63. Kerby (2k) vs. Numsgil (6k)

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[go]$$Bcm61 Move 61 Captures: W: 2 B: 1
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$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O . X . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O . . , . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . 1 X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X O , X . . O . , . . . O O , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Alright, I'll play as if it's an even game (ie: I won't turtle up trying to coast to a victory from reverse komi), and we'll see where the score ends up.

Strategy and Thoughts
Hmm, this is more passive for white than I thought he'd go. Doesn't really seem to exploit the aji of his light stones at all. I have the feeling that Kerby and I have similar play styles that try to avoid complicated fighting. Or any fighting really. We both shore up strong positions, waiting for the opponent to make a mistake and jump into it with lots of support.


Tactics and Variations
Only two moves worth considering. The move I made is gote and basically ends the sequence. This was the other line of play to think about. There's enough aji in the position that I definitely prefer the solid connection, and physically grabbing corner territory more or less solidly.

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[go]$$Bc
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$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ X . . . X . . X . . |
$$ , . . . . X X O . . |
$$ X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ . . . . . 1 4 X 6 . |
$$ . . . . . 5 X O . . |
$$ . . . . . 2 3 O . . |
$$ . . . X X 7 O . . . |
$$ , . . X O O , . . . |[/go]
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Re: 63. Kerby (2k) vs. Numsgil (6k)

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Sounds like a good plan.

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[go]$$Wcm62 Move 62 Captures: W: 2 B: 1
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$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O . X . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O . . , . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X O , X . . O . , . . . O O , 1 . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


As per plan, still deciding where I want to play after this corner.
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Re: 63. Kerby (2k) vs. Numsgil (6k)

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[go]$$Bcm63 Move 63 Captures: W: 2 B: 1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O . X . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O . . , . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X O , X . . O . , . . . O O , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O . O X 1 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Strategy and Thoughts
This is a huge end game move. I thought it was gote for both sides, though, so I wasn't thinking about it until after all the attackable groups were attacked. But I'm not sure if I can live if white gets another move in the area. I'm not sure I would die either, necessarily. I give it 70/30 to dying, though, so it's not worth the risk, and suddenly the end game move is a sente mid game move for white.


Tactics and Variations
Erg, this was a huge move for me:
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[go]$$Bc
$$ , . . X O O , . . . |
$$ . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . 2 . . |
$$ . . . . . . O 1 . . |
$$ , . . . O O , 3 . . |
$$ . . . O . O X . . . |
$$ . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ------------------[/go]


...

Okay, some reading:

This way is a ko I believe. White takes first.

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[go]$$Wc
$$ , . . X O O , . . . |
$$ . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ , . . . O O , O 3 . |
$$ . . . O . O X 1 2 5 |
$$ . . . . O X . X . 6 |
$$ . . . . . . X . 4 . |
$$ ------------------[/go]


Black lives this way, I believe.
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[go]$$Wc
$$ , . . X O O , . . . |
$$ . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ , . . . O O , O . . |
$$ . . . O . O X 5 2 6 |
$$ . . . . O X . X 1 3 |
$$ . . . . . . X . 4 . |
$$ ------------------[/go]


Black is dead, I think.
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[go]$$Wc
$$ , . . X O O , . . . |
$$ . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . O . 5 . |
$$ , . . . O O , O 4 . |
$$ . . . O . O X 1 2 . |
$$ . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ . . . . . . X . 3 . |
$$ ------------------[/go]


If I make a move in the area first, I can live, because I can force my ponnukki into an eye.
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[go]$$Bc
$$ , . . X O O , . . . |
$$ . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ , . . . O O , O 4 . |
$$ . . . O . O X 1 2 . |
$$ . . . . O X . X 3 . |
$$ . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ------------------[/go]


If I try to be more aggressive with my defense, let's see what sort of damage white can wreak.

