33. Magicwand (3d) vs. zinger (1d)

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OK, let's give this a try :)

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If white plays 2, I plan to exchange 3-4 to create ko threats, then start the ko.
Last edited by zinger on Wed May 05, 2010 5:14 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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ok .. let's see ..
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just empty hidden box that will make my opponent feel uneasy.
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i am sure he explained in his hidden box that there is ko he is after..
that was something i didnt expect. i have seen them in professionals but never been played against me.
anyway..i might lose some points if something goes wrong..but i dont have any choice but to follow what he wants.
i have a feeling it is not going to be too bad. i dont really worry about outcome as of now.
if he loses ko he will lose much points as he gains out of ko threat.
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OK here goes. I think he stands more to lose in this ko than I do. He might get a strong counter-threat in the top right though. I sure don't know yet, but this mess is exactly what I was aiming for!
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coming in already??? wow..
i guess he felt that he will be in better shape after this ko.
i am not sure about that.. i think he should have made the threat bigger.
but what do i know..
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I think we both know where this is going:

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This should be interesting ..
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you should've went one more move :)
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So the only question is the result. I'm not really convinced this is good for me.
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i am totally satisfied with this. my 2 stone on top was light and he can never kill all aji. and i have sente.

added comment:
simple calculation:
he barely caputred my 2 stones and how many stone did i capture???
plus alpha is on my side. i have gotten thicker and his group got weaker.
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Meh, this isn't so great, I should have held the ko in reserve :sad:

White's strength is really working with the star point stone, and he has sente. I may have already lost.
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Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

Post by prokofiev »

Should be okay for the players as the position is settled:

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What about this, with a and b as miai?
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Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

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To prokofiev:

This would worry me as Black:

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Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

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prokofiev wrote:Should be okay for the players as the position is settled:

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[go]$$c
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What about this, with a and b as miai?


i would connect b and fight. it doesnt look good for black to fight this way. it my opinion.
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