45. emeraldemon (3k) vs. tj86430 (7k)

emeraldemon · Post by **emeraldemon** » Tue Aug 17, 2010 11:12 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . O O . O X X . . O X . X X . | $$ | . . . , O X X X . X O . . X . X O O . | $$ | . . O . W . . O X . . . . X . O . O . | $$ | . . . O X X . . . . X X . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . O O X O . . . . . O . O . . O O | $$ | . . . X X O X X . . . . . . . . X X O | $$ | . . X . O O O X . . . X . O O . . . X | $$ | . . . , O X X X . , . . . . X X . X . | $$ | . . O . X O O X . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . , . . O X . , . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . X . . X X X O O O . | $$ | . . . . O . X . . . . X O O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Ok, I spent a while trying to read the game to the end:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$W $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . O O . O X X . . O X . X X . | $$ | . . . , O X X X 3 X O . . X . X O O . | $$ | . . O . 1 2 . O X . . . 0 X . O . O . | $$ | . . . O X X 4 . . . X X 9 . . O O . . | $$ | . . . O O X O . . . 8 7 O . O . . O O | $$ | . . . X X O X X . . . . . . . . X X O | $$ | . . X . O O O X . . . X . O O . . . X | $$ | . . . , O X X X . , . . . 5 X X . X . | $$ | . . O . X O O X . . . . X 6 . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . , . . O X . , . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . X . . X X X O O O . | $$ | . . . . O . X . . . . X O O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . 0 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . . 8 | $$ | . . . O . O O . O X X . . O X . X X 7 | $$ | . . . , O X X X O X O . . X . X O O 9 | $$ | . . O . O X . O X . . . X X . O . O . | $$ | . . . O X X X . . . X X O . . O O . . | $$ | . . . O O X O . . . X O O . O . . O O | $$ | . . . X X O X X . . 2 1 . . . . X X O | $$ | . . X . O O O X . . . X 3 O O . . . X | $$ | . . . , O X X X . , . . 4 O X X . X . | $$ | . . O . X O O X . . . . X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . , . . O X . , . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . X . . X X X O O O . | $$ | . . . . O . X . . . 6 X O O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . . X | $$ | . . . O . O O 0 O X X . . O X . X X O | $$ | . . . , O X X X O X O . . X . X O O O | $$ | . . O . O X . O X . . . X X 6 O . O . | $$ | . . . O X X X . . . X X O 4 . O O . . | $$ | . . . O O X O . . . X O O 5 O . . O O | $$ | . . . X X O X X . . X O . . . 3 X X O | $$ | . . X . O O O X . . . X O O O 1 2 . X | $$ | . . . , O X X X . , . . X O X X . X . | $$ | . . O . X O O X . . . . X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X . 8 | $$ | . . O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X 7 | $$ | . . . , . . O X . , . . . . . X X O 9 | $$ | . . . O . O X . . X . . X X X O O O . | $$ | . . . . O . X . . . X X O O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . 1 O O X X . . . . . . X | $$ | . . . O . O O X O X X . . O X . X X O | $$ | . . . , O X X X O X O . . X . X O O O | $$ | . . O . O X . O X . . . X X X O . O . | $$ | . . . O X X X . . . X X O X . O O . . | $$ | . . . O O X O . . . X O O O O . 8 O O | $$ | . . . X X O X X . . X O . . . O X X O | $$ | . . X . O O O X . . . X O O O O X . X | $$ | . . . , O X X X . , . . X O X X . X . | $$ | . . O . X O O X . . . . X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X . X | $$ | . . O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X O | $$ | . . . , . . O X . , . . . . . X X O O | $$ | . . . O . O X . . X . . X X X O O O . | $$ | . . . . O 4 X . . . X X O O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . 7 5 6 . . . 2 O 3 . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Final Result: W+2.5. Black didn't make that sente push, and I think it gave me the little edge I needed. It's a bit complicated, but I think all my next 10 moves are sente. Black can't deviate from the sequence above without losing points. It's a very close game, but I think I can protect those 2.5 points to the end.

The whole thing is a bit complex, but here's why my first two moves are sente:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . O O . O X X . . O X . X X . | $$ | . . . , O X X X 7 X O . . X . X O O . | $$ | . . O . 1 3 5 O X . . . . X . O . O . | $$ | . . . O X X 4 . . . X X . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . O O X O 6 . . . . O . O . . O O | $$ | . . . X X O X X . . . . . . . . X X O | $$ | . . X . O O O X . . . X 2 O O . . . X | $$ | . . . , O X X X . , . . . . X X . X . | $$ | . . O . X O O X . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . , . . O X . , . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . X . . X X X O O O . | $$ | . . . . O . X . . . . X O O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . O O 5 O X X . . O X . X X . | $$ | . . . , O X X X 1 X O . . X . X O O . | $$ | . . O . O X . O X . . . . X . O . O . | $$ | . . . O X X 3 4 . . X X . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . O O X O . . . . . O . O . . O O | $$ | . . . X X O X X . . . . . . . . X X O | $$ | . . X . O O O X . . . X 2 O O . . . X | $$ | . . . , O X X X . , . . . . X X . X . | $$ | . . O . X O O X . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . , . . O X . , . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . X . . X X X O O O . | $$ | . . . . O . X . . . . X O O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

