56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)

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Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)

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Best three out of five? Jubango?
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Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . O . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . b O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . a . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . X . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

after this move i hated myself for not thinking.
i treated him like a kyu level player.

this move is wrong for 2 reason.
first: i shouldnt play there. instead i should have player at 'a'
second: if i want to play there (which is wrong timing) i should have played at 'b'
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Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)

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daniel_the_smith wrote:Best three out of five? Jubango?


i dont mind playing 3 out of 5 :)
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Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . O O X . . X . . X X O . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . X O X O X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X . a B . X . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

this is another move i haved.
it should have been 'a' then white would have been in trouble.
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Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)

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Kirby wrote:Bravo. It's a pity that you two won't play another.


It's a pity that they won't write more.
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Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)

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At this point in the game it is Black's move:

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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=6, B=10
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . O X . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . |
$$ | X X O O . . . O O X . . X . . X X O . |
$$ | O O O . . O . . O O X X X O X O X O . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . X O . . . O O O O . |
$$ | . X X O O X X X O O . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . X . . . . . O O O O X |
$$ | . . X . X O . X . X . . . . X O O X . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X . X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O O a X X O . X X X . . . X . |
$$ | . X O . O X O O O . O . O . . . O 3 . |
$$ | O X X O O X O X X . O . O . O O . . 1 |
$$ | . O O . . X X O . X . X b . O X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X X X 2 |
$$ | . . X O . X O X X X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If Black cuts at point a, G9, White might have trouble making eyes for the big group so White will have to take off the captured stones. Might make a difference.
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Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)

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Best of 5! Best of 5! Best of 7!!!!11oneeleveneleventyonebilbobagins
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Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)

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fwiffo wrote:Best of 5! Best of 5! Best of 7!!!!11oneeleveneleventyonebilbobagins


I love this. I like to watch games, of all sorts. When I find a good series between two players, I always want them to continue playing more and more. This happens quite often on KGS. It also happens when I find some fun SC2 commentary with great players.
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Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)

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You're both great players, and I hope one day I will have clashes as epic as this...
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Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)

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gowan wrote:At this point in the game it is Black's move:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=6, B=10
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . O X . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . |
$$ | X X O O . . . O O X . . X . . X X O . |
$$ | O O O . . O . . O O X X X O X O X O . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . X O . . . O O O O . |
$$ | . X X O O X X X O O . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . X . . . . . O O O O X |
$$ | . . X . X O . X . X . . . . X O O X . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X . X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O O a X X O . X X X . . . X . |
$$ | . X O . O X O O O . O . O . . . O 3 . |
$$ | O X X O O X O X X . O . O . O O . . 1 |
$$ | . O O . . X X O . X . X B . O X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X X X 2 |
$$ | . . X O . X O X X X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If Black cuts at point a, G9, White might have trouble making eyes for the big group so White will have to take off the captured stones. Might make a difference.


Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=6, B=10
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . O X . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . |
$$ | X X O O . . . O O X . . X . . X X O . |
$$ | O O O . . O . . O O X X X O X O X O . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . X O . . . O O O O . |
$$ | . X X O O X X X O O . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . X . . . . . O O O O X |
$$ | . . X . X O . X . X . . . 9 X O O X . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X . X a . . . 7 X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O O 4 X X O . X X X 8 . . X . |
$$ | . X O . O X O O O 5 O . O . . 0 O 3 . |
$$ | O X X O O X O X X . O . O . O O . . 1 |
$$ | . O O . . X X O . X . X 6 . O X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X X X 2 |
$$ | . . X O . X O X X X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i thought about that also... i will have to give him penuki in sente and also have to expose my weakness at 'a'.
making him take my 6 stone(3point) is simply not enough to win. at the end i was trying my best to twist the sequence to find a way to win. i knew i was losing toomuch. penuki in the middle would have made the board too simple for him to finish.

edit: but now i am thinking...this might have lured him in. and things get more complicated. :)
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=6, B=10
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . O X . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . |
$$ | X X O O . . . O O X . . X . . X X O . |
$$ | O O O . . O . . O O X X X O X O X O . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . X O . . . O O O O . |
$$ | . X X O O X X X O O . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . X . . . . . O O O O X |
$$ | . . X . X O . X . X . . . . X O O X . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X . X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . X X O . X X X . . . X . |
$$ | 1 X O . O X O O O . O . O . . . O O . |
$$ | O X X O O X O X X . O . O . O O . . O |
$$ | . O O . . X X O . X . X . . O X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X X X X |
$$ | . . X O . X O X X X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)

Post by schultz »

Thanks for the great game(s) guys. It has been a blast to follow.

And I would never complain about seeing more. ;)
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Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)

Post by Horibe »

Joaz Banbeck wrote:
Kirby wrote:Bravo. It's a pity that you two won't play another.


It's a pity that they won't write more.


Joaz, you never miss a chance to complain about this issue.

You of course have a point, from a learning point of view, more comments and diagrams are helpful.

But from an entertainment point of view, more comments and diagrams slow the game down and can bog it down and make for less excitement.

More importantly, from a true Malkovich point of view, Violence and Magicwand truly show how strong, but not (no offense) really (like AGA 7dan) strong players actually think. They don't compose detailed diagrams in their heads and explore unlikely variations.

Instead the see a move and think "What is he thinking? - Lets see you get out this!"

It may not be as helpful, but it is entertaining, and I prefer my Malkovich straight, no filter.
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