I'm fine this way:

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[go]$$Bc
$$ , . . X O O , . . . |
$$ . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . O . 4 . |
$$ , . . . O O , O 1 . |
$$ . . . O . O X 2 3 . |
$$ . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ . . . . . . X . 5 . |
$$ ------------------[/go]


If I play it safe this way, I can end in sente if white plays automatically and captures the stone with 6 (since it doesn't threaten to kill or make life, it's just an endgame move). But if I assume that he's at least as good as I am, this'll end in gote and I won't gain anything over a more straightforward line of play, and I'll introduce uncertainty depending on what white can read out that I can't.
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[go]$$Bc
$$ , . . X O O , . . . |
$$ . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . O . 4 . |
$$ , . . . O O , O 1 . |
$$ . . . O . O X 3 2 6 |
$$ . . . . O X . X 5 . |
$$ . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ------------------[/go]


I could trade the corner to live on the side maybe. But I'm not sure I could do it (I'd say 60/40 in favor of living on the side) and I'm not sure it would be worth more points. (Losing the corner is maybe 20 points).
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[go]$$Bc
$$ , . . X O O , . . . |
$$ . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . 5 . . |
$$ . . . . . . O . 3 . |
$$ , . . . O O , O 1 . |
$$ . . . O . O X 4 2 . |
$$ . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ------------------[/go]


...

So final conclusion: this is probably the best sequence as far as profit vs. risk. Just simply defend the eye. White will almost certainly take sente and defend the bottom moyo I've been eying an attack on.

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[go]$$Bc
$$ , . . X O O , . . . |
$$ . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ , . . . O O , O . . |
$$ . . . O . O X 1 . . |
$$ . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ------------------[/go]
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Re: 63. Kerby (2k) vs. Numsgil (6k)

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[go]$$Wcm64 Move 64 Captures: W: 2 B: 1
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$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O . X . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O . . , . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X O , X . . O . 1 . . . O O , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If I descend here:
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[go]$$Bcm1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O . X . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O . . , . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X O , X . . O . , . . . O O , O 2 . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O . O X 1 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X a . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Then I only threaten to kill his group with ko starting at "a" if he ignores(which he very well may). The problem is the point of the game we are at. Even if I can win this ko, I would have to give Nums 2 moves in a row. I don't feel at this point in the game the ko is worth 2 potentially large moves. Its not an easy ko to win as he has 1 additional internal ko threat.

I have decided to cover my last weak group. If he gets a chance to attack it it would be very painful for me after this I can start to reduce nums as much as possible.
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[go]$$Bcm65 Move 65 Captures: W: 2 B: 1
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$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O . X . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O . . , . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O 1 . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X O , X . . O . O . . . O O , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Scoring and Counting
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[go]$$
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . b . . . b . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X b . . . b . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | b X b . . b . O . X . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O . . b . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | w w O O O O w . . X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . w O . b . . . . X X b b |
$$ | . . . . . . w . . . . b . . . X O w w |
$$ | . . . . . w . . . . . . b . b . O . . |
$$ | . . . . w . . . . . . . X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . w . . . d a m e . X w . . . . . |
$$ | . . . w . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . O . w . . . . . . . X . w . . . . . |
$$ | O . O . . . . . . . . . . w . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . w . O . . . |
$$ | b X O , X . . O w O w w w O O , O w w |
$$ | . . X . b . . w . . . . O . O X X b b |
$$ | . . . . b . . w . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . b . . w . . . . . w . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Same trick. Let's count moyo's like they're solid territory to see if white is asking for too much (still rounding to multiples of 5).

Black:

Top Right: ~50 points
Top Left: ~10 points
Bottom Left: ~15 points
Bottom Right: ~5 points (actually it's like 7, which is weird to round to 5 but let's err conservatively I guess).

White:
Left: ~35 points
Bottom: ~15 points
Right: ~35 points

So the score is currently something like: Black 80 White 85. We can add a 5 point komi to white if we really want to treat this as an even game.

Which puts my 10 points behind or so, but I have sente. More reasonable than last time, certainly. Right on the fence between "I'm behind" and "it's an even game", especially with my score counting being so loose. So I'm not really sure if I need to invade, or if I can reasonably get away with reductions and strong defense of my moyo on top.


Strategy and Thoughts
Defending the bottom moyo is what I would have done, so good for him. I think playing high is a potential mistake as it leaves behind some significant aji.

Based on the score, I'm really on the fence about invading or not. I'm not good at invading (in that I can't read out what's going to happen before it happens since it involves peculiar play by either side for the first half dozen moves or so), so if I can win without playing an invasion inside a white moyo I'll be happy.

