[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . X . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X X X O O O X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O O O X O . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O X O X . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . X O X O O X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X O X X W . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X . O . . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
What is this I don't even. This way I get the best of both worlds. I'll force him into heavy shape if he tries to save his 3 stones, and then nom one of his stones near the edge.
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . X . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X X X O O O X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O O O X O . X B . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O X O X . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . X O X O O X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X O X X O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X . O . . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Sorry for the delay.
I took some time away from this game to enjoy my last days of winter break. I've made several bad moves and lost a ton in these exchanges but I don't feel like it's a lost game by any stretch. I'm fixing the top position with a thick, though probably slow move.
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . X . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . 1 | $$ | . O X X X X O O O X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O O O X O . X X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O X O X . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . X O X O O X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X O X X O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . 2 . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X . O . . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I'm vaguely curious about this. I can't answer it readily as black, but I've only given it a cursory examination. I guess T19 isn't really urgent so black will play on the left anyway.
Edit: Relatedly, as black I would probably play here
$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . X . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X X X O O O X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O O O X O . X X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O X O X . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . X O X O O X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X O X X O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X . O . . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
K17 doesn't seem particularly thick to me. White can't or won't do anything right away, but that group is subject to attack.
In any case, those stones were just hanging off of a live white group. I think that so long as white can't capture them on a large scale, it's not a priority to help them. I could be wrong about that--I often give up on stones too easily.
I was a bit infatuated with Lee Seedol's "ladder game" when I played the other variation and I thought that I might know it better than my opponent. White's j15 caught me completely by suprised.
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . X . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X X X O O O X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O O O X O . X X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O X O X . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . X O X O O X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X O X X O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . W O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X . O . . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
:) I'm missing some variations here, but there aren't any where I don't get something good out of this cut. [sgf-full](;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2] RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[0.00] GN[Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1]DT[2011-01-22]PC[http://lifein19x19.com/]CR[di]AW[fa][ha][bb][gb][hb][ib][bc][cc][dc][ec][gc][dd][ed][gd][fe][he][ie][ff][if][dg][fg][hg][fh][op][lq][oq][pq]AB[ba][cb][db][eb][fb][jb][fc][ic][jc][cd][fd][hd][pd][ce][ee][ge][je][cf][ef][gf][hf][eg][di][dp][pp][qp][jq][qq]C[Diagram from http://lifein19x19.com/
Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1]PL[W] ;CR[di] ;W[eh] (;B[dh] ;W[cg] (;B[bg] ;W[ch] (;B[bh] ;W[ci] (;B[bi] ;W[cj]C[Black can play this way, but it's painful.]) (;B[cj] (;W[ej]) (;W[dj]C[nom.]))) (;B[ci] ;W[bh] ;B[bf] ;W[bi] ;B[bj] (;W[cj]C[This is no good.] ;B[dj] ;W[ck] ;B[bk] ;W[cl] ;B[bl]) (;W[bk] ;B[cj] ;W[aj] (;B[bl]) (;B[ck] ;W[bl]C[I crawl, but eat the corner.])))) (;B[ch] ;W[bg] ;B[bh] ;W[df] ;B[de] ;W[bf]C[Black dies]) (;B[df] ;W[bg] (;B[bh] ;W[bf] ;B[be] ;W[bd]C[I wi]) (;B[bf] ;W[bi] ;B[bh] ;W[ch] ;B[ci] ;W[ah] ;B[bj] ;W[cj] (;B[bk] ;W[dj]) (;B[dj] (;W[ck]C[This doesn't work so well.] ;B[bk] ;W[cl] ;B[bl] ;W[cm] ;B[bm] ;W[bd] ;B[aj] ;W[ai] ;B[af] ;W[ae] ;B[ag]) (;W[bk] ;B[ck] ;W[aj] ;B[bl] ;W[cj]C[This is fine for me.] ;B[] ;W[] ;B[bj] ;W[bd] ;B[ak] ;W[be] ;B[ai] ;W[de]C[Because I don't need the ko.]))) (;B[ch] ;W[bf] ;B[be] ;W[bd]))) (;B[cg] ;W[dh] ;B[ch] ;W[ci] ;B[cj] ;W[bi]C[Black can play like this, but ... ] ;B[bj] ;W[dj] ;B[ei] ;W[ej] ;B[ai] ;W[bh] ;B[bg] ;W[fi] ;B[ah] ;W[di] ;B[cl]C[He has to connect underneath.]))[/sgf-full]
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . X . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X X X O O O X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O O O X O . X X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O X O X . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . X O X O O X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X O X X O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . W O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X . O . . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
The connection here is sente. I'll then approach his bottom left corner, because his top left stones are still harassable. I've also got aims to approach on the top right.
To Redundant, and also Emerus IF redundant says it's ok.
Now that it's too late to matter:
Didn't you miss black playing a strategically timed B16 in your considered variations ? I felt Emerus' move (ie D11) was fine and that perhaps you both missed the significance of a well-timed B16 sente. But, my laptop is crashing if I do things like "use the keyboard" too much, so I'll leave this question sort of open, rather than elucidate any diagrams myself.
Also, give my apologies to Shaddy for escaping our game the other day. My laptop crashes if I try to leave a message on kgs. Laptops crashing. Grrrr.
To observers:
Redundant >> me, so really it's no surprise that he trounces a move I would've chose.
