There isn't any. When black plays the ladder breaker, white should defend the cut. If white doesn't want to have to do that, then he shouldn't extend into the corner with R2, but play the hanging connection S4 instead. S4 is usually the safest option in this joseki anyway, as it also avoids the hamete variation.

Sorry, I meant Araban there (and his hamete).

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I've attached a PDF which is from an old GOAMA newsletter that discusses this hamete, along with the refutation (which looks nice, as all nose tesujis do). I hope you find it helpful!

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I really really hate this joseki, for me the flow of stones doesnt feel natural at all... therefore most of the time I try to play like this:

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Bad beat stories? Back in my 5k-8k days there was a game I lost while filling dame-points. I had counted the game very very accuratly. I knew that I would end up winning with exactly 3,5 points. My opponent filled the last dame point and I immediately realised that I had to play another move in my territory to secure a cut because of it..... or not? I thought for several minutes and decided that it would be better to win with 3 points instead of 2 and didnt play the connection. Well some moves later my opponent was able to capture 2 stones and I lost by 1,5 points.


// Edit: Corrected the diagram code, messed up with the White/Black firstturn stuff in the headline of the diagram ^_^

I don't quite get it...

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He probably meant this:

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Ah, it looks so obvious, now :-p

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Uah sry was in a hurry and didnt check the diagram-code ; )

Another option that seems to be popular recently:

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after which there are several variations.

Personally I usually just play a next with white, which is relatively simple, but b is also an option.

Other playable ideas?

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i dont know...
white 2 just dont look right to me.
white is being attacked while white had 1 more stone. this can not be joseki.

edit: not 1 more stone but sente

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Pros don't play according to my database (The one time the position occurred, white cut. and are both extremely rare).

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just played a game where i was well ahead until i made some VERY stupid mistakes on the left side which cost me a lot, didnt resign because we wanted to see how bad the beat was, enjoy my stupidity (move 147 is the worst, the rest of it was probably a mistake too though)

oh as long as this is up, do you think 275 at r12 works better than what i played? seems like it forms ko...

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