tj86430 · Post by **tj86430** » Tue Aug 17, 2010 11:21 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . O O . O X X . . O X . X X . | $$ | . . . , O X X X . X O . . X . X O O . | $$ | . . O . O B . O X . . . . X . O . O . | $$ | . . . O X X . . . . X X . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . O O X O . . . . . O . O . . O O | $$ | . . . X X O X X . . . . . . . . X X O | $$ | . . X . O O O X . . . X . O O . . . X | $$ | . . . , O X X X . , . . . . X X . X . | $$ | . . O . X O O X . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . , . . O X . , . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . X . . X X X O O O . | $$ | . . . . O . X . . . . X O O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

emeraldemon · Post by **emeraldemon** » Tue Aug 17, 2010 2:30 pm

Well, I may as well put this out here. I don't expect you'll agree with this whole sequence, but just choose the point where I made a mistake and we'll continue from there

. If you do agree, the final result is W+2.5.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wc Suggestion 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . O O . O X X . . O X . X X . | $$ | . . . , O X X X 1 X O . . X . X O O . | $$ | . . O . O X . O X . . . 8 X . O . O . | $$ | . . . O X X 2 . . . X X 7 . . O O . . | $$ | . . . O O X O . . . 6 5 O . O . . O O | $$ | . . . X X O X X . . 0 9 . . . . X X O | $$ | . . X . O O O X . . . X . O O . . . X | $$ | . . . , O X X X . , . . . 3 X X . X . | $$ | . . O . X O O X . . . . X 4 . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . , . . O X . , . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . X . . X X X O O O . | $$ | . . . . O . X . . . . X O O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wc Suggestion 2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . 8 6 | $$ | . . . O . O O . O X X . . O X . X X 5 | $$ | . . . , O X X X O X O . . X . X O O 7 | $$ | . . O . O X . O X . . . X X . O . O . | $$ | . . . O X X X . . . X X O . . O O . . | $$ | . . . O O X O . . . X O O . O . . O O | $$ | . . . X X O X X . . X O . . . . X X O | $$ | . . X . O O O X . . . X 3 O O 9 0 . X | $$ | . . . , O X X X . , . . 4 O X X . X . | $$ | . . O . X O O X . . . . X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . , . . O X . , . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . X . . X X X O O O . | $$ | . . . . O . X . . . 2 X O O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wc Suggestion 4 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . 9 O O X X . . . . . X X | $$ | . . . O . O O 8 O X X . . O X . X X O | $$ | . . . , O X X X O X O . . X . X O O O | $$ | . . O . O X . O X . . . X X 4 O . O . | $$ | . . . O X X X . . . X X O 2 . O O . . | $$ | . . . O O X O . . . X O O 3 O . . O O | $$ | . . . X X O X X . . X O . . . 1 X X O | $$ | . . X . O O O X . . . X O O O O X . X | $$ | . . . , O X X X . , . . X O X X . X . | $$ | . . O . X O O X . . . . X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X . 6 | $$ | . . O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X 5 | $$ | . . . , . . O X . , . . . . . X X O 7 | $$ | . . . O . O X . . X . . X X X O O O . | $$ | . . . . O . X . . . X X O O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . 0 O . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wc Last part $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O O O X X . . . . . X X | $$ | . . . O . O O X O X X . . O X . X X O | $$ | . . . , O X X X O X O . . X . X O O O | $$ | . . O . O X . O X . . . X X X O . O . | $$ | . . . O X X X . . . X X O X . O O . . | $$ | . . . O O X O . . . X O O O O . 6 O O | $$ | . . . X X O X X . . X O . . . O X X O | $$ | . . X . O O O X . . . X O O O O X . X | $$ | . . . , O X X X . , . . X O X X . X . | $$ | . . O . X O O X . . . . X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X . X | $$ | . . O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X O | $$ | . . . , . . O X . , . . . . . X X O O | $$ | . . . O . O X . . X . . X X X O O O . | $$ | . . . . O 2 X . . . X X O O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . 5 3 4 . . . X O 1 . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

tj86430 · Post by **tj86430** » Tue Aug 17, 2010 10:55 pm

I can think of a couple of alternative sequences, but I don't think I find any that would lead to me winning, so I guess I may as well agree.

Thank you for an interesting game, and congratulations on the win.

explo · Post by **explo** » Wed Aug 18, 2010 5:37 am

tj86430 · Post by **tj86430** » Wed Aug 18, 2010 5:44 am

The game has ended, so there is no need to hide comments any more. I looked, and it seems that you are right, but OTOH white won anyway.

