Fedya wrote:
Bill Spight wrote:
Thickness, reduction, other concepts that you have difficulty with! Maybe you should forget about concepts and just fight like hell.
Granted, I didn't quite fight like hell, but in this game, it seems like every time I tried to play a move that wasn't passive, the result was that I got smacked down hard, immediately. This happens to me all too often when I play moves that aren't passive.
It also has thickness that doesn't work, and a pincer attack that goes wrong. Where have we seen those things before?
In fact, you lost this game because of pessimism. For one thing, you resigned instead of soldiering on. Courage, mon vieux.
Yes, you screwed up the attack, but the result was close to a wash. You could have taken the lead. Instead, White kept the advantage, the advantage that he had gained from your earlier pessimistic play.
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After the game, I was worried that I had screwed up on
and cost myself a chance to win. That's because I was thinking White would passively play S16 in response to S14. If White simply descends to T15, Black is toast.
You misread that position. Eye vs. no eye is your friend.
See comments for more.
(;GM[1]AP[GOWrite:2.3.46]ST[2]CA[UTF-8]SZ[19]FF[4]FG[259:]GN[ ]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]RE[W+Resign]KM[6.50]DT[2016-12-28]TM[1200]RU[Japanese]PW[xz63]PM[2]OT[5x60 byo-yomi]PB[Fedya]WR[6k]BR[6k]
;BL[1196.007]B[pd]
;WL[1197.844]W[dd]
;BL[1190.343]B[dp]
;WL[1194.946]W[pp]
;BL[1178.436]B[qn]
;WL[1191.97]W[nq]
;BL[1169.553]B[pk]
;WL[1176.104]W[qi]
;BL[1155.276]C[I decided not to play a passive move like R9, and wouldn't you know, things immediately go wrong.]B[qg]
;WL[1170.801]C[*** Not yet.]W[oi]
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;BL[1146.005]C[*** A bit slow. See variation.]B[on]
;WL[1161.892]W[rp]
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;BL[1137.847]C[*** Slow. See variation.]B[nk]
;WL[1158.439]C[OK, where are my stones going to get eyes?
*** Don't you mean, where is White going to get eyes?]W[rk]
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;BL[1110.225]C[*** Passive. See variation.]B[ql]
;WL[1152.885]W[nh]
;BL[1081.845]C[I don't like this move much, but it helps with eyespace, and keeps White separated.
*** Your insincts are right. This is a lousy move. And just how might White connect?]B[rl]
;WL[1148.854]W[qc]
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;BL[1075.078]C[I don't think I can afford to play R16 and get sealed in. I might not even get two eyes on the side.
*** First, how do you get sealed in? And second, you might choke on a chicken bone. Courage, mon vieux. See variation.]B[pc]
;WL[1144.92]W[qd]
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;BL[1053.672]C[*** Perhaps unwise to create a weakness with the White group so close. See variation.]B[qe]
;WL[1140.932]W[re]
;BL[1037.107]B[qf]
;WL[1139.53]W[pb]
;BL[1034.764]B[ob]
;WL[1137.962]W[pa]
;BL[1027.555]C[I played here so that White playing P19 later wouldn't be so damaging. Little did I realize this was going to come back to haunt me.If I had played something like P17, or played next at P15, it would simply underline that once again I've wound up with a bunch of worthless thickness.
*** So far, so good.]B[nc]
;WL[1135.347]W[rb]
;BL[1011.532]C[Attack in a big way! Of course it goes wrong!
*** Good idea! Black has the chance to turn the tables on White.]B[lh]
;WL[1133.342]W[mg]
;BL[1006.617]B[lg]
;WL[1131.585]W[mf]
;BL[1002.973]B[ke]
;WL[1111.182]W[md]
;BL[974.78]B[mc]
;WL[1108.871]C[I didn't see the power of this move. I had thought I'd be able to capture this cutting stone in a net, but it doesn't work.
*** Congratulation to White for seeing that. That's good for a 6 kyu.]W[pe]
;BL[886.232]B[oe]
;WL[1106.911]W[pf]
(
;BL[884.185]C[*** Having seen that the net does not work, you tried this. But see variation.
