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 Post subject: Re: 36. walleye (2k) vs. Phelan (7k)
Post #81 Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 8:45 am 
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For instance

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . X . X a . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O X . . X . X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O O O . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . 6 X O X . O . O . X . X . |
$$ | . . X . . O 5 X O 8 . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O 4 3 X . 1 X . 2 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I might also play at a instead of :w8: . I think Black has a weakness there.


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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . X . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . X . X a . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O X . . X . X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O O O . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . X O X . O . O . X . X . |
$$ | . . X 4 . O . X O . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . 3 X . 1 X . 2 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


You need to consider at least this :w4:. Your :w4: has no effect on the corner at all.

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 Post subject: Re: 36. walleye (2k) vs. Phelan (7k)
Post #82 Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 6:11 am 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . X . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . X . X . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O X . . X . X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O O O . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . X O X . O . O . X . X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X O . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . B X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Don't have much time to comment, I'm playing this to live here and because White still has to play to save the right side group.

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Post #83 Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 10:14 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . X . X . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O X . . X . X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O O O . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . X O X . O . O . X . X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X O . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . W X . X X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


So I was thinking of playing at M2 but that would make life easy for Black. Moreover, I will have to take gote to make life for my own group. That is not good enough.

The move I decided to play is risky but it makes life difficult for Black. Black cannot make an eye at H2.

I have a feeling it will turn into a capturing race. His corner will probably suffer too.

Finally, Black might make a mistake in the center after I play at a. If he falters there, things will be easy for me.

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$$ | . . . X O . . X O X . O . O . X . X . |
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$$ | . . . O . W X . X X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #84 Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 3:52 am 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . O X O O O . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . X O X . O . O . X . X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X O . B . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . X X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
This should help me get another eye, while making his harder to make.

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Post #85 Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 4:51 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . X . . X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . X . X . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O X . . X . X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O O O . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . X O X . O . O . X . X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X O . X W . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . X X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I first thought of playing :w1:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . X . . X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . X . X . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O X . . X . X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O O O . . 4 O O . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . X O X . O 6 O 5 X . X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X O . X 2 . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . X X . 1 3 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

but the cut worried me a little.

I can of course prevent the cut this way
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . X . . X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . X . X . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O X . . X . X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O O O . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . X O X . O . O . X . X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X O . X 2 3 O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . X X . 1 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

but my shape here becomes really awful.

I could have played like this
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . X . . X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . X . X . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O X . . X . X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O O O . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . X O X . O . O . X . X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X O . X . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . X X . 2 . 1 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

which is what could have happened if Black had played at :b2: directly.

But I think my move in the game is better.
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[go]$$Wc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . X . . X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . X . X . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O X . . X . X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O O O . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . X O X . O . O . X . X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X O 5 X 1 . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . X X . 2 3 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This is what may happen next. Black's lacking two eyes.


I am really curious to find out what Phelan was thinking about this whole situation. He is playing as if he knows he can make two eyes or win the capturing race.

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