » Sun Jul 04, 2010 9:08 am

....Approved

Gresil · Post by **Gresil** » Tue Jul 06, 2010 7:09 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc 61A: W 31, B 28 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . . , X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . B . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc 61A: W 31, B 28 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . . , X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . B . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This slow tug was my #2 option.

Arguments against the keima cap:
- I can't predict :w2:

at all
- White is able to tenuki and still make a living group on the top
- L12, the other candidate move, is a focal point

Arguments against the jump:
- May provoke the white center group to strengthen itself at the expense of the black group on its left side and return in sente to further attack the top right corner.
- White would not play in that area yet if it was his turn, and he definitely won't play there in response to the keima cap.

Other moves I considered:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc 61A: W 31, B 28 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . 2 1 , X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . 4 3 . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This weakens my top center group. L12 is looming.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc 61A: W 31, B 28 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . . , X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . . . . . 1 . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This is too wimpy.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc 61A: W 31, B 28 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . 1 2 . O . . . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . . , X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I have no idea what happens and I don't know what I would be trying to achieve here.

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Tue Jul 06, 2010 12:28 pm

Not approved

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc 61B: W 33, B 28 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O B . . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . . , X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . C . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Violence · Post by **Violence** » Tue Jul 06, 2010 2:42 pm

Approved.

Website · Post by **Chew Terr** » Tue Jul 06, 2010 3:04 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc 62A: W 33, B 28 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . W , X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc Does not seem to work $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X 2 3 . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . W 1 . . . O X . . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . . , X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]

Because we cannot yet attach and attack directly, I see two options. Either we can respond to the kick in the usual way (standing up with an iron pillar) or we can tenuki, forcing black to do further to kill this area. However, I think at the moment that we are better off trying to live on top, to reduce black to a small corner and a weak(ish) group. This is for two reasons: first, if we live up there reasonably, black loses a potential fifth+ line territory. Secondly, my siblings corrected me when I attempted to tenuki to the east, and did not correct my approach in the top. So for both reasons, I shall declare that the top is biggest, and try to defend it. My only concern is that we could weaken our central group, or worst of all, create two weak groups at once. There are ways to try to connect our new group (for example, starting at K19), so I am mostly concerned with the central group. So I will play to strengthen our top group (strengthen your stones when contacted), and keep an eye on the center group, ready to whisk it away if it needs it. The alternative to the iron pillar would be to try to connect under with K19 immediately, but that seems more of a last-minute desperation measure. I would rather live if possible than be forced to connect one or two stones low.

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