End of comments.]B[of]
;WL[1105.058]W[pg]
;BL[881.9]B[ph]
;WL[1101.617]W[og]
;BL[845.374]B[qh]
;WL[1095.398]W[pi]
;BL[831.479]B[ri]
;WL[1092.738]W[rj]
;BL[824.733]B[rh]
;WL[1084.814]W[qj]
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;BL[810.432]C[I think I should have played S14 first. It doesn't work, though, if White is careful enough to play T15.]B[oh]
;WL[1082.548]W[ng]
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;BL[808.64]C[*** Mistake. See variation.
]B[ni]
;WL[1073.674]W[rf]
;BL[783.429]B[ld]
;WL[1069.169]W[od]
;BL[777.318]B[oc]
;WL[1063.181]W[ne]
(
;BL[771.392]C[I wonder whether I should have saved the P15 stones. I did later and got into a running battle that I lost, but at this point I was so frustrated that I decided to attack elsewhere. That having been said, the game has probably been lost for 20 moves anyway.
*** Pessimistic. Note that White will eventually have to capture the Black stones in the top right. In such cases Black has compensation for losing them. In this case, yes, White is still ahead. However, not by enough to make much difference at your level. IMO Black has around a 45% chance of winning the game.
Without this move, that is. It is not an attack. White's corner is secure. See variations.
End of comments.]B[lq]
;WL[1029.417]W[mi]
;BL[768.203]B[nj]
;WL[1026.894]W[lj]
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;BL[756.469]B[lo]
;WL[1021.253]W[jj]
;BL[750.86]C[Played out of desperation, to be honest.]B[cc]
;WL[1015.081]W[cd]
;BL[748.076]B[dc]
;WL[1008.348]W[ed]
;BL[739.551]B[ec]
;WL[1006.399]W[ch]
;BL[735.517]C[An attempt at a reducing move, I don't think it does much.]B[eh]
;WL[999.301]W[ii]
;BL[724.704]B[lf]
;WL[994.731]W[mh]
;BL[717.662]B[nd]
;WL[988.765]W[nf]
;BL[714.226]B[od]
;WL[981.044]W[dj]
;BL[708.648]B[ej]
;WL[954.098]W[dk]
;BL[697.935]B[me]
;WL[947.859]W[cn]
;BL[696.385]B[li]
;WL[944.685]W[mj]
;BL[693.81]B[kj]
;WL[941.642]W[kk]
;BL[690.903]B[ki]
;WL[933.789]W[lk]
;BL[688.582]B[jk]
;WL[912.604]W[ik]
;BL[685.332]B[jl]
;WL[910.459]W[kl]
;BL[680.378]B[jm]
;WL[908.684]W[km]
;BL[678.729]B[kn]
;WL[894.798]W[ln]
;BL[675.975]B[lm]
;WL[887.135]C[I'm not going to win the capturing race.]W[jn]
;BL[644.033]B[im]
;WL[880.704]C[So, I resigned.]W[ko]
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;B[mh]
;C[White has enough liberties to win the semeai.]W[rg]
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;B[cf]
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;B[rf]
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;W[se]
;B[sg]
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;C[*** Mistake.]W[si]
;C[*** Through the magic of eye vs. no eye, Black wins the semeai.]B[ni]
;W[sl]
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;C[*** Black avoids making ko. See variation.]B[rm]
;W[sj]
;B[oj]
;W[mi]
;B[nj]
;W[sh]
;B[rd]
;W[rc]
;B[qk]
;W[sd]
;B[pj]
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;B[sm]
;W[sj]
;B[rd]
;W[rc]
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;B[oj]
;C[*** Ko.]W[rm]
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;C[*** No ko, but White wins the semeai.]B[ro]
;W[sd]
;B[oj]
;W[mi]
;B[nj]
;W[sf]
;B[qk]
;W[sh]
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)
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;W[mi]
;B[si]
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;W[sd]
;B[sg]
;W[si]
;B[ni]
;W[sj]
;B[oj]
;W[mi]
;B[nj]
;W[sh]
;B[qk]
;C[*** Ko. But]W[sf]
;B[se]
;W[od]
;B[rd]
;W[oc]
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;B[rf]
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;W[rd]
;B[sg]
;W[si]
;B[oh]
;W[ng]
;B[ni]
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;W[nj]
;B[mi]
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;W[oj]
;B[mj]
;W[ok]
;B[ol]
;W[nl]
;B[mk]
;W[sj]
;B[qk]
;W[se]
;B[pj]
;W[sf]
;B[sl]
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;W[ok]
;B[mj]
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;W[oj]
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;W[ol]
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;W[se]
;B[oj]
;W[sf]
;B[pj]
;W[sj]
;B[qk]
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;W[pj]
