Prokovich game

dfan · **#381**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm82 ACTUAL GAME: Move 82. Points from prisoners: B 2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O X X . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . X , X O . . O , O . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O O O O O . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . X O O X X X X . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . X X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X X O . . | $$ | . . . O . O O X . . X . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . O . X X O X . . O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . O X X . . O . X X O . X . . O . . | $$ | . . O . . . O . O O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Dusk Eagle · **#382**

My prediction:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O X X . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . X , X O . . O , O . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O O O O O . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . X O O X X X X . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . X X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . 2 . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O 1 . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X X O . . | $$ | . . . O a O O X . . X . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . O . X X O X . . O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . O X X . . O . X X O . X . . O . . | $$ | . . O . . . O . O O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This seems like the best way to deal with the aji at 'a'.

gaius · **#383**

gaius wrote:

(...) we can assume that it's an aji keshi area right now

.

So...

woops?

I don't really get this. Where is my reasoning going wrong?

dfan · **#384**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm83 ACTUAL GAME: Move 83. Points from prisoners: B 2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O X X 1 . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . X , X O . . O , O . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O O O O O . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . X O O X X X X . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . X X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X X O . . | $$ | . . . O . O O X . . X . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . O . X X O X . . O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . O X X . . O . X X O . X . . O . . | $$ | . . O . . . O . O O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Magicwand · **#385**

i was thinking that move..
what white played on move 82 is not necessary to answer as i suspected..
now i am pretty sure white didnt play as below..but it can be an intresting probe.
if black answer from inside..then it is a sucessful probe.
if he answer to capture...i can expect below diag which is not too bad.
just a thought.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm83 not an ACTUAL GAME: Move 83. Points from prisoners: B 2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . 8 3 2 5 . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O X X 1 . . . 4 X 7 . . . | $$ | . . X , X O . . O , O . . . 6 , X . . | $$ | . . . . X O . O . . . . 0 . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O O O O O . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . X O O X X X X . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . X X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X X O . . | $$ | . . . O . O O X . . X . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . O . X X O X . . O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . O X X . . O . X X O . X . . O . . | $$ | . . O . . . O . O O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Joaz Banbeck · **#386**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm83 My predicton $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O X X 1 . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . X , X O . . O , O . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O O O O O . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . X O O X X X X . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . X X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O 2 . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X X O . . | $$ | . . . O . O O X . . X . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . O . X X O X . . O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . O X X . . O . X X O . X . . O . . | $$ | . . O . . . O . O O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I don't understand :b83:

, but

as above looks huge.

Jordus · **#387**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm83 ACTUAL GAME: Move 83. Points from prisoners: B 2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O X X 1 . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . X , X O . . O , O . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O O O O O . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . X O O X X X X . a . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . X X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . b . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X X O . . | $$ | . . . O . O O X . . X . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . O . X X O X . . O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . O X X . . O . X X O . X . . O . . | $$ | . . O . . . O . O O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Maybe 84 at a or b?

Magicwand · **#388**

Joaz Banbeck wrote:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm83 My predicton $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O X X 1 . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . X , X O . . O , O . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O O O O O . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . X O O X X X X . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . X X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O 2 . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X X O . . | $$ | . . . O . O O X . . X . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . O . X X O X . . O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . O X X . . O . X X O . X . . O . . | $$ | . . O . . . O . O O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I don't understand :b83:

, but

as above looks huge.

black was able to tenuki because there isn't anything white can do there other than little dent which is probably ajikeshi.
in my opinion white have to stop black cutting that is why i proposed the probe before.

ethanb · **#389**

I agree with MW - I really liked the proposed 81 (at 83 here) earlier, so I assumed that with 82 white would make the hanging connection to block this. I'm having a hard time finding a good exchange now. I guess white's trying to attack the center dragon, but... it looks hard.

mitsun · **#390**

I think W should simply connect because 1) B push and cut would make large territory difference, 2) W connection leaves block at (a) so B still needs another move to make anything here, 3) the large b center group is not easy to attack. After W plays (b) I still do not see a serious attack on the B dragon. If W starts to surround this group, he might just provoke B to make territory with large endgame moves like (c) and (d).

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$W $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O X X X a . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . X , X O . . O 1 O . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O O O O O . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . X O O X X X X . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . X X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . c . . . O b . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . d . . . . . X . . . . X . X X O . . | $$ | . . . O . O O X . . X . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . O . X X O X . . O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . O X X . . O . X X O . X . . O . . | $$ | . . O . . . O . O O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Harleqin · **#391**

I think the protection would be better like this:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$W $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O X X X a . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . X , X O . . O . O . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . X O . . . . 1 . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O O O O O . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . X O O X X X X . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . X X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . c . . . O b . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . d . . . . . X . . . . X . X X O . . | $$ | . . . O . O O X . . X . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . O . X X O X . . O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . O X X . . O . X X O . X . . O . . | $$ | . . O . . . O . O O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

dfan · **#392**

mitsun has it.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm84 ACTUAL GAME: Move 84. Points from prisoners: B 2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O X X X . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . X , X O . . O 1 O . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O O O O O . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . X O O X X X X . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . X X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X X O . . | $$ | . . . O . O O X . . X . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . O . X X O X . . O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . O X X . . O . X X O . X . . O . . | $$ | . . O . . . O . O O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Chew Terr · **#393**

I like either P15 or SOMETHING in the bottom left quadrant =/. Can't figure out the right point for the latter, for the life of me.

