EdLee
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by EdLee Thu Feb 24, 2011 6:47 pm
@jts:
jts wrote: I thought I might get some "consult a dictionary, lose two stones" comments.
Then we can lose 2 stones together.
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by tj86430 Thu Feb 24, 2011 9:06 pm
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by jts Fri Feb 25, 2011 3:49 pm
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by tj86430 Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:09 pm
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by jts Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:57 pm
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is the first move in the joseki that looks odd to me. First, it looks a little too far, although once you know that it's the joseki move it's clear that B can't cut.
is also a move I would never find on my own; I take it the point is to make W heavy and also to have the threat that enables B to complete the joseki successfully.
After W replies to the forcing move, I get to choose between {sente, W is very solid, B needs to watch out for a peep/ladderbreaker/clamp} and {gote, B is thick on the outside}. I think I'm going to take the former. It's not as huge a deal in a 2-stone game, but in general stronger players are able to harass weaker players by taking sente and keeping it for twenty or thirty moves. Best to stay on the offensive as long as possible.
(Qualification: I actually don't think I have that many sente moves available. But I can try to approach the lower right in sente, and then take a reverse sente move somewhere.)
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by tj86430 Fri Feb 25, 2011 5:20 pm
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by jts Fri Feb 25, 2011 6:06 pm
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by tj86430 Sat Feb 26, 2011 12:36 am
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by Loons Sat Feb 26, 2011 3:01 am
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by mw42 Sat Feb 26, 2011 11:19 am
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by jts Sat Feb 26, 2011 11:29 am
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by mw42 Sat Feb 26, 2011 11:34 am
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I wonder if he would have still played this variation on the following board
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by tj86430 Sat Feb 26, 2011 11:43 am
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by jts Sat Feb 26, 2011 3:58 pm
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@mw42 - I was being a little bit flip when I replied to Loons. I understand the strategic purpose to some extent. White gets cramped in gote (compare to the standard joseki where W shares the corner and extends to C11, with more room to extend down towards B's lower left corner), but Black has bad aji. What I don't understand is the placement of the individual stones, and so on. I couldn't explain to you why my latest move is sente -- but likewise, I couldn't explain to you why the slide into the corner in the {4-4, low approach, extend} joseki is sente (and indeed, some pros don't treat it as sente).somewhere .
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by Aphelion Sat Feb 26, 2011 4:01 pm
is the first move in the joseki that looks odd to me. First, it looks a little too far, although once you know that it's the joseki move it's clear that B can't cut. 
is also a move I would never find on my own; I take it the point is to make W heavy and also to have the threat that enables B to complete the joseki successfully.
