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hyperpape
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I'm enjoying it, but I'm just one person.
It is a lot of time to post a sequence, so there may be quite a few readers who aren't speaking up. There are certainly a lot of views for the thread.
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White's trying to get sente. What do you think black should do?
Hint: It's black's turn, but where abouts would you play as white if you got sente here? Don't think, use your intuition - it's faster.

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Maybe slow, but it prevents the squeeze.
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How about in the top left? If white gets something like D14, it looks like he's (or she's) close to three sides of a box-shaped framework.
Someday I want to be strong enough to earn KGS[-].
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So black tenukis to take a big point. Before doing anything else, it's white's right to take a bit of sente profit now. How would that go?
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@hyperpape and @Chew
$$Bcm53 If black just connects, I think 58 is big even though 'b' looks big too.
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[go]$$Bcm53 If black just connects, I think 58 is big even though 'b' looks big too.
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The diagrams below just show some bad aji. Black would have to wait for the right time to exploit it because white has various other ways to respond.
$$Bcm1 The marked stone looks nice, but the situation's a bit weird. Later on...
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$$ | . 3 4 X X . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . O 1 5 . . . . . . O . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . 6 2 W . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
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[go]$$Bcm1 The marked stone looks nice, but the situation's a bit weird. Later on...
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$$ | . 7 O O X . . . X . O . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . 3 4 X X . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . O 1 5 . . . . . . O . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . 6 2 W . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
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$$Bcm1 Later (not immediately) black could play the diagram above and this one out.
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[go]$$Bcm1 Later (not immediately) black could play the diagram above and this one out.
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OK, here's the game record, courtesy of
GoGoD. If T Mark and John don't like this, I'll remove it and get the game from another source.
Sorry about letting this thread fizzle.
(;SZ[19]FF[3]
PW[Kobayashi Koichi]
WR[9d]
PB[Cho Chikun]
BR[9d]
EV[47th Honinbo Final]
RO[Game 2]
DT[1992-05-27,28]
PC[Gifu Grand Hotel, Gifu City]
KM[5.5]
RE[W+R]
US[GoGoD95]
;B[oc];W[dp];B[pp];W[qd];B[dd];W[kc];B[of];W[qg];B[ic];W[ke];B[ph];W[pg]
;B[og];W[oh];B[qh];W[pe];B[oe];W[oi];B[qj];W[pj];B[ri];W[rg];B[pk];W[ok]
;B[pl];W[lh];B[qb];W[rb];B[mc];W[pb];B[kb];W[ol];B[pm];W[qq];B[qp];W[pq]
;B[oq];W[or];B[nq];W[rp];B[ro];W[nr];B[mq];W[dc];B[ec];W[cc];B[ed];W[be]
;B[nj];W[mi];B[mg];W[lg];B[mj];W[lj];B[ni];W[lk];B[cn];W[nh];B[mh];W[li]
;B[oj];W[cl];B[dl];W[dk];B[el];W[cm];B[dn];W[fq];B[ep];W[eq];B[cp];W[cq]
;B[do];W[dq];B[cf];W[ce];B[di];W[ek];B[fk];W[ej];B[gl];W[fj];B[gj];W[gi]
;B[hj];W[fh];B[hi];W[fm];B[fl];W[hh];B[ih];W[hg];B[ig];W[if];B[hf];W[ie]
;B[gf];W[fg];B[jg];W[mf];B[ng];W[jf];B[ji];W[ef];B[gd];W[jd];B[bj];W[ck]
;B[bf];W[ch];B[bh];W[ci];B[de];W[df];B[bi];W[cg];B[bg];W[bc];B[cj];W[eh]
;B[bk];W[bl];B[ak];W[ai];B[ae];W[ad];B[af];W[ah];B[ab];W[eb];B[fb];W[db]
;B[bb];W[fc];B[gc];W[fa];B[fd];W[ba];B[mr];W[rq];B[ms];W[pr];B[ld];W[kg]
;B[le];W[kl];B[lm];W[km];B[il];W[ln];B[mm];W[jo];B[gp];W[mn];B[nm];W[nn]
;B[om];W[lp]
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