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Offline Redundant
 Post subject: Re: 61. Redundant (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)
Post #61 Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 5:46 am 
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[go]$$Bcm55 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . X X O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O . X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Let's reduce this moyo. This move aims at the weakness in his three space extension, and also has many ways to make sabaki.

Note that he left a cut at M12. I seriously considered just cutting.
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 Post subject: Re: 61. Redundant (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)
Post #62 Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 10:42 am 
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[go]$$Wcm56 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . X X O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O . X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


It's tricky. I have the choice to block the bottom or the left and he'll jump into the other side.
I chose the left because it's bigger and I'm expecting this:

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . W . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . 5 . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . 3 . . . , . . X X O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . O 1 . . O . X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . 2 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Alternatively I can try this:

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . W . 6 7 . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X 4 5 . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O , 2 3 a . . , . . X X O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . O 1 . . O . X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


aiming for the cutting point at 'a', but I don't know if this is good, cause if he can defend, then I lose more points than with the above variation.
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Offline Redundant
 Post subject: Re: 61. Redundant (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)
Post #63 Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 10:57 am 
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[go]$$Bcm57 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . 1 . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . X X O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O . X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I'm trying to play lightly to live in his moyo. I should have no problem doing so.

I wanted to do this, but didn't have the ladder, but now with my move, the attachment works.

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[go]$$Bcm57 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O , 3 2 5 . . , . . X X O , O . . |
$$ | . . . 4 O 1 . . O . X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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 Post subject: Re: 61. Redundant (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)
Post #64 Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 10:58 am 
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Zwergesel wrote:
Alternatively I can try this:

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . W . 6 7 . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X 4 5 . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O , 2 3 . . . , . . X X O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . O 1 . . O . X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


aiming for the cutting point at 'a', but I don't know if this is good, cause if he can defend, then I lose more points than with the above variation.

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . W . 6 b . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X 4 5 . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O , 2 3 a . . , . . X X O , O . . |.
$$ | . . . . O 1 . . O . X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . a 8 7 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This is one var. that i know and usually it's better, but this time thanks to white prospects at center i think it's not good.

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . W . 6 . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X 4 5 . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O , 2 3 . 7 . , . . X X O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . O 1 . . O . X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Maybe this?
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 Post subject: Re: 61. Redundant (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)
Post #65 Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 3:54 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm58 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . 1 . . , . . X X O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O . X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


His move was a bit too passive, in my opinion. I will take the bottom and sente and then see where I'll go from there. Some places I'm thinking about:

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[go]$$Wcm58 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . b . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . d . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . c c . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . a . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . 2 . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . 1 . . , . . X X O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O . X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The other move I thought about in order to prevent K5 was this:

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[go]$$Wcm58 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X 1 . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . X X O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O . X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

However I think the resulting fight is not good for me, because he'll inevitably split me on the bottom and then run into the center and I can't make territory there if I have to take care of the weak group I'm creating with this move.
Still it's a very close second, because it's a more aggressive move in a position where I am behind in points.
But unless I can kill his stones, which I don't think I can, it's not good enough.
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 Post subject: Re: 61. Redundant (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)
Post #66 Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 3:59 pm 
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It'll be about a week before my next move. I'm taking a week off from go.
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Post #67 Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 2:42 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm59 Prisoners: W=0, B=2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . O . 1 , . . X X O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O . X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

If he tries to cut, miai.
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . a . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . O . 1 2 . . X X O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . b O 3 X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Or,
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . 9 . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . 5 8 . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . O . 1 3 4 6 X X O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O 2 X 7 . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

9 threatens to capture. With a move to make eyeshape, I should be fine.
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Post #68 Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 2:50 pm 
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Sorry that I did not respond for so long :oops:

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[go]$$Wcm60 Prisoners: W=0, B=2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . O . X , . . X X O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O . X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I don't think I have to respond to this attachment. If captures one stone to make some territory on the bottom, I'm getting a very strong center, which is more valuable given my center influence.

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . W . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . 6 . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X 4 . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . O 2 X , . . X X O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . 1 O 3 X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #69 Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 3:03 pm 
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No problem.

