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Offline Laman
 Post subject: Re: 84. Laman (1d) vs. Dusk Eagle (1d)
Post #61 Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 5:19 am 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #44, B+1
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$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . W O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

black was overextending here and there and now i refuse to accept it anymore :). if he wants to fight, i don't mind.

otherwise, black's move has an advantage over my proposed N7 in that it serves the same purpose and also looks down to my opened right side. however, it is thinner, so i cut

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[go]$$Bcm1 Diagram 1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . 7 . 8 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 3 a O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . 4 1 W O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . 5 X O O B . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O B . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i believe i can play like this. 7 is not sure but looks natural. i will have to watch out for black atari at a, threating a shortage of my liberties and eventually resurrecting two marked black stones. on the other hand, black will have to invest one move to secure the lower side

by the way, sometimes i have to ask myself "what would Magicwand do?", because looking at the lower side, i feel there should be some nice and easy way for white to do something nasty, but none of my ideas seemed to work.

Dusk Eagle: clearly Bill didn't talk about the actual game, or were there so far any moves one could describe as vulgar? :)

observers: thank you for so many comments, i am looking forward to read them after the game

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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 84. Laman (1d) vs. Dusk Eagle (1d)
Post #62 Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 5:44 am 
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not for the players:
above diag is clearly better for white. but i would never play that because i am afraid black might play as below which will solidify bottom without any chance of invasion which is terriorable for white.
again...i am not saying my idea is better. i am only displaying how i think differently.
(given that i am a stronger player means that there are good chance that my view has some merit)
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[go]$$Bcm1 Diagram 1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . 3 1 O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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 Post subject: Re: 84. Laman (1d) vs. Dusk Eagle (1d)
Post #63 Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 7:03 am 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #45, B+1
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$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . B O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Laman
 Post subject: Re: 84. Laman (1d) vs. Dusk Eagle (1d)
Post #64 Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 7:42 am 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #46, B+1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Dusk Eagle
 Post subject: Re: 84. Laman (1d) vs. Dusk Eagle (1d)
Post #65 Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 2:45 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #47, B+1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O B . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I can definitely not play any other move.

I'm rather surprised he's chosen to cut immediately. I don't have much of a clue about how he plans to proceed from here, so I can't really say too much more about this position. I'll see how he decides to play first.

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Post #66 Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 3:04 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #48, B+1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . W X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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 Post subject: Re: 84. Laman (1d) vs. Dusk Eagle (1d)
Post #67 Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 3:10 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #49, B+1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . B X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Obviously.

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Offline Laman
 Post subject: Re: 84. Laman (1d) vs. Dusk Eagle (1d)
Post #68 Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 3:29 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #50, B+1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . W X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . X X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

so far no problem. we will see what comes next. black can also try other moves than b O9 i showed in previous comment - b hane N9, but it goes bad after w cut O9. more interesting is b Q9, but i shoul be able to handle it by w P8 or maybe again O9 - it looks really like a key point

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Offline Dusk Eagle
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Post #69 Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 4:50 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #51, B+1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . B . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . X X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

No other choices for this move either. The hane clearly doesn't work, and playing the atari only eats up a valuable liberty for me, when there's no rush to play it. Letting me get the turn of :bc: below seems too big, so he'll probably push again on his next move.

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[go]$$Bcm1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . B X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . X X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

As long as he's pushing from behind, I should have nothing to worry about.

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Offline Joaz Banbeck
 Post subject: Re: 84. Laman (1d) vs. Dusk Eagle (1d)
Post #70 Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 7:00 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #50, B+1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . W X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . X X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

so far no problem. we will see what comes next. black can also try other moves than b O9 i showed in previous comment - b hane N9, but it goes bad after w cut O9. more interesting is b Q9, but i shoul be able to handle it by w P8 or maybe again O9 - it looks really like a key point


@Laman:
Why not the simple connection at M7? He is one move ahead of you in a running fight.

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Post #71 Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 9:01 am 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #52, B+1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . W . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . X X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

here ends my sequence from previous diagram. i went through possible continuations that time but didn't save them, so now i had to reconstruct them again...

most reasonable moves for black now are cut or bend:

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[go]$$Bcm1 Diagram 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . 4 . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . W . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . b 2 O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 3 1 O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . a O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . X X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Bcm1 Diagram 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . 1 X . W . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 2 . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . X X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

diagram 2 looks even or maybe better for me, both my and black groups are floating and my group can make some shape (while black has easier escape route)

diagram 1 worries me more, it looks almost as if i made all this fuss only to fail... i can eat three black stones but black almost secure very big lower side. if black tried to run with his stones and escape, i believe it would give me more profit than if he abandom them directly

i feel that i have worse position than black, yet i cannot see any move better than those i played - at least it will be good game for a review and study

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@Laman:
Why not the simple connection at M7? He is one move ahead of you in a running fight.

you shouldn't ask such questions before i make the move :)

but i think that black would cause me more troubles on the right side than those i will experience in the center, devastating my side territory and cutting of my R12 stone while my four stones in the center still achieved nothing

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[go]$$Bcm1 Diagram 3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , a . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . 6 5 8 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X 7 3 4 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . W O X 1 O 0 . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X O O 2 O 9 . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . X X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #72 Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 3:12 pm 
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Hey Laman, it's really crunch time for me with my exams (one tomorrow, one Saturday, and one Monday) so just understand that if I post less frequently than usual :) .

