Nice problems, I did them both correctly but I would not say "effortlessly". Maybe I need to do more practice. Also, I misread a simple ladder in a tournament game last weekend (I was short on time and already in a losing position, though).lefuet wrote:two ladder problems I found some time ago: ...
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Re: I've read Kageyama's Lessons in the Fundamentals of go .
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Re: I've read Kageyama's Lessons in the Fundamentals of go .
Thanks for these problems. I liked the second one better a bit, but both were cool.lefuet wrote:two ladder problems I found some time ago:
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Re: I've read Kageyama's Lessons in the Fundamentals of go .
Here is a nice one from Sakata's "Tesuji and Anti-suji of Go". 
I think that it also comes from a classical collection.
I think that it also comes from a classical collection.The Adkins Principle:
At some point, doesn't thinking have to go on?
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At some point, doesn't thinking have to go on?
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Visualize whirled peas.
Everything with love. Stay safe.
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Re: I've read Kageyama's Lessons in the Fundamentals of go .
You probably already have a copy of The Treasure-Chest Enigma in your collection? The essays in the first half are great for motivation, but the second half is nothing but bending ladder problems. I used to practice reading those and eventually started finding them in my games. I should look at it again...tchan001 wrote:For me, ladders which bend are really difficult to read correctly
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Re: I've read Kageyama's Lessons in the Fundamentals of go .
Bill Spight wrote:Here is a nice one from Sakata's "Tesuji and Anti-suji of Go".
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Re: I've read Kageyama's Lessons in the Fundamentals of go .
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Re: I've read Kageyama's Lessons in the Fundamentals of go .
It might take me only a few seconds (few being within the 10-30 sec range), but it feels like an eternity, so if the clock is running, I usually just give up reading.tapir wrote:I would like to know how long people need to actually read a ladder across the board. Can you do it in under 30, 20, 15 or 10 seconds? (Honest answers are appreciated.) Are you actually reading ladders in blitz games? How long does it take if you want to resist against a ladder-breaker in a way that the ladder still works?
honest answer -- I'm too lazy to read ladders
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Re: I've read Kageyama's Lessons in the Fundamentals of go .
The first three in this thread I solved mentally and checked them by playing them out in drago. The other two I solved by playing them out. Somehow I get too impatient too soon to solve them mentally.
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Re: I've read Kageyama's Lessons in the Fundamentals of go .
After I had read Kageyama's Lessons over two years ago, I tried to apply reading ladders with some success. It won me some tournament games when I was around 15-16k.
As for the speed of reading ladders it strongly depends on the ladder itself. In the very most of the cases, you just "see" if the ladder works or not. If a move-by-move reading is necessary, I can read about three moves in two seconds when there are no enemy stones and about 1-2 seconds per move when there are.
If the ladder is very complicated as in one of the examples, and damezumari is involved, I usually fail to read the ladder.
As for the speed of reading ladders it strongly depends on the ladder itself. In the very most of the cases, you just "see" if the ladder works or not. If a move-by-move reading is necessary, I can read about three moves in two seconds when there are no enemy stones and about 1-2 seconds per move when there are.
If the ladder is very complicated as in one of the examples, and damezumari is involved, I usually fail to read the ladder.
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Re: I've read Kageyama's Lessons in the Fundamentals of go .
Speaking of misreading ladders, I committed this sin in a game for the first time yesterday. I thought the ladder worked after his peep at 
, until he played 
and I realized I was wrong. However, I decided to go with it anyway and it all worked out okay . Though he probably could have won if he had played H12 anytime after white 103.
, until he played and I realized I was wrong. However, I decided to go with it anyway and it all worked out okay . Though he probably could have won if he had played H12 anytime after white 103.We don't know who we are; we don't know where we are.
Each of us woke up one moment and here we were in the darkness.
We're nameless things with no memory; no knowledge of what went before,
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Each of us woke up one moment and here we were in the darkness.
We're nameless things with no memory; no knowledge of what went before,
No understanding of what is now, no knowledge of what will be.