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 Post subject: Re: 93: magicwand (4d) vs topazg (1d)
Post #201 Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 7:38 am 
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I'm really really not sure whether he or I got the bigger point at the moment. On one hand:

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[go]$$Bcm121 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . a . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O x x x X 2 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O x x x x x , . . . . . , O O . |
$$ | X O X x x x x . O . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O X x x x . . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . . X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . b . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . B . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O B O X X O X X . X O 1 O |
$$ | . . O . . B B B B O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . B . . . B O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


That's 17 points or so, and it may be optimistic or pessimistic - I can't read it well enough, but my gut feeling is that his influence is powerful enough for maybe 20 points there. I've taken away 10 points on the right, giving him a net gain of ~10 points, and it's my sente. The alternative:

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[go]$$Bcm121 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . y y y . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . 1 O y O y X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . X y y y . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . , O O . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . . X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O 2 O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Now I gain ~12 points depending on my next move (i.e, whether I go for a lot more here), and he gaines 10 points, which nets me 2 points. That of course, is not the big picture. The only way I could allow 2 was to _also treat the followup as gote_, which means:


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[go]$$Bcm121 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . y y y . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . 1 O y O y B . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . B y y y . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . , O O . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . . X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X b . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O 2 O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X 4 |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . 7 6 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I also have to allow this, which means I'm net 4 points behind with my sente. However, again, this isn't the whole picture! In the top diagram, moves like "a" become mega sente as he hasn't got two clear eyes, and those cuts I didn't like because of the squeeze may be enough if I can keep running. This could easily be worth another 10 points, and I'll never get sente up there now. Likewise, in the last diagram, the cut at "b" is becoming more concerning if I let him push again. However, this, also, neglects the value in the difference in my sente. With the top diagram, I will find it very hard to reduce the middle, remembering I have to be cautious that the marked group in the lower left does not yet have to easy clear eyes (easy to make the second eye in gote, but a gote move just to secure an eye right now is too low). With the last diagram, having sente for :b23: (effectively this move) and :b25: may give me the opportunity to pull another 10-15 point swing in the middle as I'm beginning to have the greater influence and beneficial aji now.

Put simply, I haven't a clue if I'm doing good with this exchange, it's way above my pay grade. However, _if_ I can make a good next move and capitalise further on the last move, I think I can benefit more from the center (comparing his move locally to mine locally) than he did in the lower right. Furthermore, the marked Black stones in the last diagram now have purpose, which they lacked when I placed them. If I can turn them into good moves, I will be very happy. Still favouring "d" in my last post, but I'm really staring at "b", "c" and "f" too.

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 Post subject: Re: 93: magicwand (4d) vs topazg (1d)
Post #202 Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 7:50 am 
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for obs only:
Korean professionals when they review the game they often talk about merit of the move.
but i never seen such term in english review. may be i havent seen enough.... (please let me know if i am wrong)

anyway.. i want to talk about merit of marked stone.
marked black stone is inside my territory for no reason.
i dont care how you twari analysis this, it is like passing one move on critical stage and giving me a point and endgame which was his right. marked stone in the middle can not be bigger than corner.

now i want to talk about other persepective.
often in professional game they have to play a move that is an overplay because it will lose the merit of one move.
before analizing the good and bad..all you need is a merit analysis.
because you played that move prior there is no other choice but to playout the sequence even it means that you are playing the losing sequence.

every move you make should have meaning and purpose.
if the stone you played loses it's merit then you will lose.
if you think about that concept then you will get stronger.
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[go]$$Bcm121 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . B O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . , O O . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . . X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . B |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O 6 O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #203 Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 7:58 am 
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[go]$$Bcm121 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . , O O . |
$$ | X O X . . . . 7 O . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . . X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Well, that's the important stone I think. I was worried about:

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[go]$$Bcm121 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . 8 . , . . . . . , O O . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O X . . . 7 . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . . X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I found it hard to find a good variation that I could read for Black, so I'm going to stop that stone from escaping if I can. Let's see how many points I can pick up from all this.

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Post #204 Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 8:26 am 
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[go]$$Bcm121 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . , O O . |
$$ | X O X . . . . X O . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . 8 X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
probe..
if he atari my two stone i might give him everything..
if i dont get the flow into my hand he may make a comeback..