Anyway, these are the big points on the board. I'll examine each a bit more in depth in different tactics sections below:

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[go]$$Wcm64 Move 64 Captures: W: 2 B: 1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O . X . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O . . , . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O c . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . d . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . O . . e . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . b . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X O , X . . O . O . . . O O , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . a . . . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


'a' is an end game tesuji. When it's on teh second line it's big. When it's on the third line it's less common, but huge. The hard part is that if white blocks on the outside I have to be able to exploit enough aji to live with it.

'b' is a weak point (maybe?) of this white formation. There's so much aji with my stone at Q8, and white is so high (almost all stones on the 4th line or above), that living inside is a distinct possibility. I'd say 40% chance that I could live inside. And I think 'b' is how to start that sequence. The question becomes: if I fail, does white gain an appalling amount of thickness he can use to counterattack? I'm pretty strong on all sides, so I don't think so.

'c' These two stones are in contact, and they both really urgently want to walk. Whoever walks first changes the score in this area by a significant amount, since these are boundary stones between two moyos. Actually now that I'm building a moyo on the top, this is a really urgent move.

'd' A basic reduction against the white moyo.

'e' A reduction from the other side. Not terribly interesting, though, so I'm not going to explore it.


Tactics and Variations 'a'
This is what I want to be able to get away with
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[go]$$Bc
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X O , X . . O . O . . . O O , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . 3 1 2 . . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If white blocks on the other side, I don't think it works out well for him. This is the sort of thing that branches very quickly, and the reading is very difficult. But I think it's a reasonable risk/reward ratio.
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[go]$$Bc
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . 8 6 . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X O . X . 7 O 5 O . . . O O , O . . |
$$ | . . X . b 0 2 1 3 4 . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . c d a 9 f g . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . e . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Tactics and Variations 'b'
Maybe something like this?

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[go]$$Bc
$$ -------------------
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ X . . . X . . X . . |
$$ , . . . . X X O . . |
$$ X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ . . . X X . O . . . |
$$ , . . X O O , . . . |
$$ . . . X . . . 6 4 . |
$$ . . . . O O X . 5 . |
$$ . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . 1 3 . |
$$ . . . . . . O 7 2 . |
$$ O . . . O O 9 O 8 . |
$$ . . . O . O X X . . |
$$ . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ -------------------[/go]


Tactics and Variations 'c'
I think I can get away with this in sente. It's big, too.
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O . X . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O . . , . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O 1 . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O . . . |[/go]


White does not want to ignore.
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O . X . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O . . , . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 4 O 1 . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O . . . |[/go]


White wants this point, too. It enlarges the wall on this side by quite a bit.
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O . X . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O . . , . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . X 2 . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O 1 . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O . . . |[/go]


Tactics and Variations 'd'
Just outside the moyo boundary. Also near the middle of the line, which is the weakest part. Even after white defends I'm not in danger so I get to make this move in sente.
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[go]$$Bc
$$ {LN J14 D10}
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O . X . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O . . , . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . 2 . 1 . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X O , X . . O . O . . . O O , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Tactics and Variations Conclusion
So this is the actual sequence I'm shooting for. Get all the sente sequences I can, starting with the one that feels urgent, then take the huge end game point in gote.

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[go]$$Bc
$$ {LN J13 D10}
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O . X . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O . . , . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O 1 . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . 6 4 . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . 5 3 . . . . . X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X O , X . . O . O . . . O O , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . 9 7 8 . . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 63. Kerby (2k) vs. Numsgil (6k)

Post by Kirby »

Numsgil wrote:
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[go]$$Bcm65 Move 65 Captures: W: 2 B: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O . X . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O . . , . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O 1 . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X O , X . . O . O . . . O O , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Scoring and Counting
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[go]$$
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . b . . . b . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X b . . . b . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | b X b . . b . O . X . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O . . b . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | w w O O O O w . . X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . w O . b . . . . X X b b |
$$ | . . . . . . w . . . . b . . . X O w w |
$$ | . . . . . w . . . . . . b . b . O . . |
$$ | . . . . w . . . . . . . X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . w . . . d a m e . X w . . . . . |
$$ | . . . w . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . O . w . . . . . . . X . w . . . . . |
$$ | O . O . . . . . . . . . . w . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . w . O . . . |
$$ | b X O , X . . O w O w w w O O , O w w |
$$ | . . X . b . . w . . . . O . O X X b b |
$$ | . . . . b . . w . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . b . . w . . . . . w . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Same trick. Let's count moyo's like they're solid territory to see if white is asking for too much (still rounding to multiples of 5).

