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 Post subject: Re: 52. Dusk Eagle (1k) vs "Kerby" (2k)
Post #101 Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 11:00 am 
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[go]$$Wcm92 Move 92 Caps W:1 B:1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X X X . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O X O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . X X O . O . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X O O . O . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . O . X X O X . O X . . |
$$ | . X X 1 O . . . . . . . X X . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O O X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . O X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I am a bit surprised Dusky added the extra move here. I thought he would trash my side first like so:
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[go]$$Bcm91 Move 91 Caps W:1 B:1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X X X . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O X O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . X X O . O . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X O O . O . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . O O 7 5 . . . O . X X O X . O X . . |
$$ | . X X 3 O 6 . . . . . . X X . O X . . |
$$ | . . X 2 1 4 . . . O O X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . O X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

If this happened I think I would have to resign. For now I am still not sure with him choosing the move he did. I assume he wants to attack my stones at the top but I don't fear that.

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Post #102 Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 8:16 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm93 Move 93 Caps W:1 B:1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X X X . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O X O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . X X O . O . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X O O . O . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . 1 . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . O . X X O X . O X . . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . . . . X X . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O O X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . O X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Okay, so he's trying to make the left side big. I think he should have attacked me from the left more before taking gote over on that side. Now, I am going to fix my shape (probably in sente), take some sente on the right, and then get back to reducing the left some more.

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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X X X . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O X O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . X X O . O . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X O O . O . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . W X O . . . . . . . . . . 3 4 . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . 7 O 8 . . |
$$ | . 9 O O . . . . . . . . . . . 5 6 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . 2 . 1 . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . O . X X O X . O X . . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . . . . X X . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O O X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . O X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This is my plan. Let's see how closely I can stick to it. My biggest concern is if he plays :w2: at :b9:. Then do I capture the stone or play around :w2: myself? If he does that I will have to think for a bit about it.

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 Post subject: Re: 52. Dusk Eagle (1k) vs "Kerby" (2k)
Post #103 Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 9:42 am 
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[go]$$Wcm94 Move 94 Caps W:1 B:1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X X X . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O X O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . X X O . O . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X O O . O . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . 1 . X . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . O . X X O X . O X . . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . . . . X X . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O O X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . O X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The cut at the top is dangerous but making points on the side is still bigger.

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Post #104 Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 2:44 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm95 Move 95 Caps W:1 B:1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X X X . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O X O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . X X O . O . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X O O . O . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . O . X . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . O . X X O X . O X . . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . . . . X X . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O O X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . O X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Now time to take a little bit of sente on the right side to keep it low. He can either play as below or he can resist differently, but I think other ways of play for him are worse.

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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X X X . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O X O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . X X O . O . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X O O . O . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . 1 2 . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . 5 O 6 . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . 3 4 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . O . X X O X . O X . . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . . . . X X . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O O X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . O X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I'm not going to start from the other side as below because he might be able to play :w4: like this:

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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X X X . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O X O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . X X O . O . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X O O . O . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . O 4 . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . 1 2 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . O . X X O X . O X . . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . . . . X X . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O O X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . O X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Whereas this leaves more holes in his shape if he chooses to play like this:

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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X X X . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O X O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . X X O . O . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X O O . O . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . O 2 . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . O . X . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . O . X X O X . O X . . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . . . . X X . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O O X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . O X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #105 Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:59 am 
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I don't see a way I can gain enough points to come back. Good game Dusk Beagle.

Even if I get all the big points left on the board I would still need to make my stones at the top live, there is no way I can have both.

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Post #106 Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 11:42 am 
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I feel this move here was my most critical error. I really should have hopped into the upper left.
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[go]$$Wcm36 Move 36 Caps W:0 B:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . 1 . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I really like Kie's take on the corner, that move 30 is really hard to find. Very strong sequence!

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Post #107 Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 1:51 pm 
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Kerby wrote:
I can personally verify my opponent's avatar does not closely resemble his real appearance.
Lol!

k43r wrote:
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[go]$$Bcm79 Move 79 Caps W:1 B:1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X X . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . X X O . O . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X O O . O . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , 1 . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . X . . . . O X . . |
$$ | 6 5 X . O . . . . . . . . X . O X . . |
$$ | 8 4 X . . . . . . O . X . . O . . . . |
$$ | . 2 3 O . . . . . . . . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . 7 X O . . . . . O . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . O X . O . X . . . |
$$ | 9 . X X O X . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Corner is reduced by ~8 (rough estimate, did not count) points and black does not have endgame at A8, so i think this move is worth "only" 10 points in reverse sente. Shouldn't black tenuki and play for example 1? as an urgent point?


I agree with you now. Actually, I realized that this would have been better later on in the game myself, but by then it was too late.

Kerby wrote:
I guarantee Dusky beagle will feel insulted by my probe coming up in the upper left.

I am always insulted by overplays, just shortly before they defeat me :D .

Good game Kerby! It was fun. Pretty atypical for us really; not a lot of fighting, and you focusing so much on influence. My shape in the top-right was bad, I need to avoid it in the future. Other than that I think I did pretty well. Any extra comments appreciated.

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