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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoners: W=0, B=2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . 1 X . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . O . X , . . X X O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O . X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I'll save this stone.
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Post #70 Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:51 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm62 Prisoners: W=0, B=2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . 1 O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . X X . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . O . X , . . X X O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O . X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Good! His move saves the E5 stone, but it's slow and gote and I think it's kind of small too, because the E5 stone isn't doing much. If I were black, I would have left E5 as aji and attacked elsewhere. Anyway, I now have time to fix the weakness that I left on the top. I don't think I can leave that there, if I want to make as much territory in the middle as possible.
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Post #71 Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 1:29 pm 
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I'm planning to do a count before my next move. However, I have a bad habit of procrastination.
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Post #72 Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 4:39 am 
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I'll post a move after I'm over my jet lag.
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Post #73 Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 5:40 am 
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No need to hurry :)
I'm in Holland at the moment and won't have internet access except for the internet cafe that I'm at right now. I'll check the forums every two days maybe. I'll be back on tuesday next week.
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Post #74 Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 6:08 pm 
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Count

Black: 17 (UL) + 44 (UR) + 11 (B) = 72
White: 8 (BR) + 29 (BL) + 6.5 (Komi) = 43.5

So I need to prevent white from getting more than 28 points from his moyo ... if my count is accurate.
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Post #75 Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 6:13 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm63 Prisoners: W=0, B=2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . X X . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . O . X , . . X X O , O . . |
$$ | . . 1 . O . . . O . X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I'll see if I can live here.
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Post #76 Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 9:39 am 
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[go]$$Wcm64 Prisoners: W=0, B=2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . X X . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O 1 . . O . X , . . X X O , O . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . O . X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If I block this way, black gets the tripod group, which is alive:

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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . 3 . X . X X . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . 2 O , . . O . X , . . X X O , O . . |
$$ | . . B 1 O . . . O . X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

So I will try a different move and hopefully will be able to kill.
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 Post subject: Re: 61. Redundant (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)
Post #77 Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 10:31 am 
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[go]$$Bcm65 Prisoners: W=0, B=2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . X X . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . 1 O O . . O . X , . . X X O , O . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . O . X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

KO.
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[go]$$Bcm65 Prisoners: W=0, B=2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . 2 . . X . X X . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | 6 1 O O . . O . X , . . X X O , O . . |
$$ | 7 . X . O . . . O . X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . 3 5 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Trigger:
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[go]$$Bcm65 Prisoners: W=0, B=2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . 2 . . X . X X . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . 1 O O . . O . X , . . X X O , O . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . O . X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #78 Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 11:33 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm68 Prisoners: W=0, B=2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . X . X X . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . O . X , . . X X O , O . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . O . X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . X . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


After seeing the trigger I wish I had not played B5. B2 might have been more promising. I thought I could kill him, but it is tricky and I don't see anything better than a ko. However I don't have any ko threats while he has quite a few that I wouldn't want to ignore, so I guess I'll have to let him live small and take sente.

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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=2
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . O .
$$ | . 5 . O . . . .
$$ | 4 O . . X . X X
$$ | . X O O . . O .
$$ | 6 . X 3 O . . .
$$ | . X 2 1 . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ -----------------[/go]

Alive. But probably best play for white.

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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=2
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . O .
$$ | . . . O . . . .
$$ | . O b . X . X X
$$ | 3 X O O c . O .
$$ | 4 5 X a O . . .
$$ | . X 2 1 . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . .[/go]

This is the ko. He has an internal ko threat at 'a' and I am in trouble if I lose the ko due to 'b' and 'c'.
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Offline Redundant
 Post subject: Re: 61. Redundant (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)
Post #79 Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 9:16 am 
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[go]$$Bcm69 Prisoners: W=0, B=2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . X . X X . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . O . X , . . X X O , O . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . O . X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . X 1 O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Still according to plan.
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 Post subject: Re: 61. Redundant (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)
Post #80 Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 7:37 am 
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[go]$$Wcm70 Prisoners: W=0, B=2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . X . X X . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | 1 X O O . . O . X , . . X X O , O . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . O . X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Trigger:
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[go]$$Wcm70 Prisoners: W=0, B=2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . X . X X . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | W X O O . . O . X , . . X X O , O . . |
$$ | 2 3 X . O . . . O . X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I had another idea, assuming that he tries to use :b4: as his first ko threat:

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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=2
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . X . X X . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | 1 X O O b . O . X , . . X X O , O . . |
$$ | 2 3 X 4 O . . . O . X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | 5 X X O 6 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 8 . a . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

a then allows me to kill his group with a ko and b lets him live in gote:

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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=2
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . X . X X . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | O . O O 1 . O . X , . . X X O , O . . |
$$ | . O X X O . . . O . X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | O X X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 . X 4 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I would be happy with this result, so I'm going to start the ko and see whether he tries a different ko threat first or uses the internal one.
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