Black:

Top Right: ~50 points
Top Left: ~10 points
Bottom Left: ~15 points
Bottom Right: ~5 points (actually it's like 7, which is weird to round to 5 but let's err conservatively I guess).

White:
Left: ~35 points
Bottom: ~15 points
Right: ~35 points

So the score is currently something like: Black 80 White 85. We can add a 5 point komi to white if we really want to treat this as an even game.

Which puts my 10 points behind or so, but I have sente. More reasonable than last time, certainly. Right on the fence between "I'm behind" and "it's an even game", especially with my score counting being so loose. So I'm not really sure if I need to invade, or if I can reasonably get away with reductions and strong defense of my moyo on top.


Strategy and Thoughts
Defending the bottom moyo is what I would have done, so good for him. I think playing high is a potential mistake as it leaves behind some significant aji.

Based on the score, I'm really on the fence about invading or not. I'm not good at invading (in that I can't read out what's going to happen before it happens since it involves peculiar play by either side for the first half dozen moves or so), so if I can win without playing an invasion inside a white moyo I'll be happy.

Anyway, these are the big points on the board. I'll examine each a bit more in depth in different tactics sections below:

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[go]$$Wcm64 Move 64 Captures: W: 2 B: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O . X . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O . . , . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O c . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . d . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . O . . e . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . b . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X O , X . . O . O . . . O O , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . a . . . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


'a' is an end game tesuji. When it's on teh second line it's big. When it's on the third line it's less common, but huge. The hard part is that if white blocks on the outside I have to be able to exploit enough aji to live with it.

'b' is a weak point (maybe?) of this white formation. There's so much aji with my stone at Q8, and white is so high (almost all stones on the 4th line or above), that living inside is a distinct possibility. I'd say 40% chance that I could live inside. And I think 'b' is how to start that sequence. The question becomes: if I fail, does white gain an appalling amount of thickness he can use to counterattack? I'm pretty strong on all sides, so I don't think so.

'c' These two stones are in contact, and they both really urgently want to walk. Whoever walks first changes the score in this area by a significant amount, since these are boundary stones between two moyos. Actually now that I'm building a moyo on the top, this is a really urgent move.

'd' A basic reduction against the white moyo.

'e' A reduction from the other side. Not terribly interesting, though, so I'm not going to explore it.


Tactics and Variations 'a'
This is what I want to be able to get away with
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[go]$$Bc
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X O , X . . O . O . . . O O , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . 3 1 2 . . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If white blocks on the other side, I don't think it works out well for him. This is the sort of thing that branches very quickly, and the reading is very difficult. But I think it's a reasonable risk/reward ratio.
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[go]$$Bc
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . 8 6 . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X O . X . 7 O 5 O . . . O O , O . . |
$$ | . . X . b 0 2 1 3 4 . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . c d a 9 f g . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . e . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Tactics and Variations 'b'
Maybe something like this?

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[go]$$Bc
$$ -------------------
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ X . . . X . . X . . |
$$ , . . . . X X O . . |
$$ X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ . . . X X . O . . . |
$$ , . . X O O , . . . |
$$ . . . X . . . 6 4 . |
$$ . . . . O O X . 5 . |
$$ . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . 1 3 . |
$$ . . . . . . O 7 2 . |
$$ O . . . O O 9 O 8 . |
$$ . . . O . O X X . . |
$$ . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ -------------------[/go]


Tactics and Variations 'c'
I think I can get away with this in sente. It's big, too.
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O . X . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O . . , . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O 1 . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O . . . |[/go]


White does not want to ignore.
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O . X . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O . . , . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 4 O 1 . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O . . . |[/go]


White wants this point, too. It enlarges the wall on this side by quite a bit.
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O . X . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O . . , . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . X 2 . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O 1 . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O . . . |[/go]


Tactics and Variations 'd'
Just outside the moyo boundary. Also near the middle of the line, which is the weakest part. Even after white defends I'm not in danger so I get to make this move in sente.
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[go]$$Bc
$$ {LN J14 D10}
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O . X . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O . . , . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . 2 . 1 . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X O , X . . O . O . . . O O , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Tactics and Variations Conclusion
So this is the actual sequence I'm shooting for. Get all the sente sequences I can, starting with the one that feels urgent, then take the huge end game point in gote.