;B[oj]
;W[se]
;B[qk]
;W[nj]
;B[sk]
;W[ol]
;B[oj]
;W[sf]
;B[nj]
)
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;W[mj]
;B[oj]
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;W[se]
;B[oj]
;W[sf]
;B[pj]
;W[sh]
;B[sj]
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;W[sj]
;B[oj]
;W[sh]
;B[pj]
;W[se]
;B[qk]
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;W[oj]
;B[nj]
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;W[sj]
;B[ok]
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;W[ok]
;B[ol]
;W[nl]
;B[ml]
;W[nm]
;B[qk]
)
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;W[sl]
;B[sm]
;W[sk]
;B[rm]
;W[nj]
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;B[mj]
)
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;B[mi]
(
;W[mj]
;B[oj]
;W[ok]
;B[ol]
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;W[oj]
;B[mj]
)
)
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;W[se]
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;B[sg]
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;B[sf]
;W[rd]
;B[sg]
)
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;B[oh]
;W[ng]
;B[ni]
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;W[sf]
;B[oj]
;W[si]
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;B[sh]
)
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;B[sg]
;W[sj]
;B[pj]
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;W[sg]
;B[sf]
;W[si]
;B[sj]
;W[sk]
;B[oj]
)
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;B[ph]
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;W[pi]
;C[*** Bingo!]B[of]
)
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;W[of]
;B[pi]
)
)
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;B[pe]
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;W[re]
;B[rf]
;W[qe]
;B[pf]
)
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;W[qe]
;B[pf]
;W[pb]
;B[ob]
;W[qb]
;B[lh]
)
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;C[*** Because of Black's timid play, White has taken the lead. There is something to be said for Black making a base and then attacking the White group on the side, which is not yet alive.]B[qd]
;W[pc]
;B[oc]
;W[ob]
;C[*** Protects the Black group, attacks the White group.]B[og]
)
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;B[mi]
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;C[*** Having strengthened your bottom right group, go for the attack.]B[mi]
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;C[*** Usual, no?]B[rp]
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skydyr
you deviate (not a game over mistake, but you give away points and allow white follow up moves without compensation)
he deviates also. I don't like that move. These moves are rarely correct.
Your comment is no, no and no. The move is correct. Trust in it. P17 would be haunting you way more.
Your opponent can potentially cut you (doesn't work now. Partly due to 
at all. 
. Look at the black floating group and then at the white floating group. Which do you prefer and by how much? If you could swap colours, what would be your strategy with that weak white group? Resign? It's all relative. As long as the opponent group looks even more stupid than your group, fortuna sits on your shoulder and rewards the brave. 
at Q15 instead of N14, I still could have captured it?
fills. 
at "a".
has left Black with an open skirt, the bottom side may not be so urgent. The problem with "a" is that it feels a bit too close to the the solid Black corner (:bc:) for comfort. Still, it is playable, I think. But you did not handle it well. Perhaps you would have found the reduction, 
, easier to handle.
or after I played L4. I wouldn't be surprised if L4 was a mistake just because once Black had a few more stones in the lower right in response to 
is also a mistake, I think. I believe it should have been the cap at K4 instead of the shoulder hit. The thing is, I look at a move like K5, and even more than with the shoulder hit see a stone that's floating and is going to get eyes who only knows where. That, and it looks like it does less to keep Black from getting a whole bunch of territory in the bottom right.