??. mic (9k) vs. Chew Terr (6k) (Open)

Chew Terr · **#41**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm13 W13 Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . W . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O O X . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I was looking at different options, like :b1:

at F17. Looks like it can become a ko.

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wc 2, 5, 8 take ko. $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O O X 7 . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . X O 2 C X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O O X 6 . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O O X X 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . 4 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc 2, 5, 8 take ko $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O O X O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . X O C 2 X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 4 3 X O O X X . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O O X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 6 1 X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . 7 O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

And here, black doesn't have a local threat that works, so white wins the ko. Even so, the result is not great. My corner is large but enclosed, and black has tons of thickness. At least, even with this ko, I feel like I won't lose everything, so it's worth fighting. There are a million other ways that this can play out, but I don't see anything too much worse than what I've already shown. Even the best results seem only okay for me, but there's not a lot of option at this point. Onwards!

Solomon · **#42**

I recommend that Black does not read this, but White and observers can.

Chew Terr · **#43**

Not for mic:

prokofiev · **#44**

Chew Terr wrote:

Not for mic:

Still not for mic I suppose:

daniel_the_smith · **#45**

Not for mic, I guess, for a few moves...

topazg · **#46**

daniel_the_smith wrote:

Not for mic, I guess, for a few moves...

daniel_the_smith · **#47**

topazg wrote:

Bill Spight · **#48**

Not for anybody.

Just kidding.

Not for the players.

topazg wrote:

daniel_the_smith wrote:

Not for mic, I guess, for a few moves...

mic · **#49**

Hi,

@ChewTerr: A honest "Sorry for my late reply". We currently have friends visiting and I had not time to really think about my next move.

@all: please tell me when I can read all the hidden comments

I so curious

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Chew Terr · **#50**

No problem about taking your time, that's what Malkovich is about. And yes, now you can read those replies. You found the fatal flaw in my plan that was obvious to everybody besides me =D. That is one tesuji I'm going to start seeing, thanks to this game. I'll leave it to you, Mic... do you think I should resign after botching the corner, or should I keep going and see what happens? If I resign, I'd be up for another (this format is educational) or I'd certainly be willing to try the uphill battle, if it'd still be fun for you.

mic · **#51**

Hi Chew Terr,

(out of curiosity, you should explain the origin of your name, maybe we should start a separate thread about it).

Chew Terr wrote:

No problem about taking your time, that's what Malkovich is about. And yes, now you can read those replies. You found the fatal flaw in my plan that was obvious to everybody besides me =D.

I also did not see this, if you look at my variations before your response

And to be honest, I'd never have found this move in a normal game because the obvious responses work against me only a lot of moves; the variations in the embedded sgf became quite long before I realized they did not work.

Quote:

That is one tesuji I'm going to start seeing, thanks to this game. I'll leave it to you, Mic... do you think I should resign after botching the corner, or should I keep going and see what happens? If I resign, I'd be up for another (this format is educational) or I'd certainly be willing to try the uphill battle, if it'd still be fun for you.

In my opinion we should start another because after I have more or less three corners it should be easy to keep the advantage, since reading your extensive comments makes it easy to play kind of defensive now. And from an egoistical point of view I'd like to learn more Fuseki and the comments help. But if you or some of our fellow readers have a good argument for continuing, I'm in for it, too. Otherwise, I'd like to thank you for this game and you and all other posters for the extensive comments, which were very educational

Cheers,
Mic

Chew Terr · **#52**

I'll make a name thread, I think, because I'm curious about other people(possible apostrophe)s names.

I resign.

Sure, let's just start a new game. While there's some chance I could come back, it would be extra hard in this format and it might just be me banging my head against a wall. I know I tend to resign too early, but this game's just meant to be educational. So we'll start a new one. Same settings okay with you?

Mic, thank you for the game. Though embarassing, it was certainly educational. I learned things about this corner joseki, as well as having that tesuji etched into my brain (I hope). I enjoyed it, and look forwards to playing you more.

Observers, thank you very much for your patient commentary. It really does help.

Kirby · **#53**

Good game, folks. About resigning, I think you shouldn't resign if you think that you have a chance. Of course it's your choice at any time. Others may have different opinions about this, though. In any case, good game!

daniel_the_smith · **#54**

Given the format, I think resigning is probably appropriate as the chance of a comeback is probably remote. I wouldn't resign a club game just yet.

mic · **#55**

Chew Terr wrote:

Mic, thank you for the game. Though embarassing, it was certainly educational. I learned things about this corner joseki, as well as having that tesuji etched into my brain (I hope). I enjoyed it, and look forwards to playing you more.

Yes, again, I wanted to thank you. About the tesuji. I think I'll never forget it again. Can't remember when I have looked at one position for such a long time

Cheers,
Mic

mic · **#56**

daniel_the_smith wrote:

If all these "not for mic" posts don't clue him in that there's a good move, I don't know what will!!

What made me realize that there is a good move was the fact that all my "standard" moves were devastating for me and I was franatically trying to find something that worked

- Mic

mic · **#57**

Bill Spight wrote:

I would not resign at this level, at this stage of the game, but I sure would play catch-up.

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Playing catch-up is quite difficult in a game where you explain your catch-up strategy to your opponent, too

- Mic

topazg · **#58**

If there's one comment I will make, I think the format probably means even games are more useful, both because the handicap is naturally reduced and also because it's a more "natural" fuseki that way.

??. mic (9k) vs. Chew Terr (6k) (Open)

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