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[go]$$Bc
$$ {LN J13 D10}
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O . X . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O . . , . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O 1 . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . 6 4 . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . 5 3 . . . . . X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X O , X . . O . O . . . O O , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . 9 7 8 . . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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Re: 63. Kerby (2k) vs. Numsgil (6k)

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Kirby wrote:Wow...


Just that there was a lot of stuff there? Or if something looks off, or I'm missing something obvious? Or just commenting that I'm overthinking things?

If it's not appropriate for me to hear whatever you're thinking right now in the middle of the game, dump it in some hide quotes and I'll read it after the game. This last post all felt pretty nice as far as depth, breadth, thought, and fundamentals, so if it's not I'd really like to know :)
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Re: 63. Kerby (2k) vs. Numsgil (6k)

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[go]$$Wcm66 Move 66 Captures: W: 2 B: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O . X . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O . . , . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X O , X . . O . O . . . O O , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


A good choice by Nums, He really solidified his territory on the upper right. I choose to respond here as I would like to start solidifying the left side. I am not afraid of the cut it would go like this if he tried which would be horrible for him:

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . 8 O . X . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O 6 7 , . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . O O O O 2 4 5 X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 3 9 O X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X O , X . . O . O . . . O O , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . X O 4 X 5 . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X X X 1 X O 2 3 . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . O O O O X X O X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O O X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X O , X . . O . O . . . O O , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If I don't respond locally here He will later get this move in sente which would suck for me hence my response:

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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O . X . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O . . , . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X O , X . . O . O . . . O O , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I would like to get the following move as it will allow me to invade at "a" because the cut at "b" will not work for Nums:
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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O . X . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O . . , . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . X . . . . . O . 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . X X 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . X O 3 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . a . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O b . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X O , X . . O . O . . . O O , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I don't feel it would be worth just starting at "a" and breaking in to his moyo at the expense of losing out on the side perhaps if I had a stronger attack on his 5 floating stones in the middle:
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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O . X . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O . . , . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . 9 . X O 8 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 2 O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X 3 O 4 6 . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X O O , 5 7 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X O , X . . O . O . . . O O , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I am a bit nervous after seeing the real Kirby wow Nums. I am guessing he is planning some sort of invasion on the left, but I don't see it. I am eager to see what Nums has in store for me.
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Re: 63. Kerby (2k) vs. Numsgil (6k)

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[go]$$Bcm67 Move 67 Captures: W: 2 B: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O . X . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O . . , . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 1 . . . . . X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X O , X . . O . O . . . O O , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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Continuing from my last diagram, this is just trying to be a reduction against white's moyo. If I do this right it should end in sente.
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Re: 63. Kerby (2k) vs. Numsgil (6k)

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Numsgil wrote:
Kirby wrote:Wow...


Just that there was a lot of stuff there? Or if something looks off, or I'm missing something obvious? Or just commenting that I'm overthinking things?

If it's not appropriate for me to hear whatever you're thinking right now in the middle of the game, dump it in some hide quotes and I'll read it after the game. This last post all felt pretty nice as far as depth, breadth, thought, and fundamentals, so if it's not I'd really like to know :)


@Numsgil
I just meant that you had a lot of "tactics" tags :)
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@Kirby
Let me know if it's safe to read your reply. I won't open it unless you tell me it's aright.
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Re: 63. Kerby (2k) vs. Numsgil (6k)

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Numsgil: Yes, you can.
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:P Yes, I have a lot of tags. I'm still trying to figure out a good way to get a good brain dump without it just being way too much information or not nearly enough.
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Re: 63. Kerby (2k) vs. Numsgil (6k)

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:P Yes, I have a lot of tags. I'm still trying to figure out a good way to get a good brain dump without it just being way too much information or not nearly enough.


The way you are doing it is perfectly fine. I was just impressed.
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Re: 63. Kerby (2k) vs. Numsgil (6k)

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[go]$$Wcm68 Move 68 Captures: W: 2 B: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O . X . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O . . , . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . 1 . . . X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X O , X . . O . O . . . O O , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I don't feel Nums dares hop into my side without running his stone at least once. This gives me a preemptive invasions of a potential moyo Nums seems to be aiming for in the middle. I can solidify the side after.
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