Club game from last night (from memory). I'm black, two stones vs. AGA 4d.

I'm posting for the nice tsumego at move 52 and 157. Enjoy.

[sgf-full](;CA[Windows-1252]AB[pd]AP[MultiGo:4.4.4]SZ[19]AB[dp]MULTIGOGM[1]
;W[de];B[pp];W[cn];B[fp];W[dj];B[cc];W[ec];B[ce];W[cf];B[df];W[cd];B[be];W[cg];B[dd]
;W[ee];B[dc];W[ed];B[nc];W[hq];B[kq];W[ho];B[fn];W[ko];B[lp];W[hm];B[fl];W[fj];B[bo]
;W[eq];B[ep];W[fq];B[gp];W[ir];B[pn];W[qq];B[qp];W[pq];B[rq];W[rr];B[rp];W[nq];B[np]
;W[mp];B[mo];W[op];B[mq];W[no];B[oo];W[mp];B[nn];W[nr];B[np]C[Status\: Can white tenuki?]
;W[qi]C[Black to kill];B[sr];W[rs];B[ps]C[I played it out of order];W[pr];B[qg]
;W[ql];B[pk];W[rj];B[pi];W[pj];B[oj];W[ph];B[oi];W[qh];B[oh];W[pg];B[hp];W[ip];B[io]
;W[jp];B[jn];W[in];B[jo];W[km];B[im];W[jm];B[hn];W[kn];B[go];W[il];B[jq];W[iq];B[kp]
;W[in];B[ho];W[cr];B[hk];W[gl];B[gk];W[fk];B[gm];W[ik];B[hj];W[hl];B[ij];W[el];B[fm]
(;W[jj];B[ji];W[kj];B[ih];W[ki];B[kh];W[lh];B[kg];W[mj];B[lk]C[M13 woud be so much better for me; I was too focused on killing]
;W[lg];B[li];W[lj];B[mi];W[kf];B[jg];W[mk];B[mh];W[mf];B[nf];W[ne];B[of];W[md];B[ie]
;W[mc];B[oc];W[oe];B[pe];W[pf];B[mg]C[-1 liberty];W[lf];B[ol];W[nl];B[nm];W[nj]
;B[qj]C[Also -1 liberty];W[og];B[pl];W[mm];B[ng];W[ni];B[nh];W[jf];B[if];W[hg];B[ig]
;W[ic];B[jd];W[jc];B[kc];W[kb];B[kd];W[lb]
(;B[qf];W[rg];B[rf];W[rh]C[Black to kill.];B[sg]C[Not like this...];W[si];B[rm]
;W[rl];B[qm];W[sk];B[hh];W[gg];B[gh];W[qc];B[rd];W[pc];B[qd];W[rc];B[od];W[ob];B[nb]
;W[oa];B[sf];W[sh];B[sd];W[qb];B[re];W[co];B[dq];W[dr];B[cp];W[bn];B[dm];W[en];B[dn]
;W[eo];B[do];W[em];B[dl];W[ek];B[bp];W[bl];B[ck];W[bk];B[cj];W[bi];B[bj];W[aj];B[ci]
;W[bh];B[eh]C[Somehow we made a ko here which I screwed up, but I don't remember how.])))[/sgf-full]

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My take on 157 is a hane at s9.

Wr9 - atari
Bs8 - atari
Wq10 - capture/atari
Bp9 - connect

I think then it will be a ko or w will connect at r10 and then b will try to squeeze him down.

Or am I missing something crucial?

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I don't think there will be a ko. He cannot capture any b stones you played so he is left with a dead shape.

edit: I had a double negation where I meant one.

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w can't tenuki at w53 ( I think )

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[go]$$c
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . X X . . . . |
$$ , . X , X O X X X . |
$$ . X . X O 2 O O X . |
$$ . . 5 4 O 1 3 9 O 7 |
$$ . . . 0 . . 6 . 8 . |
$$ --------------------+[/go]

Next b has a quick and a slow way to kill. If not w10 b will kill there.

Some more variations:

[sgf-full](;GM[1]FF[4]AP[Drago:3.00.02]SZ[13]AB[lk][lj][kj][jj][ii][hj][gk][ek][fj][hi]AW[ij][hk][hl][jk][kk][ll];B[il]
;W[ik]C[lest b kills corner];B[jl]
(;W[gl];B[fl]
(;W[jm];B[ml]
(;W[lm];B[kl]
;W[gm]C[lest b kills there. But now b can kill in 2 ways. Quickly or slowly.];B[im])
(;W[km];B[gm])
(;W[gm];B[lm];W[kl];B[im]))
(;W[im];B[gm]
(;W[ml];B[kl])
(;W[km];B[ml]))
(;W[gm];B[kl])
(;W[kl];B[ml]
(;W[lm];B[jm];W[gm];B[im])
(;W[jm];B[lm];W[gm];B[im]))
(;W[ml];B[kl]))
(;W[jm];B[ml]
(;W[km];B[gl])
(;W[gl]
;B[fl]C[already discussed]))
(;W[ml]
;B[kl]C[3 lib's against 2])
(;W[lm];B[ml];W[gl];B[fl]
(;W[gm];B[im];W[jm];B[kl])
(;W[jm];B[kl];W[gm];B[im])
(;W[im];B[gm])
(;W[kl];B[jm];W[gm];B[im])))[/sgf-full]

edit: I think b54 in the game is also correct. But b56 lets w of the hook. Should be at p2.

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I would've played the first one like this:

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Each of us woke up one moment and here we were in the darkness.
We're nameless things with no memory; no knowledge of what went before,
No understanding of what is now, no knowledge of what will be.

Both problems illustrate the principle of restricting eye-space.

BTW, can't Black kill at move 159?

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Visualize whirled peas.

Everything with love. Stay safe.

OC, and you knew it;) ( Suddenly I discovered what OC stands for ).

BTW if b extends at C11 at move 200 wouldn't he "easily" connect to either the NW or the center thereby killing w's side resp w's center. w is quite short in liberties on both sides. B's bending move at 200 reduces his own liberties.

Thx Daniel for your braveness to share this game with us.

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3 and 5 have to be played in the other order (Dusk Eagle's 5 looks like it works, too, instead of 3 here). I actually read this out correctly in the game and then played in the wrong order.

Bill: yeah, true, at 159 it's not too late. But 157 doesn't really help any. The second problem I got totally confused on in the game because I was somehow thinking there was going to be a ko even though it's obvious there won't be-- I think I was giving white an extra move in my head.

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We don't know who we are; we don't know where we are.
Each of us woke up one moment and here we were in the darkness.
We're nameless things with no memory; no knowledge of what went before,
No understanding of what is now, no knowledge of what will be.

Dusk Eagle, Cyclops:

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That which can be destroyed by the truth should be.
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_________________
We don't know who we are; we don't know where we are.
Each of us woke up one moment and here we were in the darkness.
We're nameless things with no memory; no knowledge of what went before,
No understanding of what is now, no knowledge of what will be.

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The Adkins Principle:
At some point, doesn't thinking have to go on?
— Winona Adkins

Visualize whirled peas.

Everything with love. Stay safe.

Oh. Didn't think about just connecting, lol.

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