Marcus · **#394**

Black is pretty solid everywhere. I think this would be a good time for O8, maybe? It strikes me as a good way to continue to reduce the White central framework. Again, just my gut instinct.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm85 MY THOUGHT: Move 85. Points from prisoners: B 2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O X X X . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . X , X O . . O O O . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O O O O O . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . X O O X X X X . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . X X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . 1 . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X X O . . | $$ | . . . O . O O X . . X . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . O . X X O X . . O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . O X X . . O . X X O . X . . O . . | $$ | . . O . . . O . O O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Joaz Banbeck · **#395**

The contest now has become about who can get center territory. There are two groups with no definite eyes, and they will give both side a little leverage to make territory while attacking.

There are four major points in the center which both sides want:
H11 or nearby: The two eyeless groups would like to lean on each other. It is sente for both. The first one to do it gets influence in the center.
G7: Sente for white to invade the beginnings of black's moyo, and threaten the black dragon. Gote for black, but good for territory.
O8 or nearby: The juncture of two impending moyos. Gote for both, but big for both.
P15: Maybe sente for white to hurt the corner, good for white territory. Gote for black but provides nice anchor for reducing white territory in the middle or the right.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm85 Move 85. Points from prisoners: B 2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O X X X . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . X , X O . . O O O . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X O . O . . . . . . S . . . . | $$ | . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O O O O O . S . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . X O O X X X X . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . X X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . S . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O S . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X X O . . | $$ | . . . O . O O X . . X . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . O . X X O X . . O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . O X X . . O . X X O . X . . O . . | $$ | . . O . . . O . O O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Of those four spots, I count 2.5 sente moves for white, one sente move for black. So it seems that black's short-term strategy should be to take the sente move, then play his best gote.

I'm not sure what that best gote is for move :b87:

, but my prediction for :b85:

is this sente move:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm85 Move 85. Points from prisoners: B 2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O X X X . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . X , X O . . O O O . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O O O O O B . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . X O O X X X X . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . X X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X X O . . | $$ | . . . O . O O X . . X . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . O . X X O X . . O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . O X X . . O . X X O . X . . O . . | $$ | . . O . . . O . O O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Marcus wrote:

Black is pretty solid everywhere. I think this would be a good time for O8, maybe?...

If true, it means that it is a good time to attack something.
If both are solid everywhere, them maybe it is time for territory grabbing.

Joaz Banbeck · **#396**

BTW, at first glance, turning at N17 may look like sente. It is not:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wc If black 2 tenukis, a and b are miai. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . a . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X 3 4 . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O X X X 1 . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . X , X O b . O O O . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O O O O O . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . X O O X X X X . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . X X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |[/go]

Magicwand · **#397**

Marcus wrote:

Black is pretty solid everywhere. I think this would be a good time for O8, maybe? It strikes me as a good way to continue to reduce the White central framework. Again, just my gut instinct.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm85 MY THOUGHT: Move 85. Points from prisoners: B 2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O X X X . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . X , X O . . O O O . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O O O O O . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . X O O X X X X . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . X X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . 1 . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X X O . . | $$ | . . . O . O O X . . X . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . O . X X O X . . O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . O X X . . O . X X O . X . . O . . | $$ | . . O . . . O . O O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i can think of one move that is better than yours without any question

let's broaden our mind and see bigger pictures

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm85 MY THOUGHT: Move 85. Points from prisoners: B 2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O X X X . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . X , X O . . O O O . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O O O O O . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . X O O X X X X . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . X X X X . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X X O . . | $$ | . . . O . O O X . . X . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . O . X X O X . . O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . O X X . . O . X X O . X . . O . . | $$ | . . O . . . O . O O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

dfan · **#398**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm85 ACTUAL GAME: Move 85. Points from prisoners: B 2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O X X X . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . X , X O . . O O O . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O O O O O . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . X O O X X X X . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . X X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X X O . . | $$ | . . . O . O O X . . X . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . O . X X O X . . O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . O X X . . O . X X O . X . . O . . | $$ | . . O . . . O . O O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Joaz Banbeck · **#399**

This can't be a pro move!! Dfan is making things up again.

Dusk Eagle · **#400**

What makes you say that :scratch:

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