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Post #205 Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 9:01 am 
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Post #206 Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 9:38 am 
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[go]$$Bcm129 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . , O O . |
$$ | X O X . . . . X O . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X 1 . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . O X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


:shock:

He's cracking, or bluffing, or I've misread. Just when I thought the stakes might drop, they've gone waaaaaay up again. The center is transforming, and I'm getting everything I want there. We're talking about the exchanges of 10-15 points in gote being huge, and here he's threating to take about 12 points in 2 gote moves. I might take 30 in the middle if I'm lucky.

My gut feeling is "have 'em", but first, I want to think about:

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[go]$$Bcm129 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . , O O . |
$$ | X O X . . . . X O . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X 1 . 2 X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . 3 . . . . . O X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Does :b29: earn me enough? If White ignores it, he's got free kikashi. If I don't, does this hurt?

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[go]$$Bcm127 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . , O O . |
$$ | X O X . . . . X O . . . 7 . . O X X O |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . 6 X . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . . . . 5 4 2 X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Or, is this sente enough that he gets to fix the remaining aji here in sente?


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[go]$$Bcm127 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . , O O . |
$$ | X O X . . . . X O . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X 4 . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . 2 X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm getting excited. This game is blowing wide open.

Also, after my move, I get Mr awesome followups:

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[go]$$Bcm129 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O 8 . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O 7 . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O 3 . . . . , . . . . . , O O . |
$$ | X O C 4 5 . . X O . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O C 6 . . 9 . . . . . X . 2 . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . 1 . . . . . O X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The o8 move I think is key for both of us, so I'm probably going to play it first. But still, wooooo, more action!


EDIT

Ok, I posted it. If he ignores, I get the following later:

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[go]$$Bcm129 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . 3 O O . |
$$ | X O X . . . . X O . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X 1 . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . O X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . a O b O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm still gettin' me some points, and "a" and "b" are left too. My move _must_ be sente (ha ha ha, how can I say that after the last 20 moves)...

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Post #207 Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 9:54 am 
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[go]$$Bcm129 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . 2 . , O O . |
$$ | X O X . . . . X O . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X X . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . O X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



trying to get points by drawing boundary is usually wrong.
i am willing to give him 20 + points for black in the middle.
if he gives me about 5 points on my side and sente.

i am goind to push push and minimize his middle and play big move with my sente.
that is my plan..

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Post #208 Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 10:06 am 
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[go]$$Bcm131 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . 1 O . , O O . |
$$ | X O X . . . . X O . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X X . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . O X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I figure this is forced. It makes that cut a bit slow and small (he gets good squeezy), but it helps keep those two stones above tengen dead

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[go]$$Bcm131 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . X . . . 8 . 6 4 . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . 1 O 5 3 O O . |
$$ | X O X . . . . X O . . . . . 7 O X X O |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X X . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . O X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


See, that's kinda annoying. This game is crazy.

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Post #209 Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 10:12 am 
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[go]$$Bcm131 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . X O . , O O . |
$$ | X O X . . . . X O . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O X . . . . 2 . . . . X X . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . O X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



i briefly thought about below..risky and unnecessary.
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[go]$$Bcm131 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X 6 . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . X . . 4 2 3 7 . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . X O 5 , O O . |
$$ | X O X . . . . X O . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X X . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . O X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i certainly can not let him have everything..

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Post #210 Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 10:27 am 
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[go]$$Bcm131 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . 3 . , . . X O . , O O . |
$$ | X O X . . . . X O . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O X . . . . 2 . . . . X X . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . O X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


That's very frustrating. I can't stop him connecting. If I swallowed the whole middle I'm a long way ahead. I guess that was a tad optimistic :P

So, he has to connect, then I do some reviving:

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[go]$$Bcm133 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O 8 . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O 7 . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O 3 . . X . 9 . . X O . , O O . |
$$ | X O C 4 5 . . X O . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O C 6 . . . O 2 1 . . X X . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . O . . . . O X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #211 Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 10:36 am 
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[go]$$Bcm131 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . X . , . . X O . , O O . |
$$ | X O X . . . . X O . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O X . . . . O . . . . X X . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . 4 . . . . O X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #212 Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 10:51 am 
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To observers:
In the last 4 moves, black just squandered a big opportunity around G8. Now the aji of the C8/C9 stones is gone ( as are the stones themselves ) and black's play at N12 and N8 are almost useless.
Now it starts looking like white wins it.