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Wed Aug 18, 2010 6:00 am

for the beginners who often miss easy endgames:

below sequence is 1.5 point better than what he had in mind.
it is simple but often missed by sdk players.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wc Suggestion 2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . X X | $$ | . . . O . O O . O X X . . O X . X X O | $$ | . . . , O X X X O X O . . X . X O O O | $$ | . . O . O X . O X . . . X X . O . O . | $$ | . . . O X X X . . . X X O . . O O . . | $$ | . . . O O X O . . . X O O . O . . O O | $$ | . . . X X O X X . . X O . . . . X X O | $$ | . . X . O O O X . . . X O O O O X . X | $$ | . . . , O X X X . , . . X O X X . X . | $$ | . . O . X O O X . . . . X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . , . . O X . , . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . X . . X X X O O O . | $$ | . . . . O . X . . . 4 X O O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 1 2 3 . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

emeraldemon · Post by **emeraldemon** » Wed Aug 18, 2010 7:24 am

Thanks for the game! Some thoughts abut the game, in particular mistakes:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$c White's Bad Opening $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . b . , O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . W . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . c . X . . . a . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I think the above move was a mistake for white. In retrospect I wish I had played something like a or b (as susggested by Dusk Eagle) or maybe c. I think this was a bad strategy and put me behind.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm1 Bad for Black $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . O B . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , O . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This move is pretty obviously a mistake for black, letting me off too easily. Daniel the Smith made a good suggestion for a better sequence:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 Much Better $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . 5 O 3 . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , O . . X 2 X 1 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 4 O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm1 Bad for White $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . a . . . . O X . X X . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , O . . X . X O O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X X . . . | $$ | . . W . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . X X X O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I think this was also a big mistake for W. I should have just protected my stone with a. In my comments I say "I can't stand the idea of passively defending", but really I think black is helping white to make points, so I should just accept. I was close to evening out before, but now I fall behind again.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 Bad for Black $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . O X . X X . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , O . . X . X O O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . | $$ | . . . . 1 3 . . . . X . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . 2 O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . O O . . . . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X X . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . X X X O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This was a big mistake for b. compare to Harleqin's sequence:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 Much Better $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . O X . X X . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , O . . X . X O O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . | $$ | . 7 5 3 1 . . . . . X . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . 4 2 O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 6 X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . O O . . . . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X X . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . X X X O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

After this white gets a huge side and it's enough to be competitive again. I think black followed white around a bit too much in the endgame. Consider this sequence I predicted:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 Endgame $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O 2 O O . O X X . . O X . X X . | $$ | . . 4 3 1 X . . . X O . . X . X O O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . | $$ | . . . O X X . . . . X B . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . O . O . . O O | $$ | . . . X X O X . . . . . . . . . X X O | $$ | . . X . O O 8 9 . . . X . O O . . . X | $$ | . . . , O X X X . , . . . 6 X X . X . | $$ | . . O . X O O X . . . . X 7 . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . , . . O X . , . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . . O . W X . . X . . X X X O O O . | $$ | . . . . O . 5 . . . . X O O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 0 . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

In the actual game black just blocked at 5, but the top is sente. I can't trade that stone on the bottom for the top: I have to block I think. that's quite a few points difference given the sente pushes I get there later. But then, I missed the endgame moves suggested by Magicwand and explo, so probably my endgame also needs work!

Thanks again tj86430 for the fun game, and thanks to everyone who commented.

tj86430 · Post by **tj86430** » Wed Aug 18, 2010 10:51 am

emeraldemon wrote: Thanks again tj86430 for the fun game, and thanks to everyone who commented.

Likewise, both to you and for comments.

My teacher (Antti Törmänen, EGF 6 dan) will go through the game on our next session (some time next week), and has promised to give some comments in english I can post here.

Dusk Eagle · Post by **Dusk Eagle** » Wed Aug 18, 2010 3:06 pm

Magicwand, can't white play like this instead?

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . X X | $$ | . . . O . O O . O X X . . O X . X X O | $$ | . . . , O X X X O X O . . X . X O O O | $$ | . . O . O X . O X . . . X X . O . O . | $$ | . . . O X X X . . . X X O . . O O . . | $$ | . . . O O X O . . . X O O . O . . O O | $$ | . . . X X O X X . . X O . . . . X X O | $$ | . . X . O O O X . . . X O O O O X . X | $$ | . . . , O X X X . , . . X O X X . X . | $$ | . . O . X O O X . . . . X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . O O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . , . . O X . , . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . X . . X X X O O O . | $$ | . . . . O . X . . . 3 X O O O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 1 2 . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Harleqin · Post by **Harleqin** » Wed Aug 18, 2010 3:51 pm

I think the correct way is to draw back first, then throw in later. Black's mistake in the game was not to throw in before blocking later.

tj86430 · Post by **tj86430** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 1:45 am

The comments from Antti Törmänen, EGF 6d:

emeraldemon · Post by **emeraldemon** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 6:53 pm

thanks for getting it reviewed! It seems like we found most of the big things he mentioned, but there were a few good points there I hadn't seen, especially handling the shape on the upper left in the beginning.

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