85: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Andd (3K)

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Re: 85: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Andd (3K)

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i want him to try to live on top with two eyes only with gote.

if my right side become little stronger then i can attack with 'a' and it might capture his group.

'b' on top is a vital point of attack i am looking at now.
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Re: 85: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Andd (3K)

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Ok not my proudest move but here's why. I figure it will take him at least one more move to kill the top middle group, and I doubt I'd be able to make it live, even if I did, he would get very thick in the process, and I'd get only a few points (even though he gets alot for killing i think it'd barely overcome the komi. So I'll take a big point with sente, he won't want to kill in gote.
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Re: 85: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Andd (3K)

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a and b miai sounds good.
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Re: 85: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Andd (3K)

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Re: 85: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Andd (3K)

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Re: 85: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Andd (3K)

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It seems that MW is getting greedy. True, it may trouble the upper group, but I doubt that it kills against best defense. Whereas the honte move at R6 was huge and sente.
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Re: 85: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Andd (3K)

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Joaz Banbeck wrote:It seems that MW is getting greedy. True, it may trouble the upper group, but I doubt that it kills against best defense. Whereas the honte move at R6 was huge and sente.

It is my very limited understanding that when you are playing against big handicap/reverse komi, you shouldn't play against best defense
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Re: 85: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Andd (3K)

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Joaz Banbeck wrote:
It seems that MW is getting greedy. True, it may trouble the upper group, but I doubt that it kills against best defense. Whereas the honte move at R6 was huge and sente.


Funny. I was thinking that :w34: was too small, because you can't expect best play from Black. Black might have trouble living, anyway. ;)


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exactly what i wanted...but somehow i can not find good picture :)
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Re: 85: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Andd (3K)

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only move for me.
my objective is getting sente and invade a.
if he make mistake i will launch "b".
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