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Post #213 Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 11:28 am 
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[go]$$Bcm131 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . X . , . . X O . , O O . |
$$ | X O X . . . . X O . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O X . . . . O . . . . X X . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . O . . . . O X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . 5 . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This peep is better than the other one. The other one sucked. This one helps my bottom group and threatens:

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[go]$$Bcm135 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . X . , . . X O . , O O . |
$$ | X O X . . 7 . X O . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O X . . . 3 O 6 . . . X X . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O 4 5 O . . . . O X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . 1 . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


So, after he responds, then I'll take my sente, and decide which move I want:

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[go]$$Bcm135 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . g . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . f . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . h . . . |
$$ | X . X O 8 . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O 7 . . X . . . . c . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O 3 . . X . e . . X O . d O O . |
$$ | X O C 4 5 . . X O . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O C 6 . . 2 O . . . . X X . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . O . . . . O X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . 1 . . . . . b O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . a . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Magicwand reduced well. I think I had no choice. The alternative:

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[go]$$Bcm131 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . 4 . , . . . . . , O O . |
$$ | X O X . . . . X O . . . 3 . . O X X O |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X 2 . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . 1 . . . . . O X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Is an instant 12+ point loss on the right, with uncertain gain in the middle. Ok, this might turn out better, but it may be a lot worse too.

Recently, I couldn't crosscut:

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[go]$$Bcm131 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . 4 6 , . . X O . , O O . |
$$ | X O X . . . 5 X O . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O X . . . . O 3 . . . X X . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . O X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #214 Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 11:30 am 
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[go]$$Bcm131 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . X . , . . X O . , O O . |
$$ | X O X . . . . X O . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O X . . . 6 O . . . . X X . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . O . . . . O X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



easy choice for me

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Post #215 Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 11:36 am 
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[go]$$Bcm131 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O 7 . . X . , . . X O . , O O . |
$$ | X O X 8 9 . . X O . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O X . . . O O . . . . X X . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . O . . . . O X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Let me know if you disagree :)

I'm not playing the single atari after this. It's tiny. I'm going after one of the following:

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[go]$$Bcm131 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . c . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O 7 . . X . d . . X O . a O O . |
$$ | X O X 8 9 . . X O . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O X . . . 6 O . . . . X X . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . O . . . . O X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X . . . . . b O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I wish I knew what the score was, but I think I'm doing ok - it's very very close.

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Post #216 Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 11:40 am 
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Heeeey, I've moved "d", and "e" is better than the atari. I've got some interesting options to choose from here. I'm going to start allocating some points to them I think (although my current favourite is "b")

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[go]$$Bcm131 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . c . . . |
$$ | X . X O e . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X . . X . . . . X O . a O O . |
$$ | X O . O X . . X O . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O . O . . O O . d . . X X . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . O . . . . O X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X . . . . . b O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #217 Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 11:47 am 
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[go]$$Bcm131 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X . . X . , . . X O . , O O . |
$$ | X O . O X . . X O . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O . 0 . . O O . . . . X X . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . O . . . . O X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


now i have to find a sequence that will simplify the board.
here are some point of intrests...
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[go]$$Bcm141 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . b . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . c . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O a . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X . . X . , . f X O . , O O . |
$$ | X O . O X . . X O . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O . O . . O O . . . . X X . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . O . . . . O X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . e . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . d X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #218 Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 11:53 am 
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[go]$$Bcm141 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . 3 1 2 . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X . . X . , . . X O . , O O . |
$$ | X O . O X . . X O . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O . O . . O O . . . . X X . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . O . . . . O X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


sente, then the big middle:

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[go]$$Bcm143 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . 1 X O . 6 . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . 2 O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O 4 3 O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . 5 X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X . . X . , . . X O . , O O . |
$$ | X O . O X . . X O 9 . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O . O . . O O 8 7 . . X X . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . O . . . . O X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #219 Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 12:05 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm141 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . X X O . 4 . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X . . X . , . . X O . , O O . |
$$ | X O . O X . . X O . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O . O . . O O . . . . X X . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . O . . . . O X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


what if he played as below???
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[go]$$Bcm141 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . 3 2 1 . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X . . X . , . . X O . , O O . |
$$ | X O . O X . . X O . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O . O . . O O . . . . X X . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . O . . . . O X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #220 Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 1:10 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm141 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . X X O . O . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X . . X . , . . X O . , O O . |
$$ | X O . O X . . X O . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O . O . . O O . 5 . . X X . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . O . . . . O X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This one comes above the lower right, as White can take tengen in sente. So, this one feels like 6+ points in reverse sente or something. I then connect upwards and the exchange he made at O10+N10 becomes useful for me. I'm positive this game is really, really close, even with the komi.

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