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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #53, B+1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . B X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . X X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Yeah, his last move seemed pretty necessary to prevent me from squeezing him terribly (which he probably showed you). But now I get this large turn on his group.

I'm not sure if this move is tactically the best, but I'm more confident in it being correct than any other move I could try.

I'm behind on territory at this point, so I must actively seek profit in this fight ahead of us. I don't think I'm in a bad position, I just can't be looking to quickly settle all our shapes and get to yose. If I am aggressive and if I can harass his groups for profit, I should be fine. I bet I'll be able to find some exploitable aji in his right-side group later on, even after his last move.

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Post #73 Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 3:47 pm 
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Dusk Eagle: no problem, good luck with your exams. i will be taking mine in January :) (my first ones at university)

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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #54, B+1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . W . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . X X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

finally black played a move that seems better for me than my darkest worries :). after 1-2 exchange, a and black b / white c become miai:

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[go]$$Bcm1 Diagram 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . a 1 X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . W 2 O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . c . O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . b b . X X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

a would allow me to apply some more light pressure on black floating group and after c i believe black couldn't completely prevent me from breaking into lower side. if black decides to cut me instead of 1, i am also ok:

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[go]$$Bcm1 Diagram 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 8 W 2 O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 4 3 1 O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . 6 5 O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . 7 . X X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #74 Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 5:59 pm 
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Laman wrote:
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you shouldn't ask such questions before i make the move :)...


@Laman:
I did. I quoted you playing N8, and suggested that M7 might have been better..AFTER you had played N8.

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Post #75 Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 12:15 am 
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Joaz Banbeck wrote:
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I did. I quoted you playing N8, and suggested that M7 might have been better..AFTER you had played N8.

ah, so. then it makes much more sense. i was thinking about my next move so for some reason i wrongly assumed you were talking about it. black would have it more difficult to make some mischief on the right indeed...

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[go]$$Bcm1 Diagram 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 7 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 9 3 4 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . W O X 1 O 6 . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X O O 2 O 5 . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . X X O O X 0 . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

after 10 black runs out of steam, as he cannot catch the 8 stone

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Post #76 Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 10:07 am 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #55, B+1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . B . . X X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Preserve the territory on the bottom while attacking white and helping link-up my one-space jump on the left. As good as that all sounds, I have a bad feeling about this move - like it is not the correct way to play. Whether it is or not, it's the best move I can come up with, so I'm going with it.

As long as white's four stones don't get too strong, I don't think he'll be able to launch all that severe of an attack on my four black stones. I am definitely keeping an eye on them though.

I'm more confident of a player in normal-time games. These games make me search for the best move rather than just a working move, and that's when I realize all too clearly that I really don't have a clue what is best. Oh well.

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Post #77 Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 3:53 am 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #56, B+1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . W O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . X X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i've considered two other moves here, M9 and K6. K6 is similar to L6 but it gives black more sente moves on the lower side. M9 attacks black four stones but i don't like the remaining cut at black M7. (M9 might be well the correct move here)

i chose this, as it should be partial sente against the lower side - there arise some complicated sequences after white M4

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Post #78 Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 9:19 am 
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I feel like m9 was the important move for both players in the last two moves.

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Post #79 Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 5:44 pm 
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Sorry for my slowness these past few days, but my exams are now over (and I'm back home :tmbup: ) and so with them off of my mind, I should be able to get back to thinking about this game.

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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #57, B+1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . B . . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . X X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I'm not sure why he's so concerned about saving that one stone which I could have cut off. It wasn't worth anything and if I had cut it off it only would have made him stronger.

Anyway, his move does aim at bad aji, namely this:

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X 5 4 X X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . 6 2 1 X 8 X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . 3 7 X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . 9 X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I clearly cannot play as above.

So I thought about playing :b1::

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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . 1 O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . X X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O 7 O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . 1 O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X 6 5 X X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , 3 2 X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . 4 . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

He clearly cannot play the same as below. However, playing :b1: would induce :w2: in the following diagram, and there's some bad aji in the position I would rather not have.

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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 2 . . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . 1 O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . X X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

So, I thought about the simpler move of just falling back and preserving the connection. I think this would be an okay way for me to play:

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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . a b . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X B . X X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

But then I decided, why not try to get the exchange of 'a' for 'b' first? It seems like that will be more beneficial to me than to him. Of course, he might not play 'b', but I don't think any of his resistance plays works. So, I've made a last-minute change to this move. Hopefully I'm making the right decision here :mrgreen: .

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Offline Laman
 Post subject: Re: 84. Laman (1d) vs. Dusk Eagle (1d)
Post #80 Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 12:53 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #58, B+1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O W O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . X X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

there's not much to say about this move - the other connection L7 feels worse and other moves let black cut and divide my stones at M7. i am still not very satisfied with my position

Dusk Eagle:
no problem, i hope you were successful :)

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