61. Redundant (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)

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[go]$$Bcm55 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . X X O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O . X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Let's reduce this moyo. This move aims at the weakness in his three space extension, and also has many ways to make sabaki.

Note that he left a cut at M12. I seriously considered just cutting.
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Re: 61. Redundant (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)

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[go]$$Wcm56 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . X X O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O . X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


It's tricky. I have the choice to block the bottom or the left and he'll jump into the other side.
I chose the left because it's bigger and I'm expecting this:

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . W . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . 5 . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . 3 . . . , . . X X O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . O 1 . . O . X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . 2 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Alternatively I can try this:

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . W . 6 7 . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X 4 5 . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O , 2 3 a . . , . . X X O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . O 1 . . O . X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


aiming for the cutting point at 'a', but I don't know if this is good, cause if he can defend, then I lose more points than with the above variation.
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[go]$$Bcm57 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . 1 . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . X X O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O . X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I'm trying to play lightly to live in his moyo. I should have no problem doing so.

I wanted to do this, but didn't have the ladder, but now with my move, the attachment works.

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[go]$$Bcm57 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O , 3 2 5 . . , . . X X O , O . . |
$$ | . . . 4 O 1 . . O . X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 61. Redundant (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)

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Zwergesel wrote:
Alternatively I can try this:

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . W . 6 7 . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X 4 5 . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O , 2 3 . . . , . . X X O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . O 1 . . O . X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


aiming for the cutting point at 'a', but I don't know if this is good, cause if he can defend, then I lose more points than with the above variation.

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . W . 6 b . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X 4 5 . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O , 2 3 a . . , . . X X O , O . . |.
$$ | . . . . O 1 . . O . X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . a 8 7 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This is one var. that i know and usually it's better, but this time thanks to white prospects at center i think it's not good.

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . W . 6 . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X 4 5 . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O , 2 3 . 7 . , . . X X O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . O 1 . . O . X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Maybe this?
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[go]$$Wcm58 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . 1 . . , . . X X O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O . X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


His move was a bit too passive, in my opinion. I will take the bottom and sente and then see where I'll go from there. Some places I'm thinking about:

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[go]$$Wcm58 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . b . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . d . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . c c . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . a . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . 2 . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . 1 . . , . . X X O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O . X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The other move I thought about in order to prevent K5 was this:

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[go]$$Wcm58 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X 1 . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . X X O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O . X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

However I think the resulting fight is not good for me, because he'll inevitably split me on the bottom and then run into the center and I can't make territory there if I have to take care of the weak group I'm creating with this move.
Still it's a very close second, because it's a more aggressive move in a position where I am behind in points.
But unless I can kill his stones, which I don't think I can, it's not good enough.
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It'll be about a week before my next move. I'm taking a week off from go.
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[go]$$Bcm59 Prisoners: W=0, B=2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . O . 1 , . . X X O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O . X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

If he tries to cut, miai.
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . a . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . O . 1 2 . . X X O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . b O 3 X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Or,
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . 9 . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . 5 8 . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . O . 1 3 4 6 X X O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O 2 X 7 . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

9 threatens to capture. With a move to make eyeshape, I should be fine.
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Re: 61. Redundant (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)

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Sorry that I did not respond for so long :oops:

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[go]$$Wcm60 Prisoners: W=0, B=2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . O . X , . . X X O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O . X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I don't think I have to respond to this attachment. If captures one stone to make some territory on the bottom, I'm getting a very strong center, which is more valuable given my center influence.

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . W . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . 6 . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X 4 . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . O 2 X , . . X X O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . 1 O 3 X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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No problem.

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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoners: W=0, B=2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . 1 X . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . O . X , . . X X O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O . X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I'll save this stone.
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[go]$$Wcm62 Prisoners: W=0, B=2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . 1 O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . X X . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . O . X , . . X X O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O . X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Good! His move saves the E5 stone, but it's slow and gote and I think it's kind of small too, because the E5 stone isn't doing much. If I were black, I would have left E5 as aji and attacked elsewhere. Anyway, I now have time to fix the weakness that I left on the top. I don't think I can leave that there, if I want to make as much territory in the middle as possible.
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I'm planning to do a count before my next move. However, I have a bad habit of procrastination.
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I'll post a move after I'm over my jet lag.
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Re: 61. Redundant (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)

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No need to hurry :)
I'm in Holland at the moment and won't have internet access except for the internet cafe that I'm at right now. I'll check the forums every two days maybe. I'll be back on tuesday next week.
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Re: 61. Redundant (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)

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Count

Black: 17 (UL) + 44 (UR) + 11 (B) = 72
White: 8 (BR) + 29 (BL) + 6.5 (Komi) = 43.5

So I need to prevent white from getting more than 28 points from his moyo ... if my count is accurate.
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[go]$$Bcm63 Prisoners: W=0, B=2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . X X . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . O . X , . . X X O , O . . |
$$ | . . 1 . O . . . O . X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I'